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General Interest => In The News => Topic started by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 05:32:17 AM

Title: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 05:32:17 AM
Mueller Report.

11 am.

Let the chips fall where they may....
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 09:07:00 AM
Here comes the ▇▇▇▇▇   ▇▇▇▇▇ !

Barr spin begins at 9:30am.. and I have work to do today  :(
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 09:12:20 AM
Mueller Report.

11 am.

Let the chips fall where they may....
What chips?
There were no criminal indictments.
End of this sad story.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 09:28:06 AM
What chips?
There were no criminal indictments.
End of this sad story.

"No Criminal Indictments"  ???

NO CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS  ???

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Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
What chips?
There were no criminal indictments.
End of this sad story.

We still have the "spying" thing Barr mentioned.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 09:51:06 AM
"No Criminal Indictments"  ???

NO CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS  ???


None related to Trump.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 09:58:41 AM
"No Criminal Indictments"  ???

NO CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS  ???

(https://www.politico.com/interactives/uploads/image-service/2019/01/share_copy.jpg)
Keep trying Pepsi...
Regarding collusion and obstruction.

The president did not evoke executive privilege
on any part of the report.

Looks like I was correct Pepsi.

"absolutely nothing will be found.
there is nothing to be found."
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 18, 2019, 10:01:59 AM
Here comes the ▇▇▇▇▇   ▇▇▇▇▇ !

Barr spin begins at 9:30am.. and I have work to do today  :(

The words in the report say what they say. The only "spin" will be from the Libby haters like you.

I know the only reason why you want this dog and pony show to be true is because you hate President Trump. But, doesn't it bother you that those people who work for us and we are supposed to trust did illegally try to oust the President?? It should. And if it doesn't then you are a traitor along with those who tried.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 11:19:25 AM
None related to Trump.

So Trump's campaign manager, Trump's National Security Adviser, Trump's personal lawyer and Trump's long time political adviser's indictment's have nothing to do with Trump

  ::)   ::)   ::)
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
So Trump's campaign manager, Trump's National Security Adviser, Trump's personal lawyer and Trump's long time political adviser's indictment's have nothing to do with Trump

  ::)   ::)   ::)

Check for yourself.

Here's the download link:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf)
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 02:00:28 PM
Check for yourself.

Here's the download link:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf)

I don't have to read the Mueller report to say what you said is incorrect.  You said no indictments "related to Trump".   My correction to your statement is that it is already well known that Trump's campaign manager, Trump's National Security Adviser, Trump's personal lawyer and Trump's long time political adviser have all been indicted as part of the Mueller investigation.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 02:19:39 PM
it's a sad day in America when the Attorney General is a liar for the President

Barr this morning: Trump "fully cooperated" with the investigation

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Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 02:46:05 PM
it's a sad day in America when the Attorney General is a liar for the President

Barr this morning: Trump "fully cooperated" with the investigation
Mueller did not even need Trump to testify
to come to his no collusion at all and not
enough evidence for a criminal indictment
for obstruction
, conclusion.

Trumps lawyers talked to Mueller for 30 hours.
The White House gave Mueller over 1.4 million
pages of records.

It's over Pepsi. Time to concede.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 03:35:40 PM


It ain't over by a long shot.. there are 14 separate criminal investigations Mueller referred to other jurisdictions.

The Special Counsel's Office made 14 referrals of evidence of potential criminal activity to outside offices. Only two are publicly known at this point.

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Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 03:59:29 PM
Trump's press secretary Huckabee lied to the public about why Comey was fired

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Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
Red underline: What Barr said in his memo

Blue and yellow: what he omitted

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Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 04:46:33 PM
It's over Peps.

It really is.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 04:51:41 PM
Trump's press secretary Huckabee lied to the public about why Comey was fired

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Pepsi.
Press secretary did not lie.
She simply heard those comments about
Comey from the MSM anonymous sources.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 04:55:07 PM
Red underline: What Barr said in his memo

Blue and yellow: what he omitted

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4cxy1XXsAE0nz_?format=jpg)

Isn't that what Mueller said when he indicted the Russians?

Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 18, 2019, 05:16:48 PM
Pepsi.
Press secretary did not lie.
She simply heard those comments about
Comey from the MSM anonymous sources.

"Sanders acknowledged to investigators that her comments were not founded anything"
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 18, 2019, 07:01:46 PM
"Sanders acknowledged to investigators that her comments were not founded anything"

Propaganda.

That's what they all do.

