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Title: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 04, 2018, 12:05:37 PM
One of the only 4ths, perhaps the only one, when I haven't felt like displaying the flag.  We've failed, at least for now, in spectacular fashion.  But history does not proceed in a straight line.  I trust that we will work past this.

Beyond the current difficulties, I respect and understand the reasons some segments of our population may never feel pride in this nation, and I will not tell them they are wrong.  But consider that the ideas set forth in the Declaration were aspirational, not a statement of how things would necessarily be from the beginning.  We have continually failed to live up to those aspirations, but we have moved closer to them over time.  Despite the darker parts of our history and national character, we debate the building of a wall to prevent too many people from coming here, not to keep people in.  This was the first Western society to be founded on Enlightenment ideals, to set up a government without a hereditary monarchy, or an oligarchy, or a theocracy.  A government of the people, by the people.  Although it currently more resembles a government of the people, by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs, it is up to us to get involved and stay involved to change it.

Each 4th of July is an opportunity for us to rededicate ourselves to realizing the founding principles of this country.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 04, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Don't worry.  We are jazzed enough this holiday for all of us.    Funny though.> Even when the Kenyan Prince man-child president was squatting in our white house, we always managed a great holiday without moaning and bitching.  Even had fireworks.


AT least you are resigned to the fact you can't beat up your fellow americans because they have different political views than you.  I can guarantee that your fellow conservatives are more patriotic and level headed than the socialist arm of the democrat party.

 But I have to ask....did you ever get upset as democrats made their families political royalty with entitlement to any office but especially office of the presidency?   Did you wring your hands in despair then?

bTW...How is your kid doing?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 04, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
oh...and THESE are the kinds of people we need a secure border against.

Crickets from the abolish ICE crowd.

https://wach.com/news/nation-world/nationwide-manhunt-for-3-non-us-citizens-accused-of-raping-2-ohio-teens

Via WACH:


There is a nationwide manhunt for three men accused of raping two Ohio teenagers.

Police say the men kidnapped the sisters, who are 13 and 14 years old, and took them to a hotel in Bowling Green, Ohio and raped them.

Doctors alerted police when the girls’ mother took them to the emergency room.

The men are not United States citizens and investigators believe they left the area.

The names of the three men are David Ramos Contreras, Rios Adiel and Arnuflo Ramos. Juan Garcia has already been arrested and charged with being part of the crime.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 04, 2018, 12:50:02 PM
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 04, 2018, 12:58:37 PM
what are you guys doing today. I"m in my kitchen doing some last minute dishes for the bunch.   pool open, 12 acres of fun, but HOT as a firecracker.   family and friends and kids.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 04, 2018, 01:21:58 PM
Don't worry.  We are jazzed enough this holiday for all of us.    Funny though.> Even when the Kenyan Prince man-child president was squatting in our white house, we always managed a great holiday without moaning and bitching.  Even had fireworks.


AT least you are resigned to the fact you can't beat up your fellow americans because they have different political views than you.  I can guarantee that your fellow conservatives are more patriotic and level headed than the socialist arm of the democrat party.

 But I have to ask....did you ever get upset as democrats made their families political royalty with entitlement to any office but especially office of the presidency?   Did you wring your hands in despair then?

bTW...How is your kid doing?

It's a fairly lengthy recovery, but she's doing well, recovering faster so far than was expected.  People have commented on her Facebook page that they've never seen anyone look so happy following a surgery.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 04, 2018, 02:43:21 PM
glad she's doing well.

here's something you can be thankful for...that you live in a time and a place where this can be done and accepted by many people. Things could be a lot worse for  your child.  Think of the blessing that all this means to you.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 04, 2018, 03:30:39 PM
glad she's doing well.

here's something you can be thankful for...that you live in a time and a place where this can be done and accepted by many people. Things could be a lot worse for  your child.  Think of the blessing that all this means to you.

It didn't happen without a lot of effort.  It's taken a decade-long battle against the more conservative aspects of our society to get here.  It WAS a lot worse 10 years ago, when she first began simply presenting herself publicly as something other than stereotypically male, which was enough to enrage the conservative community in which we lived at the time.  Many people tried to have her kicked out of the school by the administration.  That failed, but she was ostracized to the point that we ended up having to relocate to a more liberal community.

My wife formed an advocacy organization for transgender youth and has spent the past 10 years working with many other advocates to improve the situation.  My child is one of the first few to undergo this surgery after having been on puberty blocking medications, so they are pushing the further development of medical science in this area.

So I am thankful for my wife, the many other advocates, and for the medical professionals who have worked hard to improve the lives of these children.  But thankful to the conservative religious Victorian parts of this country?  Not so much.  They've made much of the last 10 years Hell for us.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 04, 2018, 04:05:17 PM
well of course, I can't address that because I don't know what they did to you.  I just know that here where I live, we have homosexuals, lesbians and quite frankly I don't know if we have trans or not.  I don't think I've run into any knowingly.

I have had homosexual clients as well as lesbian clients and I treated them the same as I would anyone.   Some of them I developed close relationships with as a friend.   and still care for them.

I know that Christians in my area don't aggressively attack anyone of any claimed or perceived gender.    I don't hate someone in that situation.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Observer on July 04, 2018, 06:14:05 PM
Maybe one of these days, your son will get well, SC.

He has a better chance here than anywhere else in the world.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 04, 2018, 07:32:48 PM
Maybe one of these days, your son will get well, SC.

He has a better chance here than anywhere else in the world.

Because the mental health care system in the US is so stellar?
 ::)

You're ridiculous, and in a completely predictable, even comical, way.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: TheFederalist on July 05, 2018, 03:49:09 AM
Because the mental health care system in the US is so stellar?
 ::)

You're ridiculous, and in a completely predictable, even comical, way.

So you think your son is mentally ill?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 09:24:22 AM
well of course, I can't address that because I don't know what they did to you.  I just know that here where I live, we have homosexuals, lesbians and quite frankly I don't know if we have trans or not.  I don't think I've run into any knowingly

I have had homosexual clients as well as lesbian clients and I treated them the same as I would anyone.   Some of them I developed close relationships with as a friend.   and still care for them.

I know that Christians in my area don't aggressively attack anyone of any claimed or perceived gender.    I don't hate someone in that situation.

As you can see, it is still the case for every other "conservative" on this site.  Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians and I don't know if Federalist claims to be religious or not, but just those who are on the Right.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 09:29:44 AM
As you can see, it is still the case for every other "conservative" on this site.  Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians and I don't know if Federalist claims to be religious or not, but just those who are on the Right.

I didn't intend to lump MSP in with the rest of them, just in case that impression came across.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 05, 2018, 10:05:57 AM
I didn't intend to lump MSP in with the rest of them, just in case that impression came across.

I don't think any conservative or Christian would face to face be rude to your child or you.   I know this has been tough for all of you. I think the problem arises from radical activist homosexuals and transgenders.   I believe a lot of homosexuals, lesbians and transgenders would like to live in peace and quiet.    INdeed I knew a couple of old 'aunties' if you'll forgive the expression.   Two aging homosexual men who loved their home and decorating and they loved giving teas for their lady friends of which I happened to be one.   They were sweet and charming and would have been appalled and embarrassed at where this movement has gone with it's brazen nude ugly parades in San Francisco areas for instance.

I don't have a problem with Jazz Jennings...but I do have a problem with Jeanette.   Do you know her?   I feel that she is less interested in her daughter's problems with her situation than she is with the politics of it.  THAT is the impression I get from her on I am Jazz. She whips her family into compliance.   
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 10:29:17 AM
I don't think any conservative or Christian would face to face be rude to your child or you.   I know this has been tough for all of you. I think the problem arises from radical activist homosexuals and transgenders.   I believe a lot of homosexuals, lesbians and transgenders would like to live in peace and quiet.    INdeed I knew a couple of old 'aunties' if you'll forgive the expression.   Two aging homosexual men who loved their home and decorating and they loved giving teas for their lady friends of which I happened to be one.   They were sweet and charming and would have been appalled and embarrassed at where this movement has gone with it's brazen nude ugly parades in San Francisco areas for instance.

I don't have a problem with Jazz Jennings...but I do have a problem with Jeanette.   Do you know her?   I feel that she is less interested in her daughter's problems with her situation than she is with the politics of it.  THAT is the impression I get from her on I am Jazz. She whips her family into compliance.

Well, they are rude in F2F situations, although of course not as much.  Where we used to live, most of the people right around us who knew us were nice.  That seems to be the key, having a personal relationship.  But others, who didn't know us well and had a kid in the school, would say things to us frequently.  In a couple of cases, parents told my kid that she and her parents were going to Hell!  She was 8 at the time!  In one heartwarming case, just before we moved, a mother came to the door of the house at the end of the school day (we lived right next to the school) and tearfully apologized to my wife.  She said she had been one of the parents who tried to get my child expelled from the school, but after seeing her after school one day and seeing how naturally she acted and her general manner, she had become ashamed of herself.  Still, she started out with many friends in the beginning.  The kids themselves didn't care.  But their parents worked on them and by the time we moved, she was alone.  As an extremely social kid, that was devastating, and we didn't even know how bad it was until right before moving.

