Why Truth matters

[johnhp]

I don't know where you got your quote, but that is not the mainstream idea of how you get to Heaven.  The items enumerated in Matthew 25 refer to the service aspects of Christianity, the things you do for the Lord while here on earth.  

It all gets down to the rejection of the Judaic belief that deeds will get you to Heaven, or will bring you salvation.  Good deeds are a way for a Christian to walk the walk as well as talking the talk, but they are not the basic requirements for getting to Heaven.

You are very, very incorrect.

[vel]

The attraction of religious fundamentalism, with its emphasis on intolerance of opinion and demand for authoritative and universal answers, is insidious; many fall prey to it, to some degree or another and for a longer or shorter period of time, in the course of a lifetime. It's the appeal of knowing - of having a handbook for life, which dispels all uncertainties, doubts and mysteries - combined with (at least in the case of Christianity) the universal appeal of "getting to start over", and - though many would deny it - the appeal of getting to feel superior to the uninitiated.

I think you're right. I would not vote for any fundamentalist of any denomination so along those lines I guess I am not singling out Mormonism.

You're right, too, about Joseph Smith and in this regard I am singling out Mormonism. In the limited extent of my knowledge of Mormonism there is some stuff about taking over the U.S. government. I would expect Romney to be questioned on this.

I'm not saying he ought to be excluded from office, but rather just questioned.

[Mornac]

The attraction of religious fundamentalism, with its emphasis on intolerance of opinion and demand for authoritative and universal answers, is insidious; many fall prey to it, to some degree or another and for a longer or shorter period of time, in the course of a lifetime.

--I agree.

[vel]

--I agree.

Why aren't traditionalist Catholics, like yourself, fundamentalists?

[Mornac]

--Because we prefer to remain on the side of truth.

[vel]

--Because we prefer to remain on the side of truth.

I will give you this: you do seem to enjoy proclaiming that you know "truth" and you do really seem to enjoy your tautologies. But when you bootstrap like that on your own declarations you really aren't as convincing as you seem to want to believe. You kind of need something objective there buddy boy.

Declarations like yours are a dime a dozen and sometimes lead to things like putting cyanide in Kool-Aid or murdering a pregnant actress.

So you concede that you are fundamentalist.

[Mornac]

I will give you this: you do seem to enjoy proclaiming that you know "truth"

--No, I take comfort in being able to recognize areas of it.

and you do really seem to enjoy your tautologies.

--Impossible. I have none.

But when you bootstrap like that on your own declarations you really aren't as convincing as you seem to want to believe. You kind of need something objective there buddy boy.

--I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Declarations like yours are a dime a dozen and sometimes lead to things like putting cyanide in Kool-Aid or murdering a pregnant actress.

--I haven’t declared anything. You asked me why I am one thing rather than another and I told you why.

So you concede that you are fundamentalist.

--I just got through explaining to you why I’m not and your response is “So you concede you are”? I think it's time for you to visit an LRD specialist BaGua.

[DougRich]

To be fair, "fundamentalist" is similar to "conservative", in that even the people who claim it can't agree on what it actually means, most of the time.

I guess being a fundamentalist wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - IF the fundamentals you were so enamored of actually inspired and directed you to be a better human being and a blessing to those with whom you came in contact. Usually, that isn't the case.

[johnhp]

To be fair, "fundamentalist" is similar to "conservative", in that even the people who claim it can't agree on what it actually means, most of the time.

I guess being a fundamentalist wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - IF the fundamentals you were so enamored of actually inspired and directed you to be a better human being and a blessing to those with whom you came in contact. Usually, that isn't the case.

Historically, however, fundamentalism has been a theological self-identification referring to a set of theological propositions held by certain protestant groups.  However, because terms drift into areas other than theological self-identification.  In terms of the study of religion, fundamentalism describes the adherence to a set of theological ideas that are viewed, usually incorrectly, as the historical beliefs of a particular religion.

As shown time and again, Mornac's practice does fit into such a definition.

[ivanm]

I think you're right. I would not vote for any fundamentalist of any denomination so along those lines I guess I am not singling out Mormonism.

You're right, too, about Joseph Smith and in this regard I am singling out Mormonism. In the limited extent of my knowledge of Mormonism there is some stuff about taking over the U.S. government. I would expect Romney to be questioned on this.

I'm not saying he ought to be excluded from office, but rather just questioned.

Several years ago the Mormon church split into two groups, one remaining with the traditional beliefs of Mormonism and the other taking a more moderate route, so I don't one should categorize all Mormons as being the same in religious outlook. 

Mormons in general have been very industrious and rather frugal people with an ability to focus on objectives.  So there are worse things than a Mormon by far wen it comes to a man at the helm.   

[johnhp]

Several years ago the Mormon church split into two groups, one remaining with the traditional beliefs of Mormonism and the other taking a more moderate route, so I don't one should categorize all Mormons as being the same in religious outlook. 
   

Again, this is completely inaccurate.  Why is it that you cannot get basic facts correct?  There is basically the LDS and difference groups of sectarians.  Sectarians practicing an imagined view of what their religion used to be like.

[vel]

Several years ago the Mormon church split into two groups, one remaining with the traditional beliefs of Mormonism and the other taking a more moderate route, so I don't one should categorize all Mormons as being the same in religious outlook. 

Mormons in general have been very industrious and rather frugal people with an ability to focus on objectives.  So there are worse things than a Mormon by far wen it comes to a man at the helm.   

None of this has anything to do with what I was referring to.

[dagon]

To be fair, "fundamentalist" is similar to "conservative", in that even the people who claim it can't agree on what it actually means, most of the time.

I guess being a fundamentalist wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing - IF the fundamentals you were so enamored of actually inspired and directed you to be a better human being and a blessing to those with whom you came in contact. Usually, that isn't the case.

certainly isn't the case with romney.

peace

[Mornac]

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[vel]

You and Voris: the blind leading the blind.