No crime there.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 18, 2019, 07:10:24 PM
Red underline: What Barr said in his memo

Blue and yellow: what he omitted

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4cxy1XXsAE0nz_?format=jpg)

What was I saying about spin??

It's over, Pepsi!! Get over it!! Move on!!
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 08:15:25 PM
stu·pid
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adjective
1.
having or showing a great lack of intelligence or common sense.
synonyms:   unintelligent, ignorant, dense, brainless, mindless, foolish, dull-witted, dull, slow-witted, witless, slow, dunce-like, simpleminded, empty-headed, vacuous, vapid, halfwitted, idiotic, moronic, imbecilic, imbecile, obtuse, doltish;

2.
SEE ALSO:
Rep. Adam B. Schiff democrat.


‘Undoubtedly there is collusion’: Trump antagonist Adam Schiff doubles down after Mueller finds no conspiracy

President Trump, emboldened by a summary of the special counsel’s findings, has an early target as he seeks recompense from his critics: Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.), who maintains he has seen evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

Over the past two years, Schiff, who now chairs the House Intelligence Committee, has emerged as a public foil to Trump and his supporters. He has delivered scathing takedowns of Trump for calling Robert S. Mueller III’s probe a “witch hunt,” and he offered similar criticism of Trump’s congressional allies now leading a charge to depose Schiff as chairman on the grounds that his bias against the president makes him unfit to lead.

“Undoubtedly there is collusion,” Schiff said in an interview this week, after Attorney General William P. Barr submitted a four-page letter to Congress summarizing key aspects of Mueller’s report. “We will continue to investigate the counterintelligence issues. That is, is the president or people around him compromised in any way by a hostile foreign power? . . . It doesn’t appear that was any part of Mueller’s report.”

Barr’s summary of Mueller’s report indicates the special counsel did not establish a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to sway the 2016 election. It offers no conclusion on whether the president sought to obstruct justice during the Russia probe.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/undoubtedly-there-is-collusion-trump-antagonist-adam-schiff-doubles-down-after-mueller-finds-no-conspiracy/2019/03/26/e972d9e8-4fdd-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5e2e318d8bd7 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/undoubtedly-there-is-collusion-trump-antagonist-adam-schiff-doubles-down-after-mueller-finds-no-conspiracy/2019/03/26/e972d9e8-4fdd-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5e2e318d8bd7)


Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 18, 2019, 09:15:25 PM
Red underline: What Barr said in his memo

Blue and yellow: what he omitted

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4cxy1XXsAE0nz_?format=jpg)

 :o
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 18, 2019, 09:19:00 PM
There is plenty of stuff in the report to justify an impeachment, and way more than enough to avoid electing the same asshole a second time,
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 09:33:48 PM
This is for all liberals, democrats and
Trump haters across this great country
who may be disillusioned, disappointed,
or discouraged by Mueller’s report.

There were no criminal indictments for
collusion or obstruction of justice against
Trump or anyone in his administration.

It will be o.k. for you liberals to "howl" at the
moon to vent your frustrations and relieve
your anger.

However, if you have more serious and dangerous
thoughts of  hopelessness , there is help for you.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals.

1-800-273-8255

Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 18, 2019, 09:53:02 PM
This is for all liberals, democrats and
Trump haters across this great country
who may be disillusioned, disappointed,
or discouraged by Mueller’s report.

There were no criminal indictments for
collusion or obstruction of justice against
Trump or anyone in his administration.

It will be o.k. for you liberals to "howl" at the
moon to vent your frustrations and relieve
your anger.

However, if you have more serious and dangerous
thoughts of  hopelessness , there is help for you.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline
We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals.

1-800-273-8255

Mueller was never going to criminally indict Trump no matter what.  There still is plenty of stuff to justify an impeachment and way more than enough to avoid electing the same asshole a second time.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 18, 2019, 10:23:17 PM
There is plenty of stuff in the report to justify an impeachment, and way more than enough to avoid electing the same asshole a second time,

No there isn't. You're delusional. Trump is going to fair better in the next election than he did in the last, because of this report and the behavior of Democrats.

Of course you guys weren't able to comprehend the information available during the last presidential campaign and thought Clinton was going to win. Bernie isn't going to win against Trump either. Just as many Democrats that ran from Clinton are going to run from Sanders as well. And those positively effected by Trump's policies, which there are many, are going to vote for his this time around too.

Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 18, 2019, 10:30:41 PM
Mueller was never going to criminally indict Trump no matter what.  There still is plenty of stuff to justify an impeachment and way more than enough to avoid electing the same asshole a second time.