I do know Jeanette, and I don't know her to be very politically minded.  I think you may be misreading the "Mama Bear" instinct as something else.  She, like my wife, had to proactively protect her kid from a young age, and we owe her a debt of gratitude.  They did a 20/20 special that aired just a while before we figured out what was going on with our child, and that helped us figure things out early on.  Part of the act of protecting the child involves "whipping the rest of the family into compliance".  We've been lucky with our family, but even with supportive family members, they must be educated.  That was even more so the case 10 years ago.  Other families have been split, but you can't be around family members who refuse to behave appropriately with your child.  It can become a choice between your child and other family members.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 10:44:26 AM
I don't think any conservative or Christian would face to face be rude to your child or you.   I know this has been tough for all of you. I think the problem arises from radical activist homosexuals and transgenders.   I believe a lot of homosexuals, lesbians and transgenders would like to live in peace and quiet.    INdeed I knew a couple of old 'aunties' if you'll forgive the expression.   Two aging homosexual men who loved their home and decorating and they loved giving teas for their lady friends of which I happened to be one.   They were sweet and charming and would have been appalled and embarrassed at where this movement has gone with it's brazen nude ugly parades in San Francisco areas for instance.

I don't have a problem with Jazz Jennings...but I do have a problem with Jeanette.   Do you know her?   I feel that she is less interested in her daughter's problems with her situation than she is with the politics of it.  THAT is the impression I get from her on I am Jazz. She whips her family into compliance.

I want to add that we didn't move to an area that is completely full of atheists.  There are plenty of Christians around, as well as other faith traditions.  I don't think Christianity is the problem, I think it is just right wing ideology.  We have one, just one, family on our street who are crazy right wingers, and yep, they hate us.  But now at least we have strong support from the rest of our neighbors.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 05, 2018, 11:22:46 AM
As you can see, it is still the case for every other "conservative" on this site.  Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians and I don't know if Federalist claims to be religious or not, but just those who are on the Right.

As observed by Max Boot, noted conservative historian and columnist, the racists and homophobes have gone from the fringe of the Republican Party to the majority. What difference does it make which stupid mythology racists and homophobes use to rationalize their hate? Hate is hate regardless of the window dressing. The problem right now is that the dumbasses are emboldened. You will do no good trying to reason with them. This is why I don't bother to talk to them, or read their stupid shit. I owe them no civility or courtesy. They are stupid, ugly, nasty people. They have nothing enlightening, or interesting to add. They aren't clever. They aren't cute.

Those people have no redeeming value and they are going to be crushed in November.

Did you see that Republicans met with Russian oligarchs in Russia? WTF is this love for Putin, who just poisoned more dissidents in Britain? SpaceCadet, the right wing is a dangerous ideology.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 11:45:35 AM
As observed by Max Boot, noted conservative historian and columnist, the racists and homophobes have gone from the fringe of the Republican Party to the majority. What difference does it make which stupid mythology racists and homophobes use to rationalize their hate? Hate is hate regardless of the window dressing. The problem right now is that the dumbasses are emboldened. You will do no good trying to reason with them. This is why I don't bother to talk to them, or read their stupid shit. I owe them no civility or courtesy. They are stupid, ugly, nasty people. They have nothing enlightening, or interesting to add. They aren't clever. They aren't cute.

Those people have no redeeming value and they are going to be crushed in November.

Did you see that Republicans met with Russian oligarchs in Russia? WTF is this love for Putin, who just poisoned more dissidents in Britain? SpaceCadet, the right wing is a dangerous ideology.

It doesn't matter which stupid mythology they use as an excuse.  I don't talk to them anymore either for the most part, which is why I've mostly withdrawn from this forum, but at least in this case CJ doesn't seem to be a hater.  But she has polluted this forum with so much BS that I also don't have much interest in participating here because of that as well.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 05, 2018, 12:09:01 PM
Agree, she's a waste of space.  I'm so sick of her dammed meaningless bible verses, too.  She even chased Moronac off the home page. 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 05, 2018, 12:09:45 PM
It doesn't matter which stupid mythology they use as an excuse.  I don't talk to them anymore either for the most part, which is why I've mostly withdrawn from this forum, but at least in this case CJ doesn't seem to be a hater.  But she has polluted this forum with so much BS that I also don't have much interest in participating here because of that as well.

You know that you don't owe me any explanation SpaceCadet and you know too that I know that you already understand.

I don't think Caroline has earned the benefit of the doubt that you give her here, but that's just my opinion. Hate is hate and she has exhibited her hate in spades. She is a reprobate, as they all are. The only language they will understand is their crushing defeat.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 05, 2018, 12:12:40 PM
Agree, she's a waste of space.  I'm so sick of her dammed meaningless bible verses, too.  She even chased Moronac off the home page.

She is worse than that. She is malicious.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 05, 2018, 12:21:42 PM
I want to add that we didn't move to an area that is completely full of atheists.  There are plenty of Christians around, as well as other faith traditions.  I don't think Christianity is the problem, I think it is just right wing ideology.  We have one, just one, family on our street who are crazy right wingers, and yep, they hate us.  But now at least we have strong support from the rest of our neighbors.

I'm glad for that.     and eight year old children should not be the target of adults.  or even other kids.   The latter happens a lot though and in my opinion because of the lack of control by the adults.

so...i'm guessing that your child is about 18 now??  You've gone through a lot of turmoil to the point of having to move over the course of a decade.   Has that situation affected your child??  In college?   
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Observer on July 05, 2018, 12:28:19 PM
As you can see, it is still the case for every other "conservative" on this site.  Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians and I don't know if Federalist claims to be religious or not, but just those who are on the Right.

This post pretty clearly illustrates your problem, SC. You want to claim victimhood even when no wrong has been done to you. I didn't "attack" you or your son. I expressed a sincere wish that someday, a way will be found to help him.

Do you think I would treat your son any differently from the way I treat anyone else in personal interaction? If you do, you are a bigger idiot than even Velleity or Flyshit. I never have and never will single someone out for ill treatment who intends me no harm. What you want is for everyone to pretend his condition is normal and healthy. It is not. He is broken. It is not his fault and he doesn't deserve anything other the same treatment, both under the law and in personal interaction than anyone else gets. However, pretending he is normal is not going to help him.

I wish him well and I hope you will someday pull your head out of your ass and understand that recognizing an illness is not the same as condemning someone for it.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 12:42:40 PM
I'm glad for that.     and eight year old children should not be the target of adults.  or even other kids.   The latter happens a lot though and in my opinion because of the lack of control by the adults.

so...i'm guessing that your child is about 18 now??  You've gone through a lot of turmoil to the point of having to move over the course of a decade.   Has that situation affected your child??  In college?

Yep, 18.  Yes, it affected the entire family, profoundly.  But the relocation has been an overall positive experience for her, as well as the rest of us as we're now in a community that is much more attuned to ourselves in general.

Many, perhaps most, colleges have taken steps to make sure trans students are well integrated into the student population.  But now, of course, there would be no way for anyone to know that she wasn't born as a biological female, whether in restrooms or changing areas, or whatever.  With the completion of surgery, we are now getting her birth certificate changed to indicate Female.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 05, 2018, 12:50:18 PM
 I hope this brings peace to your whole family.

I do understand that this is not easy surgery and there is a long convalescent period.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
I hope this brings peace to your whole family.

I do understand that this is not easy surgery and there is a long convalescent period.

Thanks.

Yes, it's a pretty tough recovery but she is doing better than expected so far, and the difficulty is tempered by the joy.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 05, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
Thanks.

Yes, it's a pretty tough recovery but she is doing better than expected so far, and the difficulty is tempered by the joy.
   that'll definitely shorten the recovery time. 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 05, 2018, 02:51:08 PM
This post pretty clearly illustrates your problem, SC. You want to claim victimhood even when no wrong has been done to you. I didn't "attack" you or your son. I expressed a sincere wish that someday, a way will be found to help him.

Do you think I would treat your son any differently from the way I treat anyone else in personal interaction? If you do, you are a bigger idiot than even Velleity or Flyshit. I never have and never will single someone out for ill treatment who intends me no harm. What you want is for everyone to pretend his condition is normal and healthy. It is not. He is broken. It is not his fault and he doesn't deserve anything other the same treatment, both under the law and in personal interaction than anyone else gets. However, pretending he is normal is not going to help him.

I wish him well and I hope you will someday pull your head out of your ass and understand that recognizing an illness is not the same as condemning someone for it.

I don't expect you to derive any benefit from this, but perhaps someone else will:

There is no such recognized illness.  It's not considered to be an illness within the medical community.  Continuing to treat her as though there is something wrong with her would only further damage her self esteem.  At the same time, no one is claiming it is "normal".  That would be stupid.

Treating her as a boy would indeed be a form of attack.  Especially now, assuming you knew otherwise through some means, treating a person who behaves and looks outwardly female as a male, for no reason other than to try to make some stupid point, would most certainly be a form of attack and would just be a dick move.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: hurricanehook on July 05, 2018, 04:55:23 PM
Hey libass.
we were all worried you killed yourself when Kennedy
decided to retire and Trump is going to nominate a
strict constructionist.
bummer loser!

Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: TheFederalist on July 05, 2018, 06:35:53 PM
As you can see, it is still the case for every other "conservative" on this site.  Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians and I don't know if Federalist claims to be religious or not, but just those who are on the Right.

