House GOP reject payroll tax cut extension

[Pepsi]

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How about that.. tea party - backed GOPers in the House (that's TEA "Taxed Enough Already" party) reject extension of the payroll tax cut.     

Can any tea party types defend this?

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I'm not a Tea Party Type, but why should payroll tax cuts be extended?

One good reason will do.

[vel]

I'm not a Tea Party Type, but why should payroll tax cuts be extended?

One good reason will do.

The empirical evidence that "conservatives" choose to ignore shows that it is one of the most stimulative policy options available.

You will refuse to recognize that fact and all of the empirical evidence because that's what you do. You think your denialism negates the facts.

It doesn't.

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The empirical evidence that "conservatives" choose to ignore shows that it is one of the most stimulative policy options available.

You will refuse to recognize that fact and all of the empirical evidence because that's what you do. You think your denialism negates the facts.

It doesn't.

Is it the government's "job" to stimulate anything?

I wasn't raised to believe that.  I was raised to believe something else that the government has limited powers.  How were you raised?

[ivanm]

Is it the government's "job" to stimulate anything?

I wasn't raised to believe that.  I was raised to believe something else that the government has limited powers.  How were you raised?

Some people have myopia.  Down the road he'll piss and moan because the soc. sec. and Medicare programs are under funded.  Blame it on Bush. 

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[vel]

Is it the government's "job" to stimulate anything?

I wasn't raised to believe that.  I was raised to believe something else that the government has limited powers.  How were you raised?

My parents weren't legal scholars. I don't think they raised one way or the other in this regard.

My religious education was decidedly liberal, which Reform Judaism is. I was raised to believe that serving my fellow human beings was the same as serving God. God created man and put a little bit of Herself in every man's heart, and all of that.

I did spend three years in one of the best law schools in the nation and I completed somewhere near 100 law school credits. There I was taught all kinds of things about the government and I learned a lot more over the past 26 years dealing with every kind of government agency imaginable.

I see no good reason why WE, THE PEOPLE cannot or should not use our government to advance ourselves. I see a lot of ideological bullshit from a lot of partisan hacks who have very little education and even less experience with respect to government and the law, but I don't see any good reasons.

I also see a lot of bumper sticker slogans that really don't mean anything, like "the government has limited powers."

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I see no good reason why WE, THE PEOPLE cannot or should not use our government to advance ourselves.

What do you mean by "government?"

You see, this is another thing I was taught, i.e. "WE" are the government.  The government is nothing but an entity formed to carry out our wishes as a people.

I was also taught that "God helps those who help themselves."  I don't recall ever being taught "God helps those who are helped by others."  In fact, I was taught that anyone who cannot help themselves is a burden to "WE" and if it was legal, they should be exterminated for wasting resources that could be used by those who DO help themselves.

Nowhere, at no time, was I taught to curry favor and cultivate the mentality of the challenged due in almost ALL parts to their unwillingness to do fucking shit.

[vel]

Ah, yes. You're expressing your "conservative" mythology about things like Willie Horton and welfare queens and Manchurian candidates who were really born in Kenya and blah blah.

I don't share your fear and your jealousy, or your Ayn Rand glorification of the worst aspects of human nature. I am not threatened by the have nots, the way you are.

I have no use for your schtick and I'm not buying it.

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In other words, of what benefit is it to society to cultivate those who are inherently failures, Vel?  Science tells us that the children of these failures are destined to become failures.  Our society should be helping the winners, not the losers.

What is unfortunate is that when we go to war, we send in our best sons, our brightest minds, our bravest warriors to be slaughtered while the failures remain behind to propagate and breed a lesser citizen.  If they could be trusted to win wars, they should be the first to be forced into service to pay their debt to society that has fed, clothed and housed them all of their lives, but being the Born Again Losers that they are, they would lose those wars and the strong and healthy would become subjects of foreign conquerors.

It is against The American Nature to reward those who are destined to failure.

[vel]

In other words, of what benefit is it to society to cultivate those who are inherently failures, Vel?  Science tells us that the children of these failures are destined to become failures.  Our society should be helping the winners, not the losers.

What is unfortunate is that when we go to war, we send in our best sons, our brightest minds, our bravest warriors to be slaughtered while the failures remain behind to propagate and breed a lesser citizen.  If they could be trusted to win wars, they should be the first to be forced into service to pay their debt to society that has fed, clothed and housed them all of their lives, but being the Born Again Losers that they are, they would lose those wars and the strong and healthy would become subjects of foreign conquerors.

It is against The American Nature to reward those who are destined to failure.

What a complete crock of shit.

Our collective purpose is to provide the greatest opportunity for everyone to reach their own potential. You treat it as some kind of zero sum game. It isn't. When someone reaches their own potential, we all benefit.

You cut off your own nose to spite your face with your tough shit for ideology. You are being short-sighted and senseless.

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Our collective purpose is to provide the greatest opportunity for everyone to reach their own potential.

And why is that "our purpose," please?

If you say "Because it's the right thing to do," or "Because it makes me feel good," I'm afraid I will have to do something drastic.

Why is it "our purpose" to provide anything to anyone for them to reach their potential?

[vel]

And why is that "our purpose," please?

If you say "Because it's the right thing to do," or "Because it makes me feel good," I'm afraid I will have to do something drastic.

Why is it "our purpose" to provide anything to anyone for them to reach their potential?

For a lot of reasons. First and foremost there is no other legitimate purpose.

Really, badnews, are you suggesting that our purpose is to continue to enrich the already grotesque and obscenely rich? For what purpose? How many billions of dollars does any one person need? I don't deny their right to have it, but I don't see that anyone needs that kind of money or the power that comes with it.

What was our Revolution? Our Revolution was a revolution against inherited wealth and privilege. Why do you ignore that fact?

Then there is the whole idea of the commons that you summarily and thoughtlessly dismiss. If the economy isn't working to make us all we can be then that economy has outlived its purpose.

By the way, you aren't even citing the real conservative arguments against this.

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For a lot of reasons. First and foremost there is no other legitimate purpose.

So:  "Because?" 

 

I'm afraid that's not quite good enough.

Really, badnews, are you suggesting that our purpose is to continue to enrich the already grotesque and obscenely rich?

No, not at all.  I, nor you, nor do "WE" enrich the already grotesque and obscenely rich.  THEY do.  What in the holy fuck do you, or I or "WE" give them that they haven't earned in one form or another?

What was our Revolution? Our Revolution was a revolution against inherited wealth and privilege. Why do you ignore that fact?

What "Revolution?"  The Revolutionary War was against wealth and privilege?  What fucking "war" did you study in high school?

If the economy isn't working to make us all we can be then that economy has outlived its purpose.

I hear your opinion.  My opinion differs from yours.

By the way, you aren't even citing the real conservative arguments against this.

Who is "arguing?"  I'm stating my opinions.

[Pepsi]

Here's the answer: 

-the GOP doesn't actually care about cutting taxes for the middle class
-the GOP is not interested in doing anything to help the economy; their goal is to hurt the economy so that they will have a better chance of regaining the Presidency.