So previously... When you guys said Mueller was going to hand down indictments for Trump.... What did they mean by this? And when they said there was all this evidence.... Where is that again?

There will be no impeachment.. Trump will win the next presidential election. These are facts you should resign yourself to now, just for the sake of your own mental wellness.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 10:33:59 PM
Mueller was never going to criminally indict Trump no matter what.  There still is plenty of stuff to justify an impeachment and way more than enough to avoid electing the same asshole a second time.
No criminal indictments because there were
no crimes. It is all political now. If they do
impeach, the democrats will not succeed.

I'm interested in the IGg's report coming out
in the next couple of months and Barr's  pending
investigation of the origin of the Russian collusion
witch hunt.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 18, 2019, 10:35:42 PM
No there isn't. You're delusional. Trump is going to fair better in the next election than he did in the last, because of this report and the behavior of Democrats.

Of course you guys weren't able to comprehend the information available during the last presidential campaign and thought Clinton was going to win. Bernie isn't going to win against Trump either. Just as many Democrats that ran from Clinton are going to run from Sanders as well. And those positively effected by Trump's policies, which there are many, are going to vote for his this time around too.

You mean "fare"?  Only the 39% illiterate Trump cultists are going to vote for him again.  Great tax cut Trump.  I went from getting a refund of a few thousand $s to paying about $1000.

He is an immoral POS who is still under criminal investigation, and there is arguably enough in Mueller's report itself to indict him as soon as he leaves office.  What other conclusion can be drawn, except that the Trump cultists who idolize him must be immoral as well?
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 18, 2019, 10:38:40 PM
So previously... When you guys said Mueller was going to hand down indictments for Trump.... What did they mean by this? And when they said there was all this evidence.... Where is that again?

There will be no impeachment.. Trump will win the next presidential election. These are facts you should resign yourself to now, just for the sake of your own mental wellness.

You guys?  I have no idea what "they" meant, except that we didn't know until just now that Mueller would not try to buck the current Justice Dept. policy.

I agree there will be no impeachment.  But there will be an election.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 18, 2019, 10:39:38 PM
So previously... When you guys said Mueller was going to hand down indictments for Trump.... What did they mean by this? And when they said there was all this evidence.... Where is that again?

There will be no impeachment.. Trump will win the next presidential election. These are facts you should resign yourself to now, just for the sake of your own mental wellness.

The evidence is in the report.  All you have to do is take a look.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 18, 2019, 10:41:01 PM
No criminal indictments because there were
no crimes. It is all political now. If they do
impeach, the democrats will not succeed.

I'm interested in the IGg's report coming out
in the next couple of months and Barr's  pending
investigation of the origin of the Russian collusion
witch hunt.

No, numb nuts.  Mueller accepted the Justice Dept. policy that a sitting President cannot be indicted.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 18, 2019, 10:49:40 PM
No, numb nuts.  Mueller accepted the Justice Dept. policy that a sitting President cannot be indicted.
Your name calling is displaying your
desperation and frustration.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 18, 2019, 10:52:05 PM
You mean "fare"?  Only the 39% illiterate Trump cultists are going to vote for him again.  Great tax cut Trump.  I went from getting a refund of a few thousand $s to paying about $1000.

He is an immoral POS who is still under criminal investigation, and there is arguably enough in Mueller's report itself to indict him as soon as he leaves office.  What other conclusion can be drawn, except that the Trump cultists who idolize him must be immoral as well?

WOW.... You get a refund? Hmmm.... You must have decided to pay less in taxes throughout the year, which guarantees a larger return for working class folk, and opted to have a higher check each payment cycle. Did you really not understand how that works? It's up to you to decide how much you pay each cycle, to determine how much of a refund you get.

Blah, Blah, Blah... No one buys the bullshit investigations. Cultists... You're delusional cupcake. He isn't going to be impeached and will win a second term. Take that to the bank. Get yourself mentally prepared from a major shift in US politics. Big changes are coming in round two.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 18, 2019, 10:57:49 PM
The evidence is in the report.  All you have to do is take a look.


Evidence of Democrat collusion and a waste of millions of dollars... Good job team.  ::)
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 19, 2019, 04:38:28 AM
There is plenty of stuff in the report to justify an impeachment, and way more than enough to avoid electing the same asshole a second time,

List them here.

I double-dare you!
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 19, 2019, 04:40:03 AM
  I went from getting a refund of a few thousand $s to paying about $1000.


