How other faiths view Jesus at Christmas time

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Says "The Atheist."

Says "The Worthless Asshole".

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Says "The Worthless Asshole".

That's your argument?  Ad hominems?

You've lost the argument now.  Twice.

Well done, sir.  Well done.

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That's your argument?  Ad hominems?

You've lost the argument now.  Twice.

Well done, sir.  Well done.

You don't put up arguments.  Just drooling BS.

If I ever see an actual argument from you, I may respond to it.

There is no argument for much of this, dealing with different belief systems, etc.  Belief systems are what they are.  Some people evidently feel threatened by the belief systems of others, however.

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Some people evidently feel threatened by the belief systems of others, however.

That's exactly what I've been saying. 

Atheists are threatened by the belief systems of others, and apparently the belief system of their Religion of Atheism.  They have to be for as hostile and upset as the get whenever there is a discussion brought up about faith.  There is no other explanation for it.

Can you think of another reason why they mock Believers and insult their God by calling him The Magic Man in the Sky, or The Sky Daddy, or any other of the thousands of ready-at-hand insults they have for a Being others feel is Holy?

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That's exactly what I've been saying. 

Atheists are threatened by the belief systems of others, and apparently the belief system of their Religion of Atheism.  They have to be for as hostile and upset as the get whenever there is a discussion brought up about faith.  There is no other explanation for it.

No, we're not, by and large.  Of course, there are those, both religious (see Ivan) and non-religious, who get hostile, especially on the Internet.  But I wouldn't say, at least for the atheists, that it's a matter feeling threatened, except for this:  Atheists have, throughout history, faced probably more scorn, discrimination, and physical endangerment than almost any other minority.  So in the way, many atheists do feel threatened, and for good reason.

Can you think of another reason why they mock Believers and insult their God by calling him The Magic Man in the Sky, or The Sky Daddy, or any other of the thousands of ready-at-hand insults they have for a Being others feel is Holy?

Yes, certainly!  Although it's not "nice" behavior, atheists realize that Believers are believers in silly fairy tales, and treat them very seriously as reality, or "truth".  Of course, that invites some level of ridicule by those who are predisposed toward dishing out such stuff.

The other reason is in retaliation for the discrimination mentioned earlier, a way of trying to strike back against the tyranny of the majority.

[ivanm]

Nice!     And you're a believer, who considers yourself to be a Christian no less?

Based on your responses, I'm probably more of a Christian than you are!  

Do you hear me bashing believers or anything that resembles sound moral behavior?  

My point is this.  You can believe or not believe as you wish but when you start bashing believers, who are very much in the majority in the US, you are on thin ice.  If you don't like what they believe theen keep your damned mouth shut, or open it and show your ignorance, whatever floats your boat.  

You just don't get it.  A society must have a moral code if it is to remain civil, and most Americans look to religion for that code. It may not be perfect but at least it
beats the situational ethics of the atheists.  Without a code we become a jungle of dog eat dog idiots.

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No, we're not, by and large.  Of course, there are those, both religious (see Ivan) and non-religious, who get hostile, especially on the Internet.  But I wouldn't say, at least for the atheists, that it's a matter feeling threatened, except for this:  Atheists have, throughout history, faced probably more scorn, discrimination, and physical endangerment than almost any other minority.  So in the way, many atheists do feel threatened, and for good reason.

What are you being "threatened" with?  Words?  Someone's faith?  Wow.  Better get a gun to protect yourself, huh?   

Yes, certainly!  Although it's not "nice" behavior, atheists realize that Believers are believers in silly fairy tales, and treat them very seriously as reality, or "truth".  Of course, that invites some level of ridicule by those who are predisposed toward dishing out such stuff.

Why does it "invite" anything?  Is it a necessity that an Atheist go out of his way to be an asshole?

The other reason is in retaliation for the discrimination mentioned earlier, a way of trying to strike back against the tyranny of the majority.

Well, my, oh my, aren't you oppressed the oppressed one?  *sniffle*

You're black; aren't you?

The fact is you CANNOT point to an instance in your entire life where a Believer has "forced" you in any way, shape, or form to listen to his/her belief system.  Have they?  The only reason you have ever listened to a Believer was in an attempt to mock and ridicule that Believer because you think they are an idiot and you are doing it for shits and giggles.

Isn't that right?

You see, sir, the only "oppression" you have from a Believer is your unwillingness to just not listen to their "shit."

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Do you hear me bashing believers or anything that resembles sound moral behavior?  

No.  Why would you.  What I hear you doing is bashing non-believers.  That's no different than if you were bashing Jews, or Muslims, or whatever else.

My point is this.  You can believe or not believe as you wish but when you start bashing believers, who are very much in the majority in the US, you are on thin ice.  If you don't like what they believe theen keep your damned mouth shut, or open it and show your ignorance, whatever floats your boat.  