I asked you a question, which you avoided. As I read it, It seems you're the only one that mentioned the mental healthcare system in the US. So I was merely seeking clarification of your statement.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Ismael Adame on July 06, 2018, 09:01:42 AM
Don't worry.  We are jazzed enough this holiday for all of us.    Funny though.> Even when the Kenyan Prince man-child president was squatting in our white house, we always managed a great holiday without moaning and bitching.  Even had fireworks.
You have no idea that everyone knows you're just making up this shit. You spend the 4th exactly the same way you have spend every day for the past 10 years. This is your life 24/7 365 and just like every other excrement stained online malcontent you blame that pathetic life on everyone but yourself. Your unhappiness oozes from every post you make. You fool nobody you lonely twisted misanthropic puss filled cunt.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Observer on July 06, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
I don't expect you to derive any benefit from this, but perhaps someone else will:

There is no such recognized illness.  It's not considered to be an illness within the medical community.  Continuing to treat her as though there is something wrong with her would only further damage her self esteem.  At the same time, no one is claiming it is "normal".  That would be stupid.

Treating her as a boy would indeed be a form of attack.  Especially now, assuming you knew otherwise through some means, treating a person who behaves and looks outwardly female as a male, for no reason other than to try to make some stupid point, would most certainly be a form of attack and would just be a dick move.

He is a boy.

Treating him as a girl is just feeding his delusion. Allowing him to be mutilated isn't going to make him a girl.

It is unfortunate that he somehow got broken, but you have not helped him by pandering to his illness.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 06, 2018, 03:44:45 PM
You have no idea that everyone knows you're just making up this shit. You spend the 4th exactly the same way you have spend every day for the past 10 years. This is your life 24/7 365 and just like every other excrement stained online malcontent you blame that pathetic life on everyone but yourself. Your unhappiness oozes from every post you make. You fool nobody you lonely twisted misanthropic puss filled cunt.

Wow....bud. dee.    Talk about oozing unhappiness.     There's got to be a medal for that huh?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 07, 2018, 05:15:23 PM
Not necessarily "Christians" in this case, as Observer and Mornac are not Christians...
--Question for you, "SpaceCadet": If someone self-identifies as a Christian, do you feel that is within your (or anyone else's) right to declare that that person is not a Christian?

(I implore everyone here to pay careful attention to his answer as it will inevitaby reveal him as the fraud that he is.)
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: hurricanehook on July 07, 2018, 08:42:22 PM
--Question for you, "SpaceCadet": If someone self-identifies as a Christian, do you feel that is within your (or anyone else's) right to declare that that person is not a Christian?

(I implore everyone here to pay careful attention to his answer as it will inevitaby reveal him as the fraud that he is.)
Mornac.
spacey will not respond.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 08, 2018, 04:55:31 AM
Mornac.
spacey will not respond.
--His failure to respond will be his response in and of itself, hook.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Ismael Adame on July 08, 2018, 11:10:19 AM
Wow....bud. dee.    Talk about oozing unhappiness.     There's got to be a medal for that huh?
A medal for spending the 4th exactly the same way you have spent every day for the past 10 years? In places like this 24/7 365? A medal for being an excrement stained online malcontent blaming your pathetic life on everyone but yourself? No Caroline. God knows there's no medal for you. He's rewarded you with the life and the lonely death you deserve. You malevolent fetid cunt.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 08, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
He is a boy.

Treating him as a girl is just feeding his delusion. Allowing him to be mutilated isn't going to make him a girl.

It is unfortunate that he somehow got broken, but you have not helped him by pandering to his illness.

And you received your medical training where, again?    ::)
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 08, 2018, 11:37:07 AM
A medal for spending the 4th exactly the same way you have spent every day for the past 10 years? In places like this 24/7 365? A medal for being an excrement stained online malcontent blaming your pathetic life on everyone but yourself? No Caroline. God knows there's no medal for you. He's rewarded you with the life and the lonely death you deserve. You malevolent fetid cunt.

there's that vile talk again..... which hurts you. Not me.   I think if anyone with any sense compares our postings they can gather for themselves who is the malcontent.   Now..I get it.  You hate me...and rightly so.   You have spent a lifetime believing your leftist leaders and it is painful to now suspect that they might just be lying to you....that your whole belief system is a lie given to you by others.    Here we come along and we post what is not in your mindset and it IS painful.   Your rage is so fierce you can't contain it enough to think this through or examine the truth because it will destroy everything for you.

I know it hurt.   Maybe you should put some ice on that.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 08, 2018, 11:45:52 AM
--Question for you, "SpaceCadet": If someone self-identifies as a Christian, do you feel that is within your (or anyone else's) right to declare that that person is not a Christian?

(I implore everyone here to pay careful attention to his answer as it will inevitaby reveal him as the fraud that he is.)

You are not a Christian.  You cannot endorse Drumpf's border policy of destroying families and be a real Christian.  It's not possible.  You cannot support a president who willfully removes health insurance from Americans which will lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths and be a Christian.  Tough luck, mofo.  That's just the way it is.  Your "render unto Caesar" is a cop-out doesn't apply.  You are not a Christian.  You're a proud asshole.     
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Ismael Adame on July 08, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
there's that vile talk again..... which hurts you. Not me.   I think if anyone with any sense compares our postings they can gather for themselves who is the malcontent.   Now..I get it.  You hate me...and rightly so.   You have spent a lifetime believing your leftist leaders and it is painful to now suspect that they might just be lying to you....that your whole belief system is a lie given to you by others.    Here we come along and we post what is not in your mindset and it IS painful.   Your rage is so fierce you can't contain it enough to think this through or examine the truth because it will destroy everything for you.

I know it hurt.   Maybe you should put some ice on that.
This is your whole lonely life. 24/7. 365 days of the year including Christmas day, New Year's day and every holiday. Your life has been like this for years. God knows you deserve it. You're so desperate for attention that you'll even engage with someone who does nothing but call you what you are. You malignant puss filled cunt.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 08, 2018, 12:30:39 PM
This is your whole lonely life. 24/7. 365 days of the year including Christmas day, New Year's day and every holiday. Your life has been like this for years. God knows you deserve it. You're so desperate for attention that you'll even engage with someone who does nothing but call you what you are. You malignant puss filled cunt.

you're so full of hate you have to have a sock to help you with it.   
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 08, 2018, 04:15:57 PM
She's utterly obnoxious. 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Hollybaere on July 08, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
You are not a Christian.  You cannot endorse Drumpf's border policy of destroying families and be a real Christian.  It's not possible.  You cannot support a president who willfully removes health insurance from Americans which will lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths and be a Christian.  Tough luck, mofo.  That's just the way it is.  Your "render unto Caesar" is a cop-out doesn't apply.  You are not a Christian.  You're a proud asshole.   

Please show some examples of these people who actually lost their health insurance because of President Trump.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: hurricanehook on July 08, 2018, 06:23:01 PM
You have no idea that everyone knows you're just making up this shit. You spend the 4th exactly the same way you have spend every day for the past 10 years. This is your life 24/7 365 and just like every other excrement stained online malcontent you blame that pathetic life on everyone but yourself. Your unhappiness oozes from every post you make. You fool nobody you lonely twisted misanthropic puss filled cunt.
hey libass.
your alter ego is out of control again.
take charge, libass!
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 08, 2018, 07:47:01 PM
--Question for you, "SpaceCadet": If someone self-identifies as a Christian, do you feel that is within your (or anyone else's) right to declare that that person is not a Christian?

(I implore everyone here to pay careful attention to his answer as it will inevitaby reveal him as the fraud that he is.)

Answer for you, "Christian".  Yes, I can judge based on the person's behavior, quite simply.

I may claim to be a writer, or a musician, but if I never sit down and write anything or practice my instrument, I'm not really either.  I may claim to love children, or my wife, but my behavior will show whether or not I really do.

Of course, it may be different for "Catholics".  I don't know what their expectations are.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 08, 2018, 10:55:22 PM
Please show some examples of these people who actually lost their health insurance because of President Trump.
Every time I answer one of your grossly uninformed challenges, you disappear without paying the check.  Who are you to make demands of me?  Get yourself a tutor or do some reading for once.  BTW, the mandate was repealed.   ::)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-is-trading-13-million-peoples-health-care-for-corporate-tax-cuts/2017/11/15/bfe59248-ca49-11e7-aa96-54417592cf72_story.html?utm_term=.94205fbe2516 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-is-trading-13-million-peoples-health-care-for-corporate-tax-cuts/2017/11/15/bfe59248-ca49-11e7-aa96-54417592cf72_story.html?utm_term=.94205fbe2516)
The GOP is trading 13 million people’s health care for corporate tax cuts
 
The HealthCare.gov website. (Mike Segar/Reuters)
By Nicholas Bagley
November 15, 2017
Nicholas Bagley is a professor of law at the University of Michigan Law School.

To finesse the tricky politics and brutal math of tax reform, Senate Republicans say that they want to repeal the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate. For Republicans, repeal would be a trifecta: a blow to Obamacare, a money-saver for the federal government and a way to finance a permanent cut to the corporate tax rate.

Republicans are right about all of this. What they haven't highlighted, however, are the trade-offs: the estimated 13 million people who will lose insurance if the mandate is repealed. Is the country really better off if millions of people forgo medical care, and millions more go bankrupt, so that corporations can pay lower taxes? That's not a rhetorical question. Those are the stakes of the game.

