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« on: December 13, 2011, 11:18:43 PM »

And if so, how much compassion will be shown toward the afflicted by the bleeding heart crowd?

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 11:46:45 PM »

Any, otherwise sane, individuals who believe in fairy tales thousands of years old, to the point of making them the focus of their entire lives, could be said to be mentally ill.

But, yes, I am compassionate of those so afflicted, and I live my life trying to show them the way out of their fog.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 11:58:53 PM »

So would you be willing to accord them all of the rights and privileges guaranteed to the mentally disabled under the Americans with Disabilities Act?
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2011, 12:08:57 AM »

So would you be willing to accord them all of the rights and privileges guaranteed to the mentally disabled under the Americans with Disabilities Act?

I'm not aware of what those would be.
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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 12:22:58 AM »

You don’t have to be aware of what what those would be. You only have to know that they are guaranteed by the federal government to people with disabilities. Is there any reason why you would exclude anyone who is declared to suffer from mental disability from those rights and privileges?
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011, 01:44:46 AM »

You don’t have to be aware of what what those would be. You only have to know that they are guaranteed by the federal government to people with disabilities. Is there any reason why you would exclude anyone who is declared to suffer from mental disability from those rights and privileges?

Yes, there is a reason I would do so.

You are muddling together "mental illness" and "mental disability".  A person can suffer from mild forms, or certain types, of mental illness without being disabled from it.  To be disabled, a person has to be impaired to the point that they cannot carry out basic activities of life.  There are many people with mild forms of mental illness who are able to function at a high level.  Donald Trump probably has some for of mental illness, but he is not disabled by it, his inability to attract candidates to participate in a debate notwithstanding.  On this own board, foodserver, IM2, CC/SMTJ, JohnHP, and possibly yourself, might suffer from forms of mental illness.  I don't know if any of these people could be classified as "disabled", but in general they seem to be able to function at a somewhat normal level in life.

If someone was devoted to a religion at an absolutely fanatical level, such that they were unable to hold a job, for example, because they were unable to focus on anything other than their religion, or had to spend too many hours of the day in prayerful meditation, or if it drove them to dangerous activities, then they could quite possibly be classified as being disabled by their illness.

If a religious person should have a sudden crisis of faith, and become severely depressed because of it, then that could very easily become a disability.

All of this being said, I would be in favor of providing special education classes for the religiously afflicted to attempt to bring to them an awareness of their problem, and to show them how they could live a life free of such delusions.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011, 07:59:14 AM »

I'm not aware of what those would be.

nice deflect- why not just admit you would love the opportunity to place Catholics in concentration camps (ovens optional).
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2011, 08:09:09 AM »

You are muddling together "mental illness" and "mental disability".  A person can suffer from mild forms, or certain types, of mental illness without being disabled from it.  To be disabled, a person has to be impaired to the point that they cannot carry out basic activities of life.


--Here's adfeinition adapted from Zuckerman, D., Debenham, K. & Moore, K. (1993) The ADA and People with Mental Illness: A Resource Manual for Employers. Available from the National Mental Health Association, 1021 Prince Street, Alexandria, VA 22314-2971, (703)684-7722.

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Definition of Mental Illness and Some Common Diagnoses

Mental illness is a term that describes a broad range of mental and emotional conditions. Mental illness also refers to one portion of the broader ADA term mental impairment, and is different from other covered mental impairments such as mental retardation, organic brain damage, and learning disabilities. The term ‘psychiatric disability’ is used when mental illness significantly interferes with the performance of major life activities, such as learning, working and communicating, among others.

http://www.bu.edu/cpr/reasaccom/whatis-psych.html


--Would you say that “homophobia” impedes the ability of its victims to work and communicate with others?
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2011, 10:25:12 AM »

Mornac, what accommodations are you suggesting that you need because of your particular mental illness?
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2011, 11:02:18 AM »

religion is a crutch for the weak minded but I wouldn't say its a mental illness
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2011, 03:03:25 PM »

--Here's adfeinition adapted from Zuckerman, D., Debenham, K. & Moore, K. (1993) The ADA and People with Mental Illness: A Resource Manual for Employers. Available from the National Mental Health Association, 1021 Prince Street, Alexandria, VA 22314-2971, (703)684-7722.
 

--Would you say that “homophobia” impedes the ability of its victims to work and communicate with others?


Not in general, although there could be certain situations when it does.

I don't regard "homophobia" as a real term, however and I'm fairly certain it's not a recognized mental illness.  I think it's more akin to bigotry than it is to a phobia.  At the same time, I could see an argument to be made that many people are afraid of homosexuals to the extent that gays challenge the simplistic or religious views of human sexuality held by certain segments of society.
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2011, 03:58:55 PM »

At the same time, I could see an argument to be made that many people are afraid of homosexuals to the extent that gays challenge the simplistic or religious views of human sexuality held by certain segments of society.

What's the gay's agenda when it comes to the topic of procreation?
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2011, 05:21:37 PM »

Any, otherwise sane, individuals who believe in fairy tales thousands of years old, to the point of making them the focus of their entire lives, could be said to be mentally ill.

But, yes, I am compassionate of those so afflicted, and I live my life trying to show them the way out of their fog.
Is a child who believes in Santa Claus or in the tooth fairy mentally ill.  How about an idelogy, which can be rather nebulous thing?

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2011, 05:27:44 PM »

And if so, how much compassion will be shown toward the afflicted by the bleeding heart crowd?

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It seems illogical of the Brazilian government to outlaw a mental illness. That would be like outlawing schizophrenia and other serious mental disorders.
 
So what will the government do with these "outlaws", round them up and put them in institutions. As Voris has said, this is indeed a ridiculous piece of legislation.
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2011, 05:32:22 PM »

Yes, there is a reason I would do so.

You are muddling together "mental illness" and "mental disability".  A person can suffer from mild forms, or certain types, of mental illness without being disabled from it.  To be disabled, a person has to be impaired to the point that they cannot carry out basic activities of life.  There are many people with mild forms of mental illness who are able to function at a high level.  Donald Trump probably has some for of mental illness, but he is not disabled by it, his inability to attract candidates to participate in a debate notwithstanding.  On this own board, foodserver, IM2, CC/SMTJ, JohnHP, and possibly yourself, might suffer from forms of mental illness.  I don't know if any of these people could be classified as "disabled", but in general they seem to be able to function at a somewhat normal level in life.

If someone was devoted to a religion at an absolutely fanatical level, such that they were unable to hold a job, for example, because they were unable to focus on anything other than their religion, or had to spend too many hours of the day in prayerful meditation, or if it drove them to dangerous activities, then they could quite possibly be classified as being disabled by their illness.

If a religious person should have a sudden crisis of faith, and become severely depressed because of it, then that could very easily become a disability.

All of this being said, I would be in favor of providing special education classes for the religiously afflicted to attempt to bring to them an awareness of their problem, and to show them how they could live a life free of such delusions.
Put this into perspective. How many religious fanatics do you know that cannot hold a job?  You are not interested in helping anyone.  No, you want to diss Mornac because he takes his faith very seriously.   I think the moderator needs to know about this as freedom of religion is a very basic right of an American and you need to lay off.

Religious faith is mainstream in America so that makes you not only out of step but out of line. If you want to be an atheist that is your business, so knock yourself out, but there are a number of religious people on this forum so maybe you would feel more at home on an atheist site.

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