What is that I smell?

Someone's pants are on fire...
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 19, 2019, 08:45:24 AM
No there isn't. You're delusional. Trump is going to fair better in the next election than he did in the last, because of this report and the behavior of Democrats.

I don't see a report about how Russia helped Trump win the last presidential election and how Trump and his team lied and desperately tried to obstruct investigations into it helps Trump win a 2nd term.    Please explain.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 19, 2019, 08:47:24 AM
No criminal indictments because there were
no crimes.

When are you going to stop lying?  6 Trump officials, including those closed to Trump, were indicted.

(https://www.politico.com/interactives/uploads/image-service/2019/01/share_copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 19, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
List them here.

I double-dare you!

Mueller already did that for you.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 19, 2019, 10:25:16 AM
What is that I smell?

Someone's pants are on fire...

I truly wish..,
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 19, 2019, 10:26:58 AM
When are you going to stop lying?  6 Trump officials, including those closed to Trump, were indicted.

(https://www.politico.com/interactives/uploads/image-service/2019/01/share_copy.jpg)

Might as well ask when Trump is going to stop lying.  He disgusts me, and so do his minions.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 19, 2019, 01:17:36 PM
When are you going to stop lying?  6 Trump officials, including those closed to Trump, were indicted.

You must like playing the part of
a retarded liberal, pepsi.

You should know exactly what we have
been saying and meaning. Russian collusion
and obstruction of justice.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 19, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
Mueller already did that for you.

Ok then, Mr. Know-it-all give us a recap.

My bet is you will weasel out.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 19, 2019, 01:47:02 PM
STILL WAITING PEPSI

Oh wait....Mueller’s report is out and
no charges at all against Trump.

absolutely nothing will be found.

there is nothing to be found.

will be waiting for all the charges against Trump, pepsi.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 19, 2019, 02:15:37 PM
Ok then, Mr. Know-it-all give us a recap.

My bet is you will weasel out.

No dufus, it’s right there for you, the same as it is for me and everyone else!
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 19, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
No dufus, it’s right there for you, the same as it is for me and everyone else!

That’s not what I asked. Seeing you are not willing to cooperate, tells me you got nothing.

Now then, either list Trump’s impeachable offenses or admit the truth!
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 19, 2019, 02:51:06 PM
STILL WAITING PEPSI

Oh wait....Mueller’s report is out and
no charges at all against Trump.

Like I said, they will spin anything they can. They know there’s nothing, but they won’t willingly admit it. It’s called pitiful desperation.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 19, 2019, 03:42:07 PM
I don't see a report about how Russia helped Trump win the last presidential election and how Trump and his team lied and desperately tried to obstruct investigations into it helps Trump win a 2nd term.    Please explain.

You're trying to twist reality to fit your narrative, which is the common MO. The report didn't find any collusion between the campaign and Russia to help Trump win the election. Whether or not another country made a ridiculous attempt at advertising on facebook and hacking DNC servers, because they had poor security protocols, makes no difference in this investigation.

The fact that Mueller set perjury traps and some of the team walked in to them, Doesn't surprise me at all. The best attorney's are skilled in these techniques.

All of other indictments that were handed down to Trump campaign associates were for actions before the campaign.

The media and Democrats guaranteed the public evidence of collusion. There is none. The entire narrative is a lie. And instead of accepting reality, you're lying to yourself even more, by building yet another false narrative.

Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 19, 2019, 03:45:04 PM
When are you going to stop lying?  6 Trump officials, including those closed to Trump, were indicted.

(https://www.politico.com/interactives/uploads/image-service/2019/01/share_copy.jpg)

Were these officials indicted for Collusion during the Trump campaign?
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 19, 2019, 03:48:33 PM
That’s not what I asked. Seeing you are not willing to cooperate, tells me you got nothing.

Now then, either list Trump’s impeachable offenses or admit the truth!

He's waiting for his argument to be formulated for him by the media and top Democrats. Of course they don't have any argument either.... Well other than "Nah Uh  :'("
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Katsrdelicious on April 19, 2019, 06:23:19 PM
desperately tried to obstruct investigations
How many times did Trump hide behind Executive Privilege? If his intent was to obstruct, then why do you suppose he never made the claim?
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 19, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
That’s not what I asked. Seeing you are not willing to cooperate, tells me you got nothing.

Now then, either list Trump’s impeachable offenses or admit the truth!

Indeed, I don’t have anything.  Mueller does, and now so does Congress.