Under the rules for budget reconciliation — the procedural mechanism that Republicans want to use to avoid a Democratic filibuster — the tax reform bill can't raise the deficit after an initial 10-year period. To make the corporate tax cuts permanent, they will have to be offset by spending reductions or other tax increases.


The trouble is that cutting the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent — which is the Republican goal — is wildly expensive. Finding politically acceptable offsets has proved difficult, and Republicans are scrounging under couch cushions for loose change to make the numbers work.

There's a lot of loose change in health care because the federal government subsidizes most forms of health insurance. If you're covered through your employer, you get a big tax break. If you buy health insurance on the exchanges, the federal government probably picks up part of the tab. And if you're on Medicare or Medicaid, the taxpayer covers most of your medical bills.

Taking insurance away from people is, thus, an effective way to save the federal government money. Which brings us to the mandate. The mandate is a tax penalty levied against people who refuse to get insurance. The goal is to encourage people to get covered before they get sick. Healthy people might otherwise go without, confident that they can buy insurance if and when they need it.


But opting out creates a problem: If lots of healthy people refuse to get coverage, those who keep their insurance will overall be sicker. Because a group of relatively sick people will have higher medical costs than a group of relatively healthy people, insurers will have to charge more for coverage. That drives up the price of insurance for everyone.

The individual mandate counteracts the problem by encouraging healthy people to sign up. Spreading risk across the entire population keeps insurance premiums in check, which allows people who might otherwise have been priced out of the market to afford coverage.

The whole point of the mandate, then, is to expand the number of people with federally subsidized insurance, which naturally increases federal spending. By the same token, eliminating the mandate would reduce federal spending — but only because fewer people will have insurance. Repeal may sound costless, but it's really a covert way to slash billions of dollars in spending on health care for the poor and disadvantaged.


This isn't controversial. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the federal government will save $338 billion over 10 years if the mandate is repealed, but 13 million people will lose coverage. You can flyspeck the projections, but the broader point, as the CBO reports, stands: "Despite the uncertainty, some effects of this policy are clear: For instance, the federal deficit would be many billions of dollars lower than under current law, and the number of uninsured people would be millions higher."

To make that more palatable, Republicans want to pair repeal with a promise to pass a bipartisan bill backed by Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Patty Murray (D-Wash.). Among other things, the Alexander-Murray bill would restore Obamacare funding — the cost-sharing reductions — that President Trump abruptly terminated last month.

But Alexander-Murray needs Democratic votes to pass, and Democrats won't gain much by cutting a deal. Elimination of the cost-sharing money has proven less disruptive than originally feared; indeed, because of canny decisions by state insurance commissioners and the complex financial machinery of the Affordable Care Act, many consumers have found better deals on the exchanges than they have in the past. That may partly explain why nearly 1.5 million people have enrolled in new Obamacare plans in the first two weeks of open enrollment — a 45 percent increase over last year.

So there won't be any grand bargain. The trade-off here is both simple and brutal: Republicans want to pay for a permanent corporate tax by taking insurance from millions of people. Is that who we are as a nation?

Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 08, 2018, 11:02:05 PM
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/8/16623154/cbo-obamacare-individual-mandate-new-baseline (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/8/16623154/cbo-obamacare-individual-mandate-new-baseline)

CBO: 13 million more uninsured if you repeal Obamacare’s individual mandate
Premiums would increase by 10 percent.
By Dylan Scott@dylanlscottdylan.scott@vox.com  Nov 8, 2017, 4:50pm EST

Repealing Obamacare’s individual mandate would lead to 13 million fewer Americans having health insurance and save the federal government $338 billion in the next 10 years.

The numbers come from a new report from the Congressional Budget Office, which re-scored the repeal as Republicans consider including it in their tax reform proposal as a means of saving money — and striking a blow to the health care law they’ve campaigned against but haven’t quite been able to undo. (President Trump is also reportedly considering an executive order that would defang the mandate.)

Four million more Americans would be uninsured in 2019, the first of the mandate’s repeal, with the uninsured figure increasing over the next decade to 13 million in 2027.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Hollybaere on July 08, 2018, 11:05:26 PM
So, you use an OPINION piece as an example??

All this states is what could happen, not what has happened.

The one and only reason you care about what happens to Obamacare is because you are using it.

The biggest flaw with Obamacare, as I have stated all along, is to force people to buy health insurance. It didn't work the and it won't work now.

Unless you can show actual examples of real people who actually had their health insurance taken away, you are just fishing.

Desperate and pitiful, that's all you. Liberals are!!
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 09, 2018, 03:52:55 AM
Yes...
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Ismael Adame on July 09, 2018, 08:44:13 AM
you're so full of hate you have to have a sock to help you with it.
I'm no sock. I'm just one more person who sees you for exactly what you are. A bitter and twisted lonely malcontent whose whole world consists of nothing but posting bull shit 24/7 365 in an online forum consisting of 6 other posters. You're having a mirror held up to you and you're telling your reflection that she's a hateful cunt.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Ismael Adame on July 09, 2018, 09:03:30 AM
hey libass.
your alter ego is out of control again.
take charge, libass!
At least the time you spend responding to Caroline's reflection is time you're not spending sending out yet more unsolicited pornographic emails.  Your family must be so proud.  The sooner you're doxxed the better. Perhaps a little sunlight will help disinfect your maleficent grubbiness.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.

Oh wow, I guess you really showed me! (by quoting one single word of my response) 🙄

BTW, speaking of hypocrisy, I thought you regarded your religion as the absolute truth.  Hypocrisy?

The only thing that's been "demanded" is that all people be treated with respect and equal rights, and that you not be overly concerned with other people's genitals.  It comes as a shock to no one that you are so resistant to that.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Makesenseplease on July 09, 2018, 10:18:31 AM
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.
What hypocrisy ???
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 10:52:19 AM
--And there you have it, folks - classic liberal hypocrisy on display for all to see. They will not allow a normal person to claim a philosophy (a thing which is subjective in and of itself), yet they DEMAND that everyone bow to the claims of others which defy biological facts.

This Supreme Court appointment can't come fast enough for me. (Nor can the next two which hopefully will follow fast on the heels of this one). I, for one, will be sleeping well tonight.

BTW, there is a possible remedy to the SCOTUS problem, if the Republicans go too far to the right for the American people, once the Dems are in power again.  The number of justices on the SCOTUS can be changed by Congress.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 09, 2018, 10:53:52 AM
BTW, there is a possible remedy to the SCOTUS problem, if the Republicans go too far to the right for the American people, once the Dems are in power again.  The number of justices on the SCOTUS can be changed by Congress.

That will happen.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 09, 2018, 01:13:16 PM
Oh wow, I guess you really showed me! (by quoting one single word of my response)
--It was the only word that answered my question.

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BTW, speaking of hypocrisy, I thought you regarded your religion as the absolute truth.
--I do.

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Hypocrisy?
--What am I missing here? Are you under the impression that you just made a point?

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The only thing that's been "demanded" is that all people be treated with respect and equal rights,
--Now we're getting somewhere. So I guess agree that I should have the right to call a man a man and a woman a woman according to the laws of biology. Thank you.

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and that you not be overly concerned with other people's genitals.  It comes as a shock to no one that you are so resistant to that.
--I'm not at all concerned with other peoples genitals. They're welcome to treat them as they wish. On the other hand, there are people out there who are so obsessed with the genitals of others that they will pay to have them molested and than demand that the rest of the world bow to the fantasy that the victim has changed his or her gender. If you want to go after the genitally obsessed - those are your people.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 09, 2018, 01:18:51 PM
BTW, there is a possible remedy to the SCOTUS problem, if the Republicans go too far to the right for the American people, once the Dems are in power again.
--The "SCOTUS problem" is being remedied as we speak, After today there will be only four more aspects of it in need of resolution (and that could start happening relatively soon).

Quote
The number of justices on the SCOTUS can be changed by Congress.
--If enough of them had the nerve to amend the Constitution that they so detest. I don't see it happening but even if it did, it would still have to be ratified by the states. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
--The "SCOTUS problem" is being remedied as we speak, After today there will be only four more aspects of it in need of resolution (and that could start happening relatively soon).
--If enough of them had the nerve to amend the Constitution that they so detest. I don't see it happening but even if it did, it would still have to be ratified by the states. Good luck with that.

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 09, 2018, 01:23:40 PM
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.
--Put "how to amend the constitution" into a search engine and learn something.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 01:25:39 PM
--Put "how to amend the constitution" into a search engine and learn something.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and are not worth wasting time on.  There's no need to amend the Constitution.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 09, 2018, 01:26:07 PM
You are not a Christian.  You cannot endorse Drumpf's border policy of destroying families and be a real Christian.  It's not possible.  You cannot support a president who willfully removes health insurance from Americans which will lead to thousands of unnecessary deaths and be a Christian.  Tough luck, mofo.  That's just the way it is.  Your "render unto Caesar" is a cop-out doesn't apply.  You are not a Christian.  You're a proud asshole.
--Oh this is rich! dalibrul has made himself the arbiter of who is and who is not a Christian.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 09, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
You have no idea what you're talking about, and are not worth wasting time on.
--Fine by me. You never seemed like someone who can be taught anyway.

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There's no need to amend the Constitution.
--Consult your lawyer friends around here.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 01:37:52 PM
--Fine by me. You never seemed like someone who can be taught anyway.
--Consult your lawyer friends around here.

