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Title: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Pepsi on January 10, 2019, 09:11:44 AM
Test of the steel prototype for the border wall showed it could be sawed through

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwjWLirXcAAq3BO.jpg)

The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations.

However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856)
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 10, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
really.   Prototype.    We need a barricade at the border to stop these criminals.   BUILD THE DAMN WALL.      Now some enterprising young illegal may bring a serious piece of equipment to break through this wall...that's where our border guards' guns come in.

I WANT THIS STOPPED. 

North American Indians Had an open borders policy and look what happened to them.  :wink:
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Pepsi on January 10, 2019, 10:29:25 AM
North American Indians Had an open borders policy and look what happened to them.  :wink:

Shit like you came in.    I'll trade 10 illegals for every Trump voter, myself.  The nation would be much better as a result, that is certain.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Mornac on January 10, 2019, 10:43:46 AM
I'll trade 10 illegals for every Trump voter, myself. 
--Hey look - Pepsi just figured out what the Democrat strategy for retaking the White House is!
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 10, 2019, 01:27:07 PM
Shit like you came in.    I'll trade 10 illegals for every Trump voter, myself.  The nation would be much better as a result, that is certain.
of course you would because you're stupid.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Pepsi on January 10, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
of course you would because you're stupid.

I had some great tacos for lunch today from a food truck.. can you make tacos or are you worthless to society?   8)
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on January 10, 2019, 02:20:01 PM
I had some great tacos for lunch today from a food truck.. can you make tacos or are you worthless to society?   8)

She is famous for sewing sheets into robes and hoods. That's the only society to which Caroline has value.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: hurricanehook on January 10, 2019, 10:06:16 PM
--Hey look - Pepsi just figured out what the Democrat strategy for retaking the White House is!
Sad but true Mornac.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 10, 2019, 11:00:43 PM
She is famous for sewing sheets into robes and hoods. That's the only society to which Caroline has value.

If the other person ends up attacking you,  then you've won the conversation.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 05:51:49 AM
Of course it can be sawed through.  A solid concrete wall can be sawed through as well, and not every foot of barrier can be policed.  It can also be tunneled under or climbed over.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 05:53:12 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/8FLYmfSD/6-B38151-B-36-E5-419-E-B989-743-C967-BB535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8FLYmfSD)
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 11, 2019, 01:41:02 PM
Of course it can be sawed through.  A solid concrete wall can be sawed through as well, and not every foot of barrier can be policed.  It can also be tunneled under or climbed over.

well anything can happen to anything......the fact of the matter is that the American people WANT a barricade AND extra security.  WE WANT A STRONG border. 
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Pepsi on January 11, 2019, 01:58:04 PM
a brief history of the wall being an urgent emergency:

January 2017 - GOP majority
January 2017 Wall not an emergency
February 2017 Wall not an emergency
March 2017 Wall not an emergency
April 2017 Wall not an emergency
May 2017 Wall not an emergency
June 2017 Wall not an emergency
July 2017 Wall not an emergency
August 2017 Wall not an emergency
September 2017 Wall not an emergency
October 2017 Wall not an emergency
November 2017 Wall not an emergency
December 2017 Wall not an emergency
January 2018 Wall not an emergency
February 2018 Wall not an emergency
March 2018 Wall not an emergency
April 2018 Wall not an emergency
May 2018 Wall not an emergency
June 2018 Wall not an emergency
July 2018 Wall not an emergency
August 2018 Wall not an emergency
September 2018 Wall not an emergency
October 2018 Wall not an emergency
November 2018 Wall not an emergency
November 2018 Democratic majority elected in House
January 2019 EMERGENCY!!
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: PMF2 on January 11, 2019, 02:37:13 PM
Test of the steel prototype for the border wall showed it could be sawed through



Sure, it can be sawed through, but it takes a long time and a lot of muscle. No barrier is 100% impenetrable, but they discourage the vast majority of wannabe trespassers, which is why we find barriers virtually everywhere people are restricted from going.

I heard recently about a laser wall that would cost a fraction of the price of a solid wall, and yet, it would identify movement far away from the actual border, giving agents a good shot at intercepting illegals. That might be the way to go.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 02:46:25 PM
well anything can happen to anything......the fact of the matter is that the American people WANT a barricade AND extra security.  WE WANT A STRONG border.

No, polls show the majority being against the wall idea.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 02:47:25 PM
Sure, it can be sawed through, but it takes a long time and a lot of muscle. No barrier is 100% impenetrable, but they discourage the vast majority of wannabe trespassers, which is why we find barriers virtually everywhere people are restricted from going.

