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Music, Movies, TV, Art / Re: More Best of the 80s
« on: February 13, 2008, 08:27:38 PM »
Killing Joke - Eighties

one of my favorite songs of the eighties.. eighties

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Foreign Policy / Re: Study: False statements preceded war
« on: February 13, 2008, 07:47:57 PM »
Can we assum that Bush would not have invaded Iraq if 911 had not occurred?  I think the plans had been on the drawing boards since the close of Gulf I, maybe even longer than than.  IMO Iraq was just part of the qrand scheme of Wolfowitz and the other neocons.

Your opinion is supported by a wealth of evidence.

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Foreign Policy / Re: Study: False statements preceded war
« on: February 13, 2008, 04:44:40 PM »
Neither one of those statements claims Iraq was involved in the planning or execution of the attacks of 11 Sep 01.

Your argument is worse than "depends on the definition of is is".   

Seriously.   Yes, he did not say it specifically - of course, a presidents words are chosen very carefully.   And the linkage was made -  he insinuated it.  He said very plainly that the invasion of Iraq, in both quotes I reference above, that 911 was the cause and invading Iraq was the effect.

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Election 2008 / Re: Poll: Obama Takes 4 Point Lead Over Hillary In Iowa
« on: February 13, 2008, 04:33:55 PM »
Looks like democrats every where are determined to give republicans the best shot they can at the white house

I still don't understand your logic here.   Obama is pulling a lot of independents and even republicans which Hillary would not.   Obama is out polling Hillary against McCain in a big way as well.   

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Foreign Policy / Re: Study: False statements preceded war
« on: February 13, 2008, 05:40:44 AM »
The Administration never said it had anything to do with the attacks of 11 Sep 01. I don't see why people keep trying to claim it was, unless they are either nuts, stupid or just trying to undermine the United States Government.

Of course they did.   Everyone knows this.   

Here's the letter the president sent to congress on the eve of the Iraq invasion:

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Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH
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here is a cut from Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech:

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Remarks by President Bush announcing the end of major combat operations in Iraq Thursday evening from the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln:

The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001, and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men ? the shock troops of a hateful ideology ? gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the "beginning of the end of America." By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed.

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These are just two examples out of probably hundreds.    You are patently, obviously, embarrassingly wrong, as demonstrated by the above.  I can provide many more examples.

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Election 2008 / Re: Poll: Obama Takes 4 Point Lead Over Hillary In Iowa
« on: February 13, 2008, 04:49:43 AM »
I wish there was something to this but there isn't.

The sisterhood will crush Obama* like the bug he is and any male Republican candidate unfortunate enough to get the nomination.

It won't be close.



another theory down the dust

In Virginia, Obama Has Big Lead Over Hillary -- Among Women

A key question for tonight: Will Obama show a capacity to cut into Hillary's core constituency groups?

Well, according to early exit polls cited by Fox News, Obama holds a massive lead in Virginia over Hillary among women, 58%-42%.


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The Media / Hillary rips MSNBC's Shuster
« on: February 10, 2008, 06:31:15 PM »
She's right to draw the line and make a stink about this imo.     And I like Shuster's reporting

Hillary rips MSNBC's Shuster


ORONO, Maine ? Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday morning ripped MSNBC over reporter David Shuster?s suggestion that Chelsea Clinton was ?sort of being pimped out? by the campaign.

?I found the remarks incredibly offensive,? Clinton told reporters in this snowy town outside Bangor. Earlier, she sent a letter to NBC brass that called for swift action against Shuster, who was suspended Friday by MSNBC.

?Nothing justifies the kind of debasing language that David Shuster used and no temporary suspension or half-hearted apology is sufficient,? Clinton wrote to NBC News President Steve Capus, who apparently had already called Clinton to personally apologize.

?I would urge you to look at the pattern of behavior on your network that seems to repeatedly lead to this sort of degrading language,? Clinton wrote. ?There?s a lot at stake for our country in this election. Surely, you can do your jobs as journalists and commentators and still keep the discourse civil and appropriate.?

NBC did not immediately respond to an e-mailed request for comment.

The letter and harsh rebuke followed similar comments made by her top advisers and came a day after Shuster issued an on-air apology and was suspended.

The hubbub started Thursday, when Shuster guest-hosted Tucker Carlson?s MSNBC show, ?Tucker.?  In a discussion about Chelsea Clinton?s role in calling superdelegates on behalf of her mother?s presidential campaign, he asked whether she was ?sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way.?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8412.html

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Music, Movies, TV, Art / Re: More Best of the 80s
« on: February 08, 2008, 08:25:08 AM »
Ministry - Revenge

How many nights we danced to this one..