Why would I waste my time “recapping” for you what you can readily find for yourself?  I encourage you to go read the report for yourself.  Everyone should.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 19, 2019, 07:32:17 PM
I don't see a report about how Russia helped Trump win the last presidential election and how Trump and his team lied and desperately tried to obstruct investigations   (a witch hunt) into it helps Trump win a 2nd term.    Please explain.

It could very easily become a repeat of what happened in 2016. The liberal media couldn't stop itself from attacking Trump every chance they got, and it backfired. People got sick of the attacks and saw Trump as being unfairly attacked. Now, with Mueller showing there was no collusion, it looks as if the liberal media is having another bogus meltdown.

That could very easily work in Trump's favor. It did once before.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 19, 2019, 08:45:21 PM
Indeed, I don’t have anything.  Mueller does, and now so does Congress.

Why would I waste my time “recapping” for you what you can readily find for yourself?  I encourage you to go read the report for yourself.  Everyone should.

Because you're the one trying to make the argument....  ::)

Which you've failed to do.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 19, 2019, 08:51:00 PM
It could very easily become a repeat of what happened in 2016. The liberal media couldn't stop itself from attacking Trump every chance they got, and it backfired. People got sick of the attacks and saw Trump as being unfairly attacked. Now, with Mueller showing there was no collusion, it looks as if the liberal media is having another bogus meltdown.

That could very easily work in Trump's favor. It did once before.

It's going to be great when Trump appoints the replacement for Ruth Vader Iceburg.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 19, 2019, 08:58:03 PM
Because you're the one trying to make the argument....  ::)

Which you've failed to do.

My argument is that there is plenty in the Mueller report to justify an impeachment, and certainly enough that anyone ought to vote for someone else in the next election.  Just that simple.  If you disagree, you are free to give the reasons and we can discuss that.

I don’t know how much time you think I’m willing to spend here, but I am certainly not going to “recap” the report for you.

If you’d like to read the report, I might be willing to discuss it, but not sure I’ll spend the time to do that.  Think that’s a cop out?  It doesn’t matter to me in the least.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 19, 2019, 09:09:18 PM
NEWSRAKE NEWS ALERT!

Has anyone seen or heard from hillary
and/or barry on the Mueller report?

Could it be they are in hiding,
fearing the truth might come out
about their involvement in the failed
justice department coup?
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 20, 2019, 04:05:42 AM
My argument is that there is plenty in the Mueller report to justify an impeachment, and certainly enough that anyone ought to vote for someone else in the next election.  Just that simple.  If you disagree, you are free to give the reasons and we can discuss that.

I don’t know how much time you think I’m willing to spend here, but I am certainly not going to “recap” the report for you.

If you’d like to read the report, I might be willing to discuss it, but not sure I’ll spend the time to do that.  Think that’s a cop out?  It doesn’t matter to me in the least.

Alright, You make the claim there is "plenty in the Muller report to justify an impeachment". I'm not asking for a recap. I've read the report. If there is "plenty" "to justify impeachment", name two. Not an entire recap, Just two things that justify impeachment.

Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 20, 2019, 07:51:48 AM
Alright, You make the claim there is "plenty in the Muller report to justify an impeachment". I'm not asking for a recap. I've read the report. If there is "plenty" "to justify impeachment", name two. Not an entire recap, Just two things that justify impeachment.

There's nothing. That's why SC is side stepping instead of showing the proof. The Libby haters just want to make you think there is something. Or maybe, like the "Russian Collusion", they just are still hoping there is something. They just keep on beating on that poor dead horse.

If President Trump had done anything, even the tiniest of an impeachable offense, he would not still be in the Whitehouse.  They know that as well as we do.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 20, 2019, 07:55:25 AM
My argument is that there is plenty in the Mueller report to justify an impeachment, and certainly enough that anyone ought to vote for someone else in the next election.  Just that simple.  If you disagree, you are free to give the reasons and we can discuss that.

I don’t know how much time you think I’m willing to spend here, but I am certainly not going to “recap” the report for you.

If you’d like to read the report, I might be willing to discuss it, but not sure I’ll spend the time to do that.  Think that’s a cop out?  It doesn’t matter to me in the least.

A sitting President can only be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors" and when I perused the report I found none. That's why I asked you to list the ones you thought fit that criteria, but, to date, you have deflected.

We have strict rules on impeachment -- so I'd really like to know what you feel (in the report) rises to an impeachable offense.