I heard recently about a laser wall that would cost a fraction of the price of a solid wall, and yet, it would identify movement far away from the actual border, giving agents a good shot at intercepting illegals. That might be the way to go.

Yep.  I think most Dems are in favor of a more technological solution.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Pepsi on January 11, 2019, 03:18:03 PM
I heard recently about a laser wall that would cost a fraction of the price of a solid wall, and yet, it would identify movement far away from the actual border, giving agents a good shot at intercepting illegals. That might be the way to go.

Many things like this make more sense than the wall Trump is proposing. 
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 11, 2019, 03:54:31 PM
No, polls show the majority being against the wall idea.

https://www.theperspective.com/perspectives/politics/americans-really-want-border-wall/ (https://www.theperspective.com/perspectives/politics/americans-really-want-border-wall/)
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 04:49:09 PM
https://www.theperspective.com/perspectives/politics/americans-really-want-border-wall/ (https://www.theperspective.com/perspectives/politics/americans-really-want-border-wall/)

 ???
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on January 11, 2019, 05:35:18 PM
???

Do you expect to get something reasonably objective from her? No. Of course not.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 11, 2019, 06:45:19 PM
Of course it can be sawed through.  A solid concrete wall can be sawed through as well, and not every foot of barrier can be policed.  It can also be tunneled under or climbed over.

Of the walls and barriers that already exist on the Mexican border, how many have been sawed through?
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 11, 2019, 06:47:07 PM
Even Jim Acosta proved that walls work.....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-mocked-for-accidently-proving-that-border-walls-work.print (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-mocked-for-accidently-proving-that-border-walls-work.print)
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 06:56:37 PM
Of the walls and barriers that already exist on the Mexican border, how many have been sawed through?

Why don’t you find out and let us know?
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 06:57:51 PM
Do you expect to get something reasonably objective from her? No. Of course not.

I would expect her to post something that supports her side of the argument.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on January 11, 2019, 07:42:11 PM
I would expect her to post something that supports her side of the argument.

Why? Have you ever seen her make a coherent argument?

I haven't.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Why? Have you ever seen her make a coherent argument?

I haven't.

Touché
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 11, 2019, 08:43:14 PM
Why don’t you find out and let us know?

No, sorry!  YOU were the one making the claim that hey have already been sawed through. Now the burden of proof is on you!

I am not going to do your homework for you. Nice try at weaseling out, though.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 08:49:48 PM
No, sorry!  YOU were the one making the claim that hey have already been sawed through. Now the burden of proof is on you!

I am not going to do your homework for you. Nice try at weaseling out, though.

You’re an idiot.  I said no such thing.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 11, 2019, 08:51:28 PM
You’re an idiot.  I said no such thing.
Yes you did.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 11, 2019, 08:54:56 PM
Yes you did.

You really need to learn to comprehend.  I said they can be, not that they had been.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on January 11, 2019, 08:58:38 PM
You really need to learn to comprehend.  I said they can be, not that they had been.

Never try to teach a pig to sing. The pig never sings.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 11, 2019, 09:28:47 PM
a brief history of the wall being an urgent emergency:

January 2017 - GOP majority
January 2017 Wall not an emergency
February 2017 Wall not an emergency
March 2017 Wall not an emergency
April 2017 Wall not an emergency
May 2017 Wall not an emergency
June 2017 Wall not an emergency
July 2017 Wall not an emergency
August 2017 Wall not an emergency
September 2017 Wall not an emergency
October 2017 Wall not an emergency
November 2017 Wall not an emergency
December 2017 Wall not an emergency
January 2018 Wall not an emergency
February 2018 Wall not an emergency
March 2018 Wall not an emergency
April 2018 Wall not an emergency
May 2018 Wall not an emergency
June 2018 Wall not an emergency
July 2018 Wall not an emergency
August 2018 Wall not an emergency
September 2018 Wall not an emergency
October 2018 Wall not an emergency
November 2018 Wall not an emergency
November 2018 Democratic majority elected in House
January

absolutely.. both parties are twatwaffles.
That's why i'm a Trump Supporter.  THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE 40 years ago as THEY PROMISED...but they didn't, the asshats.

NOW, God Willing, IT WILL BE DONE.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 11, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Title: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 11, 2019, 09:30:51 PM
You really need to learn to comprehend.  I said they can be, not that they had been.

And I asked, can you prove they have been?
I guess your answer would be “no”.