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Can't someone just blow it up?

look at the graphic toward the left.   You can't blow up the ocean  :P

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Election 2008 / Re: Obama Claims 9-Delegate Win for Super Tuesday
« on: February 07, 2008, 07:18:32 AM »
Yeah, it's a confusing process.   I'm going to take the optimistic count  8)

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Plastic Waste Soup in Pacific Grows to Twice Size of U.S




A "plastic soup" of waste floating in the Pacific Ocean is growing at an alarming rate and now covers an area twice the size of the continental United States, scientists have said.

The vast expanse of debris ? in effect the world's largest rubbish dump ? is held in place by swirling underwater currents. This drifting "soup" stretches from about 500 nautical miles off the Californian coast, across the northern Pacific, past Hawaii and almost as far as Japan.

Charles Moore, an American oceanographer who discovered the "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" or "trash vortex", believes that about 100 million tons of flotsam are circulating in the region. Marcus Eriksen, a research director of the US-based Algalita Marine Research Foundation, which Mr Moore founded, said yesterday: "The original idea that people had was that it was an island of plastic garbage that you could almost walk on. It is not quite like that. It is almost like a plastic soup. It is endless for an area that is maybe twice the size as continental United States."

Curtis Ebbesmeyer, an oceanographer and leading authority on flotsam, has tracked the build-up of plastics in the seas for more than 15 years and compares the trash vortex to a living entity: "It moves around like a big animal without a leash." When that animal comes close to land, as it does at the Hawaiian archipelago, the results are dramatic. "The garbage patch barfs, and you get a beach covered with this confetti of plastic," he added.

The "soup" is actually two linked areas, either side of the islands of Hawaii, known as the Western and Eastern Pacific Garbage Patches. About one-fifth of the junk ? which includes everything from footballs and kayaks to Lego blocks and carrier bags ? is thrown off ships or oil platforms. The rest comes from land.

Mr Moore, a former sailor, came across the sea of waste by chance in 1997, while taking a short cut home from a Los Angeles to Hawaii yacht race. He had steered his craft into the "North Pacific gyre" ? a vortex where the ocean circulates slowly because of little wind and extreme high pressure systems. Usually sailors avoid it.

He was astonished to find himself surrounded by rubbish, day after day, thousands of miles from land. "Every time I came on deck, there was trash floating by," he said in an interview. "How could we have fouled such a huge area? How could this go on for a week?"

Mr Moore, the heir to a family fortune from the oil industry, subsequently sold his business interests and became an environmental activist. He warned yesterday that unless consumers cut back on their use of disposable plastics, the plastic stew would double in size over the next decade.

independent.co.uk

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Humor / Prank in Grand Central
« on: February 06, 2008, 08:39:00 PM »
Small | Large

3Prank in Grand Central

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Election 2008 / Obama Claims 9-Delegate Win for Super Tuesday
« on: February 06, 2008, 05:08:39 PM »
Gobama!

Obama Claims 9-Delegate Win for Super Tuesday

Barack Obama's Campaign wants to make his Super Tuesday victory official

Campaign Manager David Plouffe says that Obama won 9 more delegates than Hillary Clinton on Tuesday, based on a pledged delegate estimate conducted overnight by analysts in the campaign's Chicago "boiler room." Obama won 845 delegates to Clinton's 836, according to Obama's data team, which includes Democratic targeting buff Ken Strasma and delegate expert Jeff Berman, who caused the AP to reverse its Nevada delegate estimate a few weeks back.

"By winning a majority of delegates and a majority of the states, Barack Obama won an important Super Tuesday victory over Senator Clinton in the closest thing we have to a national primary," Plouffe told reporters on Wednesday. Senior Clinton strategists depicted Clinton as an energized underdog in a media conference call on Wednesday, contending that voters are rejecting Obama's "establishment" campaign.

The Clinton Campaign has not released its own estimate, so Obama's spreadsheet may be all we have to go on for a while. These numbers refer to Super Tuesday only -- not to the total count of delegates from prior states or the party's mercurial, "elite contingent" of superdelegates.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080206/cm_thenation/15281018

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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Waste of Taxpayer Money Since Iraq
« on: February 06, 2008, 09:20:33 AM »
I suppose she needs plenty of police protection being a celebrity.. but a helicopter??   

I think there should be a law celebrities are responsible for their own security over and above what a "normal" person would get.

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Music, Movies, TV, Art / Re: Best of the 70's
« on: February 04, 2008, 08:36:17 PM »
Everything I ever liked is still good to me.   I loved this song, still do

Sniff & The Tears - Drivers Seat

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