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'why didn't Obama do something to stop the Russians from helping Trump win the election' is a good question to ask.    I suspect he didn't want to appear as trying to help Hillary in the general election.    That is what Republicans would have accused him of.    Trump said openly "Russia if you are listening.. hack Clinton's email" and the Russians hacked the DNC email server not long after.   Should Obama have had Trump arrested on the spot to stop the collusion happening in broad daylight?

I think the reason Obama did nothing was because Russia's interference (except for hacking the DNC) wasn't uncommon as far as what other countries do during elections.

The other thing is -- the Obamas and the Clintons didn't care for each other. Lots of bad blood between the two. Even though Obama gave Hillary the Sec of State position, I don't think she ever got over losing to him in the primary. I remember watching Bill Clinton on a talk show before Chelsea got married and the question was raised as to why the Obamas were not invited to the wedding since so many other top political personalities were invited. Bill just laughed it off and said "It's Chelsea's wedding and she can invite whoever she likes."

I honestly think the Obamas are better people than the Clintons are, but I don't think Obama felt like going out of his way to help someone (Hillary) who treated his family so poorly. Just my thoughts, but there's a book about it -- "Blood Feud."

General Discussion / Re: The United States is broken
« on: May 02, 2019, 03:44:56 PM »
I dunno.

I've heard this before -- someone becomes disgruntled with something or another and promises to leave the country. I remember some promising to do just that if Obama was elected. Others if Trump was elected. But, they're still here.

A few will leave. Most will stay. More will come.

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

The emboldened part is all you need to know.

What the fuck are you talking about?  I never said that Mueller would "file charges".  His mandate prohibited him from doing so;  but Congress can.  They probably won't, but they can.

Mueller specifically said that his report DOES NOT EXONERATE Trump of obstruction.  And now Barr is on the hook and getting chastised by Mueller for misrepresenting his findings.  I know you live in an alternate universe but even you take a reality pill once in awhile.


So defensive!

You said, "As for obstruction? Mueller's already got that."

You also said, " If Mueller makes a determination that there was Obstruction of Justice (and I believe he will based on what we already know alone),  it will be up to Congress to weigh whether or not they want to pursue censure or impeachment."

Mueller did not make  "determination that there was Obstruction of Justice" did he?

You hate being wrong -- you've always hated it.

But, that never stopped you.

General Discussion / Re: The United States is broken
« on: May 01, 2019, 06:43:25 PM »
That, and we are nothing but consumers, walking dollar signs, sheep to be sheared of as many $s as possible, by corporate America.  Corporations are way too powerful and intrusive.

Hospitals and The Salvation Army are corporations. I've never thought of them as being especially powerful.

Looks like you unsurprisingly jumped the gun PMF.

Obstruction was very much on the table and up in the air.  Still is.

Oh and Hi Holly!


Sorry dude. You blew that one just as you blow most of your predictions. Mueller didn't file any obstruction charges -- and he won't. You're batting zero.

The Trump Administration / Re: Time to show us your taxes, crook
« on: May 01, 2019, 09:46:07 AM »
Released mine to whom? Nobody has asked. I made $67K last year, a portion being capital gains and paid $4,800 in taxes. There now, that wasn't so hard. But I am not the president.  As I noted, this is not a moncarchy. Trump works for us. We are his boss. Not vice versa. As I also noted, his history merits more than passing scrutiny. Red flags are everywhere. Ignoring them is not patriotic. It is subservience.  BTW, Hillary Clinton released her taxes, because she wasn't hiding anything.   

Sounds like you underpaid. Please post the original documents so we can see where you made your mistake and you can file an amended return along with the money you owe.

General Discussion / Re: The United States is broken
« on: May 01, 2019, 09:40:53 AM »
I’m seriously looking at retiring to another country, because this one is broken.  Probably beyond repair.  There is nothing left of the idea of America, only the mechanics of government set up by the Constitution.  For many decades, the country has been devoid of its founding ideas, having become all about wealth generation and very little else.  Now we are almost completely dysfunctional.  We no longer lead the world in anything to be proud of, but rather in various aspects of backward thinking and behavior.  There’s really not even much that is worth protecting anymore.

The United States is broken.  Can anyone prove me wrong?

That's a sad perception, and I totally disagree.

Once you leave the US, I think you'll change your mind.

Politics / Re: Is Right-Wing Ideology Dangerous?
« on: April 30, 2019, 06:33:04 PM »
This is great example of how right wing media distorts reality.   It's very simple:   don't communicate with Russian intelligence agents, and you won't be caught up in surveillance of said agents.

Simple concept, hard to understand?


The truth is -- both right wing and left wing distort to suit their own agenda.

Politics / Re: Is Right-Wing Ideology Dangerous?
« on: April 30, 2019, 12:45:20 PM »
Agreed, but you want to keep it that way.

No, I just think federal regulation of free speech principles is overreach.

Politics / Re: Is Right-Wing Ideology Dangerous?
« on: April 30, 2019, 10:59:40 AM »
That may be one of the biggest reasons we are so divided now.  We all exist in our own media bubbles.


Politics / Re: Is Right-Wing Ideology Dangerous?
« on: April 30, 2019, 05:46:23 AM »
It’s only an opinion, held by some, that the Fairness Doctrine violates the 1A.  We would probably be in much better shape as a country if it was still in force.

It failed to be reintroduced because liberal media did not want it extended to them. Can you imagine if Rachel MadCow had to promote a counter view?

The best (and fairest) way is to keep government out of the media, radio, television, and social media, and to allow people to voice their own opinions -- as long as they do not violate decency laws.

The Trump Administration / Re: Time to show us your taxes, crook
« on: April 30, 2019, 05:39:53 AM »
Like I said, they have an argument to make to the Court.

Their legal argument consists entirely of "I'm still mad Trump won," so the Court may not grant them permission to violate Trump's privacy.

Be wary of the type of precedent some want to set here.

The Trump Administration / Re: Time to show us your taxes, crook
« on: April 29, 2019, 04:54:55 PM »
Trump said in a presidential debate that it was because he was smart that he paid no federal income taxes.     Not that he had smart accountants, no, because he was smart.   So, apparently, per Donald Trump, he does have a thing to do with his taxes, particularly skirting paying them.

The smart part is hiring a good tax preparer. But, Trump doesn't do his own taxes. It's very likely Trump could see a year without paying taxes, for example if he borrowed more in that year than he made.

This is harassment, pure and simple.

The Trump Administration / Re: Time to show us your taxes, crook
« on: April 29, 2019, 04:52:07 PM »
I am not the President and it is not an IRS rule that my taxes must be audited.

If I were the President, I would certainly release my taxes so that there was no question I pay my fair share and to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.
That's what an ethical person does.

Pshaw -- it took Obama four years to finally release his birth certificate -- and even then -- he shouldn't have because it was no one's business but his.

Same with Trump's tax returns. It's obvious neither you nor Pepsi know exactly what business tax returns contain, but like most democrats (who also don't know), you're demanding them.

If you want all presidents to make their taxes public, you need to pass a law to that effect. The excuse that others did it so Trump should do it is lame.

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