Thank you!! 
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Calypso Jones on January 11, 2019, 09:33:59 PM
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 12, 2019, 12:40:43 AM
And I asked, can you prove they have been?
I guess your answer would be “no”.

Thank you!! 

I didn’t say they have been, you fucking moron.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Mornac on January 12, 2019, 01:18:45 AM
I didn’t say they have been, you fucking moron.
--Yeah... this guy is walking around calling himself "SpaceCadet".

I think he owes Space Cadet an apology.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: SpaceCadet on January 12, 2019, 01:22:45 AM
--Yeah... this guy is walking around calling himself "SpaceCadet".

I think he owes Space Cadet an apology.

You owe humanity an apology.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 12, 2019, 06:57:44 AM
You really need to learn to comprehend.  I said they can be, not that they had been.

You claimed “they can be”! I asked if they ever have been. Your answer is “no”. So, once again you haven proven my point.

Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: PMF2 on January 13, 2019, 04:53:35 AM
Many things like this make more sense than the wall Trump is proposing.

Probably. I think the bottom line is that citizens want to stop illegal immigration, and to date, the only viable methods have been the walls that GWB and Obama built in limited areas.

I guess I could see other limited-length walls in areas that are easy to breech but I'm in construction, remember? For a whole wall the length of our border, we're talking hundreds of billions and much of that waste would be due to government contractors ripping off the taxpayers.

Israel built walls, and while they are tunneled under, they've stopped a lot of adversarial folks who used to strap bombs on their children and send them into Jewish marketplaces. So walls work - but only to a degree.

Here's info on the laser wall, and it sounds promising to me. Maybe it could be a compromise both parties could get behind.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-border-wall-laser-vegas-trump-20190109-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-border-wall-laser-vegas-trump-20190109-story.html)

Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Observer on January 15, 2019, 12:14:07 AM
The problem with a "laser wall" is that all it does is detect people crossing the border. It doesn't actually stop anyone. The only thing that will do that is a physical barrier.

Why have a system that requires you to try to catch them after they cross when you can have one that prevents them from crossing in the first place?
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: PMF2 on January 15, 2019, 06:12:21 AM
The problem with a "laser wall" is that all it does is detect people crossing the border. It doesn't actually stop anyone. The only thing that will do that is a physical barrier.

Not if it's a Death Ray Laser.

I'm just kidding about that, but it seemed like the thing to say.

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Why have a system that requires you to try to catch them after they cross when you can have one that prevents them from crossing in the first place?

I think a physical wall would stop at least 90% of the illegal entrants. Maybe 95%. But the ones who are the most determined -- the ones who either scale the wall or tunnel under -- will be the ones we least want in our country. I think the biggest problem is the length of our border.

We can't build a continuous wall for 5 billion dollars. We probably can't build one for 100 billion dollars -- not with the way government union contractors rip off the taxpayers. We could build shorter walls in high-risk areas, however, and I'm not opposed to that at all. But, I also think the laser idea has merit because it alerts the authorities (if it works as claimed) to the presence of anyone approaching the border.

I agree that trying to catch the illegals after they're here is self-defeating.



Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Pepsi on January 15, 2019, 10:27:31 AM
I think a physical wall would stop at least 90% of the illegal entrants.

Half of illegal immigrants come here through normal ports of entry and simply stayed past their visa expiration.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 15, 2019, 11:12:32 AM
Half of illegal immigrants come here through normal ports of entry and simply stayed past their visa expiration.

Link?

So?? That still doesn't mean that we don't need a wall for the other 50%. At least if we stop the 50% at the border, that gives LE and ICE more time and resources to go after the Visa violators.
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: Hollybaere on January 15, 2019, 11:13:10 AM
Thoughts??

(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49899231_1098171863677220_6501781669471584256_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-2.fna&oh=20f34f1f0f7853e9109bacf1b3a413b8&oe=5CC6DDD1)
Title: Re: Who needs a ladder?
Post by: PMF2 on January 15, 2019, 11:38:12 AM
Half of illegal immigrants come here through normal ports of entry and simply stayed past their visa expiration.

That's inaccurate. While there are certainly too many overstays, those folks are not illegal immigrants. We actually know the identity of each and every one of them. And, most have no intention of immigrating here, either. Most are students, but we do need to crack down on them. If they violate and overstay one time, they should never be allowed to visit here again.

The true illegals, those who enter illegally and think they're welcome here, are the ones who cause trouble. Many come with no form of ID, others hide criminal backgrounds, still others come to join gangs.

No real comparison.