Please share your thoughts.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 20, 2019, 07:58:50 AM
There's nothing. That's why SC is side stepping instead of showing the proof. The Libby haters just want to make you think there is something. Or maybe, like the "Russian Collusion", they just are still hoping there is something. They just keep on beating on that poor dead horse.

If President Trump had done anything, even the tiniest of an impeachable offense, he would not still be in the Whitehouse.  They know that as well as we do.

I think this is correct. Right now, we're just hearing a lot of noise from the usual subjects -- Fauxcohontas (Warren), Shiff the Idiot, and a couple other no-names. Social media is awash in disgruntled liberals, but perhaps they should look to their own -- the ones who started the witch hunt in the first place -- to direct their angst.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 20, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
Were these officials indicted for Collusion during the Trump campaign?

There is no such law defined as "collusion", so no, since that would be impossible.   
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 20, 2019, 10:35:14 AM
If President Trump had done anything, even the tiniest of an impeachable offense, he would not still be in the Whitehouse.  They know that as well as we do.

This is the stupidest thing I have read today.

I think this is correct.

This is the stupidest thing I have read today.

There are only a couple of constitutional ways to remove a sitting president from the White House, the main one being Impeachment, which requires conviction in the House and Senate, which is controlled by Republicans, who have only shown willingness to defend and deflect this president, no matter what the transgression.     Today's Republicans are controlled by Trump, because the base of the republican party are Trump's deplorables, like those defending and deflecting Trump's transgressions here on our forum.   
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Pepsi on April 20, 2019, 10:36:45 AM
NEWSRAKE NEWS ALERT!

Has anyone seen or heard from hillary
and/or barry on the Mueller report?

Could it be they are in hiding,
fearing the truth might come out
about their involvement in the failed
justice department coup?

Lol.. a suspect you're into "QAnon"
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 20, 2019, 11:43:06 AM
Today's Republicans are controlled by Trump, because the base of the republican party are Trump's deplorables, like those defending and deflecting Trump's transgressions here on our forum.   

No Pepsi, the above comment is the stupidest thing we have read today.

Because we have faith in the President we duly elected, you believe we are “controlled”?? Really??

What “transgressions” are you referring to?? Please name them.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 20, 2019, 12:34:31 PM
There is no such law defined as "collusion", so no, since that would be impossible.

I'll rephrase the question, Did the report find that any of them colluded with Russia during the 2016 election to commit voter fraud?

Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: TheFederalist on April 20, 2019, 12:38:38 PM
This is the stupidest thing I have read today.

This is the stupidest thing I have read today.

There are only a couple of constitutional ways to remove a sitting president from the White House, the main one being Impeachment, which requires conviction in the House and Senate, which is controlled by Republicans, who have only shown willingness to defend and deflect this president, no matter what the transgression.     Today's Republicans are controlled by Trump, because the base of the republican party are Trump's deplorables, like those defending and deflecting Trump's transgressions here on our forum.   

During the Clinton administration, Republicans voted and impeached Clinton, in the house. The Democrats could do that now. They have control of the house. At the very least they could give the appearance that they tried to impeach him. So if Trump committed any crime, Why aren't they voting for impeachment in the house? I have no doubt the senate would block the impeachment attempt, just as the senate did during the Clinton administration.

Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 20, 2019, 05:52:15 PM
This is the stupidest thing I have read today.

This is the stupidest thing I have read today.

Wait a sec.  You just said Holly's was. Now, mine is? Make up your mind already.

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There are only a couple of constitutional ways to remove a sitting president from the White House, the main one being Impeachment, which requires conviction in the House and Senate, which is controlled by Republicans, who have only shown willingness to defend and deflect this president, no matter what the transgression.     Today's Republicans are controlled by Trump, because the base of the republican party are Trump's deplorables, like those defending and deflecting Trump's transgressions here on our forum.   

None of that matters -- you need high crimes and misdemeanors to impeach. And even then, impeachment is no guarantee you'll get rid of a president.

Outside of Trump's mouth and questionable sexual morals -- the dems have nothing on him.

Past presidents -- and candidates -- have been much more involved with other nations. Trump didn't collude -- no crime.

Go home.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Katsrdelicious on April 20, 2019, 08:37:16 PM
I've not seen it mentioned anywhere but I wonder how much of this is desperation because of the Ginsberg uncertainty?
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 20, 2019, 08:42:38 PM
I've not seen it mentioned anywhere but I wonder how much of this is desperation because of the Ginsberg uncertainty?
Great question Kats.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 20, 2019, 08:47:38 PM
Lol.. a suspect you're into "QAnon"
It is very obvious that there were many
players inside and outside of the justice
department that did in fact try to disrupt
and get rid of Trump.