Shut up, quit embarrassing yourself, and do a little googling of your own and learn something.  😉
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 01:57:35 PM
I suspect Mornac's head just imploded.  It would have exploded, were it not empty.   ;D
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 02:29:02 PM
My understanding is that humility is one of the traits Christians should exhibit.   ::)
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 09, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Article I. It was made Article I for a reason. Congress was to be the most powerful branch of government.

You know that and you're right, Mornac has no idea.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 09, 2018, 04:25:32 PM
BTW, there is a possible remedy to the SCOTUS problem, if the Republicans go too far to the right for the American people, once the Dems are in power again.  The number of justices on the SCOTUS can be changed by Congress.

yeah we know what by what you're saying right now and it will have nothing to do with the constitution.   You'll probably have them assassinated.  That's why democrats can NEVER be in power again.  you can't be trusted.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 04:36:10 PM
yeah we know what by what you're saying right now and it will have nothing to do with the constitution.   You'll probably have them assassinated.  That's why democrats can NEVER be in power again.  you can't be trusted.

 ???  WTF?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 09, 2018, 05:46:22 PM
???  WTF?

You're surprised?

Really?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 06:14:51 PM
You're surprised?

Really?

I'm just not sure what she's talking about, or why she's jumping to something like assassination.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 09, 2018, 06:23:14 PM
I'm just not sure what she's talking about, or why she's jumping to something like assassination.

Delusions of grandeur? But who cares? Does she ever.say anything of value? She's a cult follower spamming us with cult blather.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 06:48:39 PM
Delusions of grandeur? But who cares? Does she ever.say anything of value? She's a cult follower spamming us with cult blather.

Mornac sure disappeared from this thread.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 09, 2018, 07:03:47 PM
???  WTF?

Isn't that the ultimate goal with this media/politician criminalizing the right with the term Nazis?  Of course it is.  And you know it.  come on now. Be honest.  Where else can it go?   Do you think calling your political opposition a Nazi just stops there?

and then look at the vile language used against conservative women AT. THIS. Site.   What is the purpose of that.   Psychologically doesn't that give the name caller the moral superiority to dehumanize his political opposition?  Of course it does.  This has a purpose.

I might remind you too SC that you have a daughter now, full fledged.  How would you feel to have guys like these posters here talking to her in such a manner.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 07:11:36 PM
Isn't that the ultimate goal with this media/politician criminalizing the right with the term Nazis?  Of course it is.  And you know it.  come on now. Be honest.  Where else can it go?   Do you think calling your political opposition a Nazi just stops there?

and then look at the vile language used against conservative women AT. THIS. Site.   What is the purpose of that.   Psychologically doesn't that give the name caller the moral superiority to dehumanize his political opposition?  Of course it does.  This has a purpose.

I might remind you too SC that you have a daughter now, full fledged.  How would you feel to have guys like these posters here talking to her in such a manner.

None of this has anything to do with what I was discussing or, I think, with your response to what I was discussing.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 09, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
None of this has anything to do with what I was discussing or, I think, with your response to what I was discussing.

I think it does considering what is going on with the left's physically and verbally attacking conservatives at this time.  Perhaps not you but certainly your side.   Did you see the video of the former young BLM member I posted earlier today.  You should look at it.   

Again.  The vile contumely by MEN at this site against conservative women.  You can't possibly consider that right!   The attacks in the public sphere against conservative women, in particular.   From the party of tolerance??  From the party of empowering women??      These vile epithets written here by these......what would you call them because I certainly would not call them men...cretins?  are unacceptable to say the least and what do you men who are allegedly of the same persuasion do?  nothing.  that's what.  Pepsi sits on his hands, while his site is inundated with this filth.

  You know how you said you were hurt at what your child has gone through.   Let me tell you something that is the truth.  There is no viciousness like the viciousness of the left.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 09, 2018, 07:27:56 PM
Mornac sure disappeared from this thread.

They're all fascists and the only language they will understand is crushing defeat. Unless and until we crush 5hem they will continue to drag us down lower and lower and lower.

Fascism is subversive.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Katsrdelicious on July 09, 2018, 07:36:14 PM
They're all fascists and the only language they will understand is crushing defeat. Unless and until we crush 5hem they will continue to drag us down lower and lower and lower.

Fascism is subversive.
You're an idiot
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 07:40:56 PM
I think it does considering what is going on with the left's physically and verbally attacking conservatives at this time.  Perhaps not you but certainly your side.   Did you see the video of the former young BLM member I posted earlier today.  You should look at it.   

Again.  The vile contumely by MEN at this site against conservative women.  You can't possibly consider that right!   The attacks in the public sphere against conservative women, in particular.   From the party of tolerance??  From the party of empowering women??      These vile epithets written here by these......what would you call them because I certainly would not call them men...cretins?  are unacceptable to say the least and what do you men who are allegedly of the same persuasion do?  nothing.  that's what.  Pepsi sits on his hands, while his site is inundated with this filth.

  You know how you said you were hurt at what your child has gone through.   Let me tell you something that is the truth.  There is no viciousness like the viciousness of the left.

I would like to figure out what you were trying to get at with regard to the SCOTUS.  Or we can drop it.  But I'm not interested in going down all these other rabbit holes.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 09, 2018, 07:56:42 PM
what i'm saying is that there is a goal to all of what is going on right now.  The trump hatred. The attacks on conservatives.  The attacks on the #walkaway bunch. on conservative women. ON TRUMP ANd now on Trump supporters.   THERE IS A GOAL.    And there will be violence.  And  it will be started by the left.   More than likely it will be blamed on the right...but we'll know the truth won't we.

Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 08:06:33 PM
what i'm saying is that there is a goal to all of what is going on right now.  The trump hatred. The attacks on conservatives.  The attacks on the #walkaway bunch. on conservative women. ON TRUMP ANd now on Trump supporters.   THERE IS A GOAL.    And there will be violence.  And  it will be started by the left.   More than likely it will be blamed on the right...but we'll know the truth won't we.

So, you could just say that you don't want to talk about what I was saying with regard to the SCOTUS.  That would be fine.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: hurricanehook on July 09, 2018, 08:25:00 PM
So, you could just say that you don't want to talk about what I was saying with regard to the SCOTUS.  That would be fine.
Trumps pick,
looks like a winner, winner, chicken dinner.
Trump rules.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 09, 2018, 09:57:37 PM
You're an idiot

Awwww, you poor little fascist snowflake.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 09, 2018, 10:46:38 PM
So, you could just say that you don't want to talk about what I was saying with regard to the SCOTUS.  That would be fine.
okay.  that's fine. I have no beef with you SC. You've been relatively courteous.    I get what you're saying about the Supreme court pick...but I don't think you can change the constitution that easily...and the way the left is behaving with the country's pick for the president....Dems gonna get that back, IF dems are ever allowed to win national elections again.  Dems should have thought about that but then...they can never think any further than the end of their noses. 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 09, 2018, 11:05:41 PM
okay.  that's fine. I have no beef with you SC. You've been relatively courteous.    I get what you're saying about the Supreme court pick...but I don't think you can change the constitution that easily...and the way the left is behaving with the country's pick for the president....Dems gonna get that back, IF dems are ever allowed to win national elections again.  Dems should have thought about that but then...they can never think any further than the end of their noses.

Here's the thing: it doesn't require changing the Constitution, as I told Mornac earlier.

The Republicans are getting what they deserve for the way they treated Obama for 8 years, and still do.  They should have thought about that.

On top of that, they chose an absolutely ludicrous clown for President, a clown who is apparently entangled with Russia to a dangerous degree.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: TheFederalist on July 10, 2018, 01:43:23 AM
The Republicans are getting what they deserve for the way they treated Obama for 8 years, and still do.  They should have thought about that.

Republicans are doing great. It's the Democrats that are getting what they deserve. They should have thought about not embracing the lunacy from their fringes.

On top of that, they chose an absolutely ludicrous clown for President,

You think this only because you disagree with his strong policies and can't believe he's actually making them stick. He's going to get this second pick and a strong GOP senate to enact the rest of his policies in November. 

a clown who is apparently entangled with Russia to a dangerous degree.

If it were so apparent you could have offered any evidence to prove that statement. You can't. Neither can Mueller who has significantly more resources than you have. This statement makes you delusional or a flat out liar. I don't really care which one it is.

Trump is the POTUS. He's going to be there for another 6+ years. Get over it.  8)
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 10, 2018, 03:31:15 AM
Mornac sure disappeared from this thread.
--I'm in France at the moment. The time zone doesn't exactly make it easy to stay in the thick of a conversation in North America. I don't believe I left any loose ends here anyway. Did you have a particular question?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Mornac on July 10, 2018, 03:34:13 AM
They're all fascists and the only language they will understand is crushing defeat. Unless and until we crush 5hem they will continue to drag us down lower and lower and lower.

Fascism is subversive.
--You've been unable to discuss anything with me for more than a year. That's your choice, not mine. Whenever you're feeling up to it, I'll be right here.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 10:16:50 AM
Here's the thing: it doesn't require changing the Constitution, as I told Mornac earlier.

The Republicans are getting what they deserve for the way they treated Obama for 8 years, and still do.  They should have thought about that.

On top of that, they chose an absolutely ludicrous clown for President, a clown who is apparently entangled with Russia to a dangerous degree.

