How atheists celebrate Christmas....

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BTW, I'm sure there are more hard-core atheists out there, just was there are Christians, who refuse to use the name "Christmas" at all, under any circumstances, sand who are probably even offended by it.  I'm not one of those.  I'm pretty easy-going, and if I can reasonably go along to get along, I usually will.  I have more important things to worry about in life.

In our society, with something like 85% of the population climbing to be Christian, it's just the easiest route to take.

This post made me sad.  You have no idea how hard I had to control myself from typing a gratuitous "Cool story, bro."

[ivanm]

This post made me sad.  You have no idea how hard I had to control myself from typing a gratuitous "Cool story, bro."

Yeh, my old heart pumps alligator piss for him.   

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Most people celebrate the Christmas holiday exactly as Charles Dickens instructed.

[makesenseplease]

Most people celebrate the Christmas holiday exactly as Charles Dickens instructed.

With lies?

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With lies?

Everyone tells well-meaning lies at Christmas, it's traditional.

[makesenseplease]

Everyone tells well-meaning lies at Christmas, it's traditional.

We tell our children all these lies about bags of toys, flying reindeer, a fat man sliding down chimneys, etc.

Well-meaning or not, lies are lies.  We use the birth of Christ to perpetuate lie after lie.


We do the same thing to honor Christ's death.

We tell lies about imaginary bunnies hiding eggs for children to find.

It's all bullcrap.

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It's all bullcrap.

I couldn't agree more, but I shall still enjoy being extra generous to everyone for the next few days and most especially to the Humbugs.

A time at the end of another year for the giving to and the acceptance of others.

[Mornac]

Most people celebrate the Christmas holiday exactly as Charles Dickens instructed.

"Christmas a humbug, uncle!" said Scrooge's nephew. "You don't mean that, I am sure?"

"I do," said Scrooge. "Merry Christmas! What right have you to be merry? What reason have you to be merry? You're poor enough."

"Come, then," returned the nephew gaily. "What right have you to be dismal? What reason have you to be morose? You're rich enough."

Scrooge having no better answer ready on the spur of the moment, said, "Bah!" again; and followed it up with "Humbug."

"Don't be cross, uncle!" said the nephew.

"What else can I be," returned the uncle, "when I live in such a world of fools as this? Merry Christmas! Out upon merry Christmas! What's Christmas time to you but a time for paying bills without money; a time for finding yourself a year older, but not an hour richer; a time for balancing your books and having every item in 'em through a round dozen of months presented dead against you? If I could work my will," said Scrooge indignantly, "every idiot who goes about with 'Merry Christmas' on his lips, should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart. He should!"

"Uncle!" pleaded the nephew.

"Nephew!" returned the uncle sternly, "keep Christmas in your own way, and let me keep it in mine."

"Keep it!" repeated Scrooge's nephew. "But you don't keep it."

"Let me leave it alone, then," said Scrooge. "Much good may it do you! Much good it has ever done you!"

"There are many things from which I might have derived good, by which I have not profited, I dare say," returned the nephew. "Christmas among the rest. But I am sure I have always thought of Christmas time, when it has come round--apart from the veneration due to its sacred name and origin, if anything belonging to it can be apart from that--as a good time; a kind, forgiving, charitable, pleasant time; the only time I know of, in the long calendar of the year, when men and women seem by one consent to open their shut-up hearts freely, and to think of people below them as if they really were fellow-passengers to the grave, and not another race of creatures bound on other journeys. And therefore, uncle, though it has never put a scrap of gold or silver in my pocket, I believe that it has done me good, and will do me good; and I say, God bless it!"

[Observer]

You have to consider that “selfish” is an aspect of morality. The atheist is free to make up his own morals based on whatever he wants.  Ultimately there is no right or wrong for him because there is no ultimate consequence for his actions after he dies. When he sees something from which he can derive pleasure, he sees nothing wrong with helping himself. Given these circumstances, can you really say that atheists are hypocritical for pleasing themselves in whatever manner they see fit? On the contrary, I find it to be entirely consistent with their philosophy.

How hard did you have to shove to get your head so far up your ass?

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How hard did you have to shove to get your head so far up your ass?

LOL.

Stealing this one!!

[Mornac]

How hard did you have to shove to get your head so far up your ass?

--The question is, how hard will you have to pull to get yours out far enough to see the logic in the situation.

[Observer]

There is no logic to it.

You are making assumptions based on no evidence. Your entire premise is false.

Not everyone needs some deity to tell them what is right and what is wrong.

Not everyone needs the threat of eternal damnation to make them act in a manner conducive to positive interaction with others.

One of the more common reason non-theists have such problems with religionists is very well demonstrated by you and some of your more absurd presumptions.

Tell me, Mornac, would you rape a child if you didn't think you were going to go to Hell for it? Is that fear the only thing that keeps you from drowning puppies for fun?

[Mornac]

There is no logic to it.

You are making assumptions based on no evidence. Your entire premise is false.

Not everyone needs some deity to tell them what is right and what is wrong.

Not everyone needs the threat of eternal damnation to make them act in a manner conducive to positive interaction with others.

One of the more common reason non-theists have such problems with religionists is very well demonstrated by you and some of your more absurd presumptions.

--Jeffrey Dahmer was convicted of brutally killing and dismembering seventeen men and boys and indulging in cannibalism and necrophilia with their remanins. He was an atheist who rationalized his actions this way: “If a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”.
There is the moral code of an atheist. What makes yours or that of any other atheist better than his? He saw things he wanted in life and took them. If he had managed to steer clear of the law he would have continued on the same path and lived a fulfilling life according to his own logical plan. His eternal fate would have been no more or less than that of any other atheist. Who are you to deny him his own moral code? There is nothing more annoying than an atheist who thinks everyone should live by the standards he wishes to impose on them.

Tell me, Mornac, would you rape a child if you didn't think you were going to go to Hell for it? Is that fear the only thing that keeps you from drowning puppies for fun?

--I wouldn't rape a child or drown puppies under any conditions. I simply have no desire to do either.

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--Jeffrey Dahmer was convicted of brutally killing and dismembering seventeen men and boys and indulging in cannibalism and necrophilia with their remanins. He was an atheist who rationalized his actions this way: “If a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”.
There is the moral code of an atheist. What makes yours or that of any other atheist better than his? He saw things he wanted in life and took them. If he had managed to steer clear of the law he would have continued on the same path and lived a fulfilling life according to his own logical plan. His eternal fate would have been no more or less than that of any other atheist. Who are you to deny him his own moral code? There is nothing more annoying than an atheist who thinks everyone should live by the standards he wishes to impose on them.
--I wouldn't rape a child or drown puppies under any conditions. I simply have no desire to do either.

He was insane.  What makes your moral code better than his?

He had no moral code, but merely irrational justification for monstrous actions.  We've already explained to you plenty of times what separates us, you and the rational atheists, from the likes of Dahmer, Stalin, etc.