I am patiently waiting for the AG's report
and Barr's investigation into the actual
origins of the fisa warrant.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Calypso Jones on April 20, 2019, 10:27:13 PM
I've not seen it mentioned anywhere but I wonder how much of this is desperation because of the Ginsberg uncertainty?

that IS a good question.  LOLOL    No wonder they want to impeach him....this president has the opportunity to make some vast changes that will affect democrats for years.....and no wonder they're foaming at the mouth looney tunes. 
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: PMF2 on April 21, 2019, 07:58:30 AM
that IS a good question.  LOLOL    No wonder they want to impeach him....this president has the opportunity to make some vast changes that will affect democrats for years.....and no wonder they're foaming at the mouth looney tunes.

That's probably a big part of it -- but if they impeach Trump -- they get Pence, and no doubt he'd opt for a very conservative replacement for Ginsberg.

But the thing is -- they don't have anything to impeach him on. The Mueller report cleared him of any criminal collusion, and while he may have obstructed -- 1) He obstructed a witch hunt. 2) He didn't obstruct to nearly the level the former president obstructed to keep Eric Holder off the hot seat.

The dems are making a lot of noise -- what's new?  But, they're still playing with smoke and mirrors and, as Chomsky recently said, they're going to lose any chance they have at the election if they don't change paths.

It's been interesting watching them self-destruct, but, good gawd, what are they thinking?
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 21, 2019, 08:02:18 PM
Alright, You make the claim there is "plenty in the Muller report to justify an impeachment". I'm not asking for a recap. I've read the report. If there is "plenty" "to justify impeachment", name two. Not an entire recap, Just two things that justify impeachment.

Trump asked the director of the FBI to drop the investigation into Flynn.

Trump asked Dan Coats to intervene with Comey and stop the investigation.

Trump asked NSA Director Michael Rogers if he could do anything to refute the stories linking Trump to Russia.

Trump fired Comey, without giving him an opportunity to resign, banned him from the FBI building, and publicly criticized him to discredit him.  He followed the termination with statements that were highly critical of the investigation.

Trump said he wanted an AG who would "protect" him.

Trump constantly tried to discredit the Special Counsel, saying he had conflicts of interest, and tried to undermine the investigation as a witch hunt.  He tried to have Mueller removed.  He even said that the appointment of a special counsel was unconstitutional.

Two days after trying to get McGahn to order Rosenstein to terminate Mueller, he tried to get Sessions, Lewandowski, and senior White House official Rick Dearborn to attack the investigation.  All either refused or simply drug their feet.  Mueller says that "the manner in which the President acted provides additional evidence of his intent".

Trump repeatedly took active steps to coordinate with his aids to hide the truth of the Trump Tower meeting, and rejected Trump Jr.'s first draft statement about the meeting that would have acknowledged that the meeting was with "an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign".

Trump repeatedly tried to get Sessions to un-recuse himself and take control of the investigation.

Trump's lawyer reached out to Flynn's lawyer and asked for a "heads up" of any information implicating the President".  When he was told that any such information could not be shared, he said he would relay the message of "hostility" to the President.

While preparing for his Congressional testimony, he had extensive discussions with Trump's personal lawyers who said Cohen should stay on message and not contradict the President.

 
In addition, he has not yet done anything to support getting to the bottom of the Russian interference in our elections or taken any steps to combat it.  He has constantly attacked the institutions and the norms that support our democracy, such as the free press.  He constantly, demonstrably, outright lies to the American people such that he has zero credibility, nor does his press secretary.  And then there is all of the lying that occurred by Trump and people around him regarding contact with the Russians.

Trump himself certainly thought he was fucked when a special counsel was appointed.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 21, 2019, 08:07:08 PM
A sitting President can only be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors" and when I perused the report I found none. That's why I asked you to list the ones you thought fit that criteria, but, to date, you have deflected.

We have strict rules on impeachment -- so I'd really like to know what you feel (in the report) rises to an impeachable offense.

Please share your thoughts.

You apparently don't know very much about the process and requirements for impeachment.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 21, 2019, 08:09:08 PM
There's nothing. That's why SC is side stepping instead of showing the proof. The Libby haters just want to make you think there is something. Or maybe, like the "Russian Collusion", they just are still hoping there is something. They just keep on beating on that poor dead horse.