First, I haven't bashed believers, except to answer one question from Mornac regarding a video he posted and elicited comments on.  Secondly, I have a First Amendment right to say pretty much anything I wish about any religion.  That's exactly why we have a Fist Amendment.  So when you tell me to shut my mouth if I dissent from the religious view of things, it is you who are thin ice.

You just don't get it.  A society must have a moral code if it is to remain civil, and most Americans look to religion for that code. It may not be perfect but at least it
beats the situational ethics of the atheists.  Without a code we become a jungle of dog eat dog idiots.

I get your opinion.  I just don't agree with it.

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First, I haven't bashed believers

Oh, of course you haven't.

atheists realize that Believers are believers in silly fairy tales, and treat them very seriously as reality, or "truth". 

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What are you being "threatened" with?  Words?  Someone's faith?  Wow.  Better get a gun to protect yourself, huh?  

You didn't read what I wrote.

Why does it "invite" anything?  Is it a necessity that an Atheist go out of his way to be an asshole?
Well, my, oh my, aren't you oppressed the oppressed one?  *sniffle*

Of course it's not a necessity.  But we all know people, just like yourself, of all stripes who do so.  No doubt some find it a "fun" activity.

You're black; aren't you?

   That's the funniest thing I've read today!

The fact is you CANNOT point to an instance in your entire life where a Believer has "forced" you in any way, shape, or form to listen to his/her belief system.  Have they?  The only reason you have ever listened to a Believer was in an attempt to mock and ridicule that Believer because you think they are an idiot and you are doing it for shits and giggles.

Isn't that right?

You see, sir, the only "oppression" you have from a Believer is your unwillingness to just not listen to their "shit."

That's not true.  I've lost a couple of jobs after speaking out.  I've been threatened with physical harm.  I quickly learned to keep that part of my life a secret, at least until I got a little older and didn't give a shit so much any longer.

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That's not true.  I've lost a couple of jobs after speaking out.

I would just love to hear what that "speaking out" entailed.

I'm certain it had nothing, absolutely nothing at all, to do with you being an insulting asshole and uncivil towards someone who takes their belief system as seriously as you don't take yours.

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Oh, of course you haven't.

I answered your question.  

Even if those words had not been elicited by a question YOU asked, they're pretty mild.  If you consider that to be "bashing", then you're WAY too sensitive to be discussing this on an Internet forum.

Bashing is open hostility, aimed at intimidating another person.  It is putting them out of a job, as I've experienced, or by physically threatening someone or more, as I've also experienced.  When you're with the 95%, you don't have too much to complain about.

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I would just love to hear what that "speaking out" entailed.

I'm certain it had nothing, absolutely nothing at all, to do with you being an insulting asshole and uncivil towards someone who takes their belief system as seriously as you don't take yours.

In that case, you would be absolutely correct.

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I answered your question.  

I don't even recall asking you a question that was anything but rhetorical.

Even if those words had not been elicited by a question YOU asked, they're pretty mild.  If you consider that to be "bashing", then you're WAY too sensitive to be discussing this on an Internet forum.

Atheists' crai fagging has never had much of an impact upon me on the internet.  I am secure with my beliefs and faith and don't need to defend them to anyone but God.  There are others who do become annoyed and agitated by discussions like this, but I am not one of them.

I just don't see the point of making an issue over someone's belief system since they won't convince you, nor will you convince them, so isn't it all really just a waste of precious bandwidth?

Bashing is open hostility, aimed at intimidating another person.  It is putting them out of a job, as I've experienced, or by physically threatening someone or more, as I've also experienced.  When you're with the 95%, you don't have too much to complain about.

If this happened to you more than once, I suggest you're a dumbass and don't know when to shut your mouth.  Unless you were egregiously offensive, no one can fire you for saying what you're thinking or what you DON'T believe.  For one, it's against the law, so I suspect it was a little bit more than you saying what was on your mind.  You went out of your way to be a prick.

Didn't you?

[Mornac]

I don’t think that most atheists like to ridicule believers. It just looks that way because the one who do are the vocal ones. My guess is that most atheists are just content (or discontent) being atheists and have no reason to bother anyone else with their disbelief unless or until it conflicts with their desires. That concerns me because atheists can make up their own morals as they go along and the rest of us have to live with the consequences. Take abortion for example. Just because it is a convenience for the atheist, it has become a legal practice in many western countries. Miscreants like Obama even want us to pitch in and pay for it through his socialist medical plan. What’s going to happen when the atheists start clamoring for euthanasia? What about when they demand man/boy marriage, or even man/horse marriage? The skies the limit with these folks and everyone else has to suffer for it.