If the cowardly republicans did anything to Obama during those eight years it was at the demands of their constituency.     If you don't mind...remind  me what they did.  I saw cowardice the entire time. I saw kowtowing to him because they were afraid of the media attacks. 

Additionally.  it was not the repubs that chose The Donald. IT was the American people.  And he would not have won if Obama was a well liked as the media would have us believe.   I would not call republicans happy with a Trump Presidency.  They are as embedded in the Deep STate Elite political family dynasties as the democrats are.  The American people are disgusted with both parties.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 10, 2018, 01:16:35 PM
If the cowardly republicans did anything to Obama during those eight years it was at the demands of their constituency.     If you don't mind...remind  me what they did.  I saw cowardice the entire time. I saw kowtowing to him because they were afraid of the media attacks. 

Additionally.  it was not the repubs that chose The Donald. IT was the American people.  And he would not have won if Obama was a well liked as the media would have us believe.   I would not call republicans happy with a Trump Presidency.  They are as embedded in the Deep STate Elite political family dynasties as the democrats are.  The American people are disgusted with both parties.

Wow!  Okay, never mind.  I've had as much as I can stand, again.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 10, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Wow!  Okay, never mind.  I've had as much as I can stand, again.

I have studied cult behavior, mental illness, and addiction as part of my vocation. I do guardianships and special needs planning.

There is only so much one can do. About 70% of them recover. It's debatable whether treatment helps. 30% of them are reprobates and any attention you give them is just enabling. The only language they understand is being crushed like a bug, which of course would be an elevation for them.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 04:27:58 PM
I have studied cult behavior, mental illness, and addiction as part of my vocation. I do guardianships and special needs planning.

There is only so much one can do. About 70% of them recover. It's debatable whether treatment helps. 30% of them are reprobates and any attention you give them is just enabling. The only language they understand is being crushed like a bug, which of course would be an elevation for them.

you know...the ones that enjoy studying mental illness, addiction and anti-social behavior are the ones that exhibit that behavior and are looking for the means to heal themselves.

LOLOLOL

BUSTED.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 04:32:21 PM
Wow!  Okay, never mind.  I've had as much as I can stand, again.

okay.  i'm not exactly what it is you want me to say here?   Is it that you want me to agree with you?  I don't.   I am engaging in a conversation which I thought you were engaging in also.   
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 04:36:17 PM
Article I. It was made Article I for a reason. Congress was to be the most powerful branch of government.

You know that and you're right, Mornac has no idea.

no. one branch was not intended to be stronger than the others.  They are Separate BUT EQUAL.

https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/articles/teaching-content/three-branches-separate-equal/ (https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/articles/teaching-content/three-branches-separate-equal/)
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 10, 2018, 07:50:45 PM
okay.  i'm not exactly what it is you want me to say here?   Is it that you want me to agree with you?  I don't.   I am engaging in a conversation which I thought you were engaging in also.

I don't want you to say anything.  There's just more craziness in your posts than I want to bother responding to.  Additionally, you've apparently conveniently forgotten how Obama was treated for 8 years, or it didn't bother you for your own crazy reasons.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 10, 2018, 09:14:48 PM
I don't want you to say anything.  There's just more craziness in your posts than I want to bother responding to.  Additionally, you've apparently conveniently forgotten how Obama was treated for 8 years, or it didn't bother you for your own crazy reasons.

How much more do you need to see before you realize that Caroline is a sociopath?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 10, 2018, 09:17:12 PM
How much more do you need to see before you realize that Caroline is a sociopath?

I've realized it for some time.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 09:30:56 PM
I don't want you to say anything.  There's just more craziness in your posts than I want to bother responding to.  Additionally, you've apparently conveniently forgotten how Obama was treated for 8 years, or it didn't bother you for your own crazy reasons.

You've yet to tell me how he was treated for 8 years.  Was he run out of restaurants?   Did republicans tell their constituency to drive democrats out of the public sphere.  What exactly was done to him?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 10, 2018, 09:48:12 PM
I've realized it for some time.

And you know that there is no cure. Anything you offer to Caroline will be used against you, if it suits her purposes.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 10, 2018, 09:56:24 PM
You've yet to tell me how he was treated for 8 years.  Was he run out of restaurants?   Did republicans tell their constituency to drive democrats out of the public sphere.  What exactly was done to him?

Assuming you're older than 2, you lived through it just as did we all.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 10, 2018, 10:07:31 PM
Assuming you're older than 2, you lived through it just as did we all.

Yes but unlike you she has spent her whole life being full of shit up to her eyeballs.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 10:26:16 PM
I've realized it for some time.

oh...color ME stupid.   here I thought we could have some sort of cordial relationship but apparently that is only if I am agreeing with you 100%.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 10:28:42 PM
Assuming you're older than 2, you lived through it just as did we all.

 How can I respond to you if you won't be specific?   
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 10:33:27 PM
Here's what I saw.  Is this what you're referring to?

#1, Did not give him the praise and worship that lefties felt he deserved, which is RACIST!

 #2. Criticized his left wing policies, which is, of course, RACIST!

 #3. STILL won't confirm that Hussein, was the GREATEST PRESIDENT, EVER (Because they are RACIST!

 #4. Made mocking images of him, which, unlike making mocking images of Trump, is clearly RACIST!

 #5. Called him "socialist," which, is clearly RACIST!

 #6. Did not vote for his Socialist policies, which, is clearly RACIST!
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 10, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
How can I respond to you if you won't be specific?

I don't know what you think I'm expecting a response to.  I've already tried to tell you I'm not interested in having this discussion with you.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 10, 2018, 10:41:13 PM
I don't know what you think I'm expecting a response to.  I've already tried to tell you I'm not interested in having this discussion with you.

but you were happy to have a discussion with me as I supported your child.     See..now that to me says hypocrisy.

But you go ahead.   That's alright.  I've learned a valuable lesson.  and that's right.  our conversation is over now.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 10, 2018, 10:46:36 PM
but you were happy to have a discussion with me as I supported your child.     See..now that to me says hypocrisy.

But you go ahead.   That's alright.  I've learned a valuable lesson.

I appreciate your support of my child.  I really do.  That doesn't mean I want to discuss every crazy topic with you.  It's not personal, I just don't see the value in discussing topics that we start out on light years apart. 

I am interested in discussing the SCOTUS and the Constitution, but you don't seem to be interested in that.

Again, I do appreciate your support of my child.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 12:37:02 AM
Here's what I saw.  Is this what you're referring to?

#1, Did not give him the praise and worship that lefties felt he deserved, which is RACIST!

 #2. Criticized his left wing policies, which is, of course, RACIST!

 #3. STILL won't confirm that Hussein, was the GREATEST PRESIDENT, EVER (Because they are RACIST!

 #4. Made mocking images of him, which, unlike making mocking images of Trump, is clearly RACIST!

 #5. Called him "socialist," which, is clearly RACIST!

 #6. Did not vote for his Socialist policies, which, is clearly RACIST!

Okay, I'm capable of changing my mind:

Republicans in Congress did everything they possibly could to obstruct everything he tried to do.  Even if it was something they would have normally supported, they refused to allow him to have any accomplishments to the degree that they could.

A SCOTUS pick that was rightfully his was stolen from him!  So if Dems in the future choose to change the structure of the Court (a faint chance in my opinion), you can thank Mitch for throwing out all of the rules.

He was hung and burned in effigy from nooses!

His children were attacked by conservative pundits on several occasions, in some cases speculating about their sexuality!

Michelle was attacked fairly relentlessly, in some cases compared to an ape!

A Republican yelled out "You Lie!" during the SOTU address!!

Gov. Jan Brewer confronted him at the Phoenix airport, wagging her finger in his face.

The constant unfounded allegations that he was a Muslim.

The constant allegations, including by the current President, that he was not born in this country.  (Whatever became of Trump's investigation in Hawaii that was turning up stuff we wouldn't believe?)

Crazy right-wing claims that he would become a dictator and never allow any more elections.

Claims that he was sympathetic to Muslim terrorists.

Doug Lamborn called Obama a "tar baby".

Speaker Boener invited a foreign head of state (Netanyahu) to address a joint session of Congress without consulting the President.

And yes, of course, there was a constant undertone of racism throughout.  You right wingers still represent his time in office as an economic disaster, inexplicably so in light of the cold hard facts.  We went from losing 750,000 jobs/month to creating ~120,000 or so per month.  The stock market hit new record highs, and the unemployment rate continued to drop, even if stubbornly so.  Unemployment is a lagging indicator during an economic recovery.    We had good relations with our NATO allies and weren't on the verge of a nuclear conflict with North Korea, and we weren't waging a stupid trade war, which is continuing to escalate as I write this.

Despite all of the above, Obama kept his cool and remained calm and collected (I could not have done the same), while maintaining a scandal-free administration.  And we had a classy positive example of a family in the White House.

The rights of historically marginalized groups were being expanded, rather than contracting as they are now.  I know right-wingers don't like that.  Privilege is for white people, especially white men.

You'll no doubt point out things he/they did wrong, but of course they weren't perfect.  No one is, and everyone makes mistakes.  But there is a vast difference between that and what we have now.  There is no comparison.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 11, 2018, 07:25:17 AM
I appreciate your support of my child.  I really do.  That doesn't mean I want to discuss every crazy topic with you.  It's not personal, I just don't see the value in discussing topics that we start out on light years apart. 

I am interested in discussing the SCOTUS and the Constitution, but you don't seem to be interested in that.