If President Trump had done anything, even the tiniest of an impeachable offense, he would not still be in the Whitehouse.  They know that as well as we do.

That is really stupid.  And Federalist, of course, liked it.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 21, 2019, 08:38:50 PM
That is really stupid.  And Federalist, of course, liked it.

How is what I said, really stupid??

None of you haters can produce any impeachable offenses, not even one!! And you have the gall to say we’re stupid??
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 21, 2019, 09:36:33 PM
How is what I said, really stupid??

None of you haters can produce any impeachable offenses, not even one!! And you have the gall to say we’re stupid??

I literally just listed many of the offenses.

Why is it stupid?  Well, to begin with, Clinton was impeached and did he leave the White House?  Further, impeachable offenses (whatever that really means) are typically uncovered only by extensive investigation.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 21, 2019, 10:10:43 PM
I literally just listed many of the offenses.

Why is it stupid?  Well, to begin with, Clinton was impeached and did he leave the White House?  Further, impeachable offenses (whatever that really means) are typically uncovered only by extensive investigation.
spacey.
Of the "supposed" impeachable offenses you listed,
How many actually obstructed Mueller’s investigation?
Let me help you.
none.
no action was taken by Trump’s associates, therefore ,
no obstruction at all took place.

Trump did not evoke executive privilege.
Allowed Mueller to interview any member of
his administration.
Voluntarily turned over 1.4 million documents.
Trump’s lawyers were interviewed over 30 hours.
Trump answered written question from Mueller.

Trump did not destroy 30,000 e-mails.
Did not destroy  blackberrys with hammers
Trumps associates did not receive immunity.

Now this is real obstruction, spacey:

Three key witnesses to Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server were given immunity from prosecution in exchange for their cooperation with the FBI’s investigation this
included a side arrangement obliging the FBI to destroy their laptops after reviewing the devices.

Obama administration's Justice Department advised the FBI not to pursue the gross negligence statute for Hillary Clinton's mishandling of classified information.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 21, 2019, 10:18:39 PM
spacey.
Of the "supposed" impeachable offenses you listed,
How many actually obstructed Mueller’s investigation?
Let me help you.
none.
no action was taken by Trump’s associates, therefore ,
no obstruction at all took place.

Trump did not evoke executive privilege.
Allowed Mueller to interview any member of
his administration.
Voluntarily turned over 1.4 million documents.
Trump’s lawyers were interviewed over 30 hours.
Trump answered written question from Mueller.

Trump did not destroy 30,000 e-mails.
Did not destroy  blackberrys with hammers
Trumps associates did not receive immunity.

Now this is real obstruction, spacey:

Three key witnesses to Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server were given immunity from prosecution in exchange for their cooperation with the FBI’s investigation this
included a side arrangement obliging the FBI to destroy their laptops after reviewing the devices.

Obama administration's Justice Department advised the FBI not to pursue the gross negligence statute for Hillary Clinton's mishandling of classified information.

Obstruction doesn't have to be successful to be a crime.  And whether or not a chargeable crime occurred doesn't matter with regard to fitness for office and impeachment.  He has, from day 1, demonstrated his unfitness for the office he holds.  Ideally he would be impeached, but lacking that, he should certainly not be re-elected.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: hurricanehook on April 21, 2019, 10:30:54 PM
TRUMP 2020
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 21, 2019, 10:51:51 PM
TRUMP 2020

You'll follow him to Hell.
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 21, 2019, 10:54:26 PM
I literally just listed many of the offenses.

Where??

Why is it stupid?  Well, to begin with, Clinton was impeached and did he leave the White House?  Further, impeachable offenses (whatever that really means) are typically uncovered only by extensive investigation.

Clinton was not impeached by both the House and Senate. Only the House voted to impeach.

If you don’t know what impeachable offenses are how did you “just list” them?? Also, you don’t think that an almost two year investigation wasn’t extensive?  And at a cost to taxpayers of over $30,000,000?? Seriously??
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: SpaceCadet on April 21, 2019, 11:03:03 PM
Where??

Clinton was not impeached by both the House and Senate. Only the House voted to impeach.

If you don’t know what impeachable offenses are how did you “just list” them?? Also, you don’t think that an almost two year investigation wasn’t extensive?  And at a cost to taxpayers of over $30,000,000?? Seriously??

Not worth a response (as usual)
Title: Re: Today's the Day!
Post by: Hollybaere on April 21, 2019, 11:04:42 PM
Not worth a response (as usual)

Why?? Because you know you’re wrong?

What a way to weasel out!!