Again, I do appreciate your support of my child.

If she is a sociopath, as we have agreed, she has no empathy. The fact that she has thrown her "support" in your face this way is manipulative. Hence I use the scare quotes.

True empathy would be unconditional.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2018, 09:43:07 AM
If she is a sociopath, as we have agreed, she has no empathy. The fact that she has thrown her "support" in your face this way is manipulative. Hence I use the scare quotes.

True empathy would be unconditional.

don't you dare stray from the party line SC.    You've seen it in the past when you've veered off course.   They'll come after you.  Can't have that. 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2018, 10:11:50 AM
man!   just because Obama says something does not make it Absolute truth.   He did NOT have a scandal free administration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_controversies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_controversies)

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/obama-administration-stonewalled-inspectors-general/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/obama-administration-stonewalled-inspectors-general/)
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: hurricanehook on July 11, 2018, 10:16:14 AM
don't you dare stray from the party line SC.    You've seen it in the past when you've veered off course.   They'll come after you.  Can't have that.

libass has the true to life dissociative identity disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder).
he pretends to be Ismael Adame, a vile and disgusting personality.

Symptoms may include:

* The individual experiences two or more distinct identities or personality states (each with its own enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to, and thinking about the environment and self). Some cultures describe this as an experience of possession.

*The disruption in identity involves a change in sense of self, sense of agency, and changes in behavior, consciousness, memory, perception, cognition, and motor function.

*Frequent gaps are found in memories of personal history, including people, places, and events, for both the distant and recent past. These recurrent gaps are not consistent with ordinary forgetting.

*These symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
Particular identities may emerge in specific circumstances.

*Transitions from one identity to another are often triggered by psychosocial stress. In the possession-form cases of dissociative identity disorder, alternate identities are visibly obvious to people around the individual. In non-possession-form cases, most individuals do not overtly display their change in identity for long periods of time.

*People with DID may describe feeling that they have suddenly become depersonalized observers of their own speech and actions. They might report hearing voices (a child's voice, the voice of a spiritual power), and in some cases, these voices accompany multiple streams of thought that the individual has no control over. The individual might also experience sudden impulses or strong emotions that they don't feel control or a sense of ownership over. People may also report that their bodies suddenly feel different (like a small child, huge and muscular), or that they experience a sudden shift in attitudes or personal preferences before shifting back.

*Sometimes with DID experience dissociative fugues, where they discover they have traveled but have no recollection of the experience. People vary in their awareness of their amnesias, and it is common for people with DID to minimize their amnestic symptoms, even when the lapses in memory are obvious and distressing to others.

*More than 70 percent of people with DID have attempted suicide, and self-injurious behavior is common among this population. Treatment is crucial to improving quality of life and preventing suicide attempts.


GET HELP LIBASS!!!!! (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder)
 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2018, 11:16:25 AM
darn...that is some scary stuff.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 11:40:19 AM
man!   just because Obama says something does not make it Absolute truth.   He did NOT have a scandal free administration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_controversies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Obama_administration_controversies)

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/obama-administration-stonewalled-inspectors-general/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/obama-administration-stonewalled-inspectors-general/)

Controversies are not the same thing as scandals.  Trump's meeting with the NK dictator is a controversy, not a scandal.  Trump's family profiting from his presidency, his collusion with Putin, his campaign manager being in bed with Russians, his payoff under the table to porn stars, the behavior of his EPA administrator, those are scandals.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 11, 2018, 11:45:35 AM
Controversies are not the same thing as scandals.  Trump's meeting with the NK dictator is a controversy, not a scandal.  Trump's family profiting from his presidency, his collusion with Putin, his campaign manager being in bed with Russians, his payoff under the table to porn stars, the behavior of his EPA administrator, those are scandals.

Caroline is a pathological liar and a racist.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2018, 12:32:52 PM
Controversies are not the same thing as scandals.  Trump's meeting with the NK dictator is a controversy, not a scandal.  Trump's family profiting from his presidency, his collusion with Putin, his campaign manager being in bed with Russians, his payoff under the table to porn stars, the behavior of his EPA administrator, those are scandals.

I love how the left parses words and changes definitions.   Fast and furious is a scandal.   Obama sanctioned IRS targetting right wing groups is a scandal.   corruption in the FiB and DoJ and CYA are scandals, Benghazi is a scandal but what difference does that make at this point,  Obama's associations with terrorist Bill Ayers and wife is a scandal, Obama and Jarrett's slumlord work in Chicago is a scandal, Giving billions to Iran is a scandal knowing full well they'll target our military s a scandal, Giving them the money to make nukes is a scandal, Giving 2500 Iranian officials and families US citizenship IS A SCANDAL, The number of child abusers and sexual abusers in the Obama administration is a scandal, Ignoring Congress and ruling by EO is a scandal,  lying to get obamacare passed and lying to get the iran nuke deal     passed are BOTH SCANDALS...and I can go on and on and on. There is stuff this anti America radical did that will take years to resolve. Ordering spying on a political candidate and president is a scandal.   
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 12:36:52 PM
I love how the left parses words and changes definitions.   Fast and furious is a scandal.   Obama sanctioned IRS targetting right wing groups is a scandal.   corruption in the FiB and DoJ and CYA are scandals, Benghazi is a scandal but what difference does that make at this point,  Obama's associations with terrorist Bill Ayers and wife is a scandal, Obama and Jarrett's slumlord work in Chicago is a scandal, Giving billions to Iran is a scandal knowing full well they'll target our military s a scandal, Giving them the money to make nukes is a scandal, Giving 2500 Iranian officials and families US citizenship IS A SCANDAL, The number of child abusers and sexual abusers in the Obama administration is a scandal, Ignoring Congress and ruling by EO is a scandal,  lying to get obamacare passed and lying to get the iran nuke deal     passed are BOTH SCANDALS...and I can go on and on and on. There is stuff this anti America radical did that will take years to resolve.

There's no changing of definitions.  Controversy and Scandal mean what they mean.  Yes, at least most of these would be scandals, if they were all real.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 11, 2018, 01:49:19 PM
There's no changing of definitions.  Controversy and Scandal mean what they mean.  Yes, at least most of these would be scandals, if they were all real.

The problem is that they're not real. Of course that makes your point about "conservatives." If you want to know how they got #Hitler, my theory is that they engaged in all of these lies and phony scandals, like birtherism, and they appealed to their racist base, and that paved the way for a demagogue and a grifter like #Hitler. Low level assholes like Caroline eat it up.

"Supply-side economics" is a lie. Climate science denial is a lie. "Creation science" is a lie. Think tank wankers from the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, and other phony institutions are paid big money to concoct all manner of lies and cult blather. Fox News is known to be a source of all kinds of lies. The list of "conservative" lying goes on and on and on and on.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2018, 02:07:30 PM
Well I guess Obama CAN say he has had no scandals if you guys refuse to even see what he's done.   

  Just know that Hillary would be president if Obama had been the bestest president evah.  You got over half the country that definitely disagrees with you.  There's a clue in there.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 02:11:07 PM
Well I guess Obama CAN say he has had no scandals if you guys refuse to even see what he's done.   

  Just know that Hillary would be president if Obama had been the bestest president evah.  You got over half the country that definitely disagrees with you.  There's a clue in there.

So, you were pestering me for a list of what the Right did to Obama and I provided one.  To what end?  Was there any more you wanted to say about it?
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 11, 2018, 02:32:35 PM
So, you were pestering me for a list of what the Right did to Obama and I provided one.  To what end?  Was there any more you wanted to say about it?

The bitch claims she has "more than half the country," which also is a baldfaced lie.

She has stated her purpose here. She is here to troll. Why?

Who cares?

But I do like these discussions with you. I hope you don't mind me butting in.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 02:35:26 PM
The bitch claims she has "more than half the country," which also is a baldfaced lie.

She has stated her purpose here. She is here to troll. Why?

Who cares?

But I do like these discussions with you. I hope you don't mind me butting in.

No, not at all.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 02:37:10 PM
No, not at all.

I'm just trying to keep my thread the Most Popular Topic.   8)
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 11, 2018, 02:42:21 PM
I'm just trying to keep my thread the Most Popular Topic.   8)

Cool. And I like calling Caroline a.sociopath and a liar.

It's a win-win.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 11, 2018, 03:07:26 PM
She's wrong about everything she posts and she knows it full well.  That's the way they all are.  The profess to detest liars, yet they worship the world's biggest liar.  They're fakes.  They come here to be jerks.  I posted a list of Drumpf's biggest whoppers compiled by NBC news and Holly bare ass drew lines through it.  That's their level of debate.  Pepsi complained that my bum bum pics distracted from discussion.  There is no discussion with them.  That's how I know they're divorced.  No human being could stand living with them for long.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
She's wrong about everything she posts and she knows it full well.  That's the way they all are.  The profess to detest liars, yet they worship the world's biggest liar.  They're fakes.  They come here to be jerks.  I posted a list of Drumpf's biggest whoppers compiled by NBC news and Holly bare ass drew lines through it.  That's their level of debate.  Pepsi complained that my bum bum pics distracted from discussion.  There is no discussion with them.  That's how I know they're divorced.  No human being could stand living with them for long.

I'm not sure they have the facilities to know full well when they're wrong, but they are indeed wrong about just about everything they post, for sure.  And it doesn't seem to do any good to post facts.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 11, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
They'll dismiss factual sourcing as "fake news," or they'll draw lines through the article followed by a grinning emoticon, or else they'll abscond without following up on their gaffe.  Their idea of reliable sourcing is "Daily Caller" or "Church Militant." 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 03:37:57 PM
They'll dismiss factual sourcing as "fake news," or they'll draw lines through the article followed by a grinning emoticon, or else they'll abscond without following up on their gaffe.  Their idea of reliable sourcing is "Daily Caller" or "Church Militant."

Yep.  They all just dropped the topic of whether or not the number of justices on the SCOTUS is fixed by the Constitution (it's not).  CJ even posted a bunch of related information that she didn't understand, to "prove" their point.  Mornac didn't understand it either.  I just wonder if they still think they're correct or if they're just too embarrassed to discuss it any further, but the fact that they tried to use information to bolster their case that neither of them understood is what makes me think they often just don't have the facilities to know when they're full of shit.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 11, 2018, 03:41:42 PM
I especially like how they know positively that Robert Mueller will have nothing on Trump.  It's magical how they get their inside information on the FBI.  They are fully versed in investigative procedures.  They spent years watching HIllary grilled over Ben Ghazi, and now after just over a year, they conclude that Mueller has nothing, keeping in mind that Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort have yet to testify, and that Mueller himself is a Republican, as is James Comey. 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Lt. Columbo on July 11, 2018, 03:46:59 PM
Yep.  They all just dropped the topic of whether or not the number of justices on the SCOTUS is fixed by the Constitution (it's not).  CJ even posted a bunch of related information that she didn't understand, to "prove" their point.  Mornac didn't understand it either.  I just wonder if they still think they're correct or if they're just too embarrassed to discuss it any further, but the fact that they tried to use information to bolster their case that neither of them understood is what makes me think they often just don't have the facilities to know when they're full of shit.

A little like Hurricanehook explaining how matter can be created from nothing.  He cites a story which he has no understanding of, and even mispronounces Stephen Hawking as Hawkins and blames it on a "typo."  That the idea completely violates the 1st law of thermodynamics doesn't matter to him.  Calypso believes in the existence of satan. They're kooks, all.  This is what Hillary meant by deplorables.  She was spot on. 
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2018, 03:48:24 PM
I'm just trying to keep my thread the Most Popular Topic.   8)

It certainly started out negative enough.   no....what rhalb is  tryng to do  is to keep his side intact.  You can't have anyone on the left being civil to the other side here.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 03:50:20 PM
no....what you're tryng to do  is to keep your side intact.  You can't have anyone on the left being civil to the other side here.

No, I'm not concerned about that.  Your comment might be more applicable to someone else, but not so much to me.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: Calypso Jones on July 11, 2018, 03:52:26 PM
No, I'm not concerned about that.  Your comment might be more applicable to someone else, but not so much to me.

I wasn't necessarily responding to you, see corrected post above. more to libahs.  I just picked up your quote by mistake.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 11, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
I especially like how they know positively that Robert Mueller will have nothing on Trump.  It's magical how they get their inside information on the FBI.  They are fully versed in investigative procedures.  They spent years watching HIllary grilled over Ben Ghazi, and now after just over a year, they conclude that Mueller has nothing, keeping in mind that Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort have yet to testify, and that Mueller himself is a Republican, as is James Comey.

Some researchers studied the "backfire effect" and found that the more vigorously you argue facts with them, the tighter they hold onto their falsehoods.  So it's futile, which is why I quit doing it for the most part.  Instead of a battle, you have to frame it as a sort of partnership in which you are both trying to figure out the right answer.  That's never going to happen here.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 11, 2018, 04:03:46 PM
I'm not sure they have the facilities to know full well when they're wrong, but they are indeed wrong about just about everything they post, for sure.  And it doesn't seem to do any good to post facts.

They don't care. They don't care about their own lying. They don't care about their cult leader's incessant lying or even his treason.

They are cult followers and they are sociopaths.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 11, 2018, 04:06:06 PM
Some researchers studied the "backfire effect" and found that the more vigorously you argue facts with them, the tighter they hold onto their falsehoods.  So it's futile, which is why I quit doing it for the most part.  Instead of a battle, you have to frame it as a sort of partnership in which you are both trying to figure out the right answer.  That's never going to happen here.

And there is no cure for a sociopath. Treatment just makes them better sociopaths because they learn techniques for taking advantage of others, the way Caroline tried to play on you. Any information you give them will be used against you, if it suits their purpose. This is why you give a sociopath like Caroline as little information as possible and avoid them like the plague.

Because that's what Caroline is, a plague.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: TheFederalist on July 15, 2018, 06:40:06 AM
I'm not sure they have the facilities to know full well when they're wrong, but they are indeed wrong about just about everything they post, for sure.  And it doesn't seem to do any good to post facts.

And who again did you think was going to win the presidential election 2016? In the case of Liberal members who were members at the time, The believed Clinton was going to win the election, even though many of the Conservatives on this forum pointed out exactly where they had it wrong.

Just as their claims that Conservatives were wrong about Clinton losing the election, You and the same people that got it so wrong before are getting it all wrong again.

As president, Obama was caught sporting wood to press during a flight on Air force one. Of course Trump making a stupid statement posturing as an alpha male makes you hypocrites call foul.

Obama also made fun of people who compete in the Special Olympics. Of course Trump makes a comment about a reporter taken out of context and you hypocrites call foul.

Children are separated from their parents at the border under Obama administration.... Not a word from you SJW snowflakes. Trump's administration follows the same protocols and you hypocrites call anyone supporting the policy non-christian or monsters .Of course no one's talking about the children they've had to maintain custody of because the DNA tests showed the adults were not the children's  parents and in other cases the parent had an extensive criminal record, in some cases including child abuse.

Obama tells one of Putin's people that he'll be more flexible after the election to deal with Putin... He signs off on a deal with Uranium one to control 20% of US mined plutonium..... Gives them a reset button... And you morons believe that Trump is colluding with Russia.... with zero evidence, Just the delusions your cult leaders have fed you.



You guys don't post facts.. You have none. It's all bullshit opinion and delusion.

Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 15, 2018, 11:58:34 AM
And who again did you think was going to win the presidential election 2016? In the case of Liberal members who were members at the time, The believed Clinton was going to win the election, even though many of the Conservatives on this forum pointed out exactly where they had it wrong.

Just as their claims that Conservatives were wrong about Clinton losing the election, You and the same people that got it so wrong before are getting it all wrong again.

As president, Obama was caught sporting wood to press during a flight on Air force one. Of course Trump making a stupid statement posturing as an alpha male makes you hypocrites call foul.

Obama also made fun of people who compete in the Special Olympics. Of course Trump makes a comment about a reporter taken out of context and you hypocrites call foul.

Children are separated from their parents at the border under Obama administration.... Not a word from you SJW snowflakes. Trump's administration follows the same protocols and you hypocrites call anyone supporting the policy non-christian or monsters .Of course no one's talking about the children they've had to maintain custody of because the DNA tests showed the adults were not the children's  parents and in other cases the parent had an extensive criminal record, in some cases including child abuse.

Obama tells one of Putin's people that he'll be more flexible after the election to deal with Putin... He signs off on a deal with Uranium one to control 20% of US mined plutonium..... Gives them a reset button... And you morons believe that Trump is colluding with Russia.... with zero evidence, Just the delusions your cult leaders have fed you.



You guys don't post facts.. You have none. It's all bullshit opinion and delusion.

Almost complete bullshit.  All you have to do is compare the basic human character of the two men to know most of this is bullshit.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: RealityHasALiberalBias on July 15, 2018, 12:07:09 PM
Komrad Federov, your boss hacked our election. Is he going to turn over 12 GRU pukes?

Think of how awesome our spooks are to track down your komrades like that, by name and with precise details.

And you know your komrades didnt have that kind of timing without #Hitler help.

You better turn yourself in to Mueller while you still have time to cop a plea.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: TheFederalist on July 16, 2018, 01:47:25 AM
Almost complete bullshit.  All you have to do is compare the basic human character of the two men to know most of this is bullshit.

You're entitled to your opinion in regards to both of these individuals. The difference is, I can see that they are both imperfect human beings and decide to focus on their policies. Obama had weak socialist policies. Trump has strong capitalist policies. The rest of the made up bullshit by the left is nonsense ramblings of a spoiled child from an era of participation trophies and television overload.
Title: Re: Happy 4th of July?
Post by: TheFederalist on July 16, 2018, 01:58:02 AM
Komrad Federov, your boss hacked our election. Is he going to turn over 12 GRU pukes?

I do not have a boss, clown shoe. Nor do I have any ties to Russia. Neither does the president, which is why there has been no credible evidence released or leaked. It's your delusion, Nothing more.

Think of how awesome our spooks are to track down your komrades like that, by name and with precise details.

"Spooks"..... I knew you were a racist. How telling it is you would use a racially charged term rather than CIA agent or Spy.

And you know your komrades didnt have that kind of timing without #Hitler help.

Now you're just getting really stupid. And antisemitic to boot.  Damn man... Your sickness and delusions are getting worse.

You better turn yourself in to Mueller while you still have time to cop a plea.

You should turn yourself into a medical ward for treatment. You're a very sick man, or woman, that needs help immediately. My poor, poor little clown shoe.