Obama democrats take aim at the black family in America

[lucy]

You are looking at another era my friend. Keyes won the Republican Straw Vote in Alabama no less a few years back...the South is not the South of one's imagination anymore. Truth is, there is a huge progressive movement even in the South now which will not stand the dictates of party politics for long...anti-war, pro-civil liberties for all, and against policies that rape and plunder the resources of the region around the US. And certainly not pro-banking institutions that are robbing the US blind.

It is not a partisan movement although many are still democrats in name. But also many Republicans per se are part of this nationwide...basically, a movement to protect and safeguard our liberties and our constitution.

And if the right candidate were black, these guys would vote for him or her in a heartbeat. At the moment, Ron Paul is the candidate of choice for many. But, unless Paul starts defending the rights of those who homes are threatened with flood, and oil and corexit and whathaveyou, he may not be the right one either.

I think it is called the voice for AMERICA.

[lucy]

Obama is a corporatist.

This much is clear. He works for the corporation.

[dagon]

You are looking at another era my friend. Keyes won the Republican Straw Vote in Alabama no less a few years back...the South is not the South of one's imagination anymore. Truth is, there is a huge progressive movement even in the South now which will not stand the dictates of party politics for long...anti-war, pro-civil liberties for all, and against policies that rape and plunder the resources of the region around the US. And certainly not pro-banking institutions that are robbing the US blind.

It is not a partisan movement although many are still democrats in name. But also many Republicans per se are part of this nationwide...basically, a movement to protect and safeguard our liberties and our constitution.

And if the right candidate were black, these guys would vote for him or her in a heartbeat. At the moment, Ron Paul is the candidate of choice for many. But, unless Paul starts defending the rights of those who homes are threatened with flood, and oil and corexit and whathaveyou, he may not be the right one either.

I think it is called the voice for AMERICA.

i was just giving you some knowledge lucy.  and while the "Southern Strategy" is still in practice,  i agree that it is not as effective as it once was.

my other point is that it was the republicans who tried to paint the president as a militant african (possibly muslim) community organizer who was a member of the "anti-american anti-white"  trinity baptist church.  are you telling me that they didn't do this?

so yes lucy,  it IS still an issue whether you want to cop to it or not.  IM is right about why some republicans are attracted to guys like keyes and cain;  they say what a lot of racists want to hear.  that's just a fact.

and i know of what i speak.  they brought alan keyes into town to run against obama for the senate thinking that having another black guy in the race would dilute obama's impact;  now that's some cynical shit right there.  and we all know how it turned out for both keyes and cain.  we ran that dude out of town.

let me say that again.  they BROUGHT keyes into illinois BECAUSE he was a black republican.  he was not a home grown candidate.

peace

[lucy]

We are not talking about racism, dagon, but about Americanism and freedom for all here. For blacks, whites, etc...everyone. The divisiveness kills us ultimately. I know you are a good guy, and so is IM ultimately, but you need to stop the record and play another tape.

It is not a question of racist politics. But one of corporatism vs the US constitution ultimately.imho.

Not republican  nor democrat....both parties have been coopted.

This is part of what the OWS movement first started out protesting and then it got lost in another shuffle...

The rob and theft of our country ultimately.

God bless. and peace to you, too.

[dagon]

We are not talking about racism, dagon, but about Americanism and freedom for all here. For blacks, whites, etc...everyone. The divisiveness kills us ultimately. I know you are a good guy, and so is IM ultimately, but you need to stop the record and play another tape.

lucy,  you've read enough of my posts to know that i'm  not playing any tape.

It is not a question of racist politics. But one of corporatism vs the US constitution ultimately.imho.

THIS thread is about racist politics.  and i'll say this again.  the REPUBLICANS tried to paint the president as an african militant community organizer who was a member of the "anti-american anti-white" trinity baptist church.  they did this for political gain.  did they or did they not?  if you say yes they did then all of this  hooey about playing another tape kinda goes out the window regarding the subject of this thread don't you think?

Not republican  nor democrat....both parties have been coopted.

This is part of what the OWS movement first started out protesting and then it got lost in another shuffle...

The rob and theft of our country ultimately.

God bless. and peace to you, too.

both parties have been coopted, but to greater and lesser degrees; your false equivalencies don't hold water.  and as for OWS, exactly what other shuffle did they get lost in?  and where were you?

peace

[Observer]

i get called a quadroon all of the time. 

Sure, you do. I doubt very much you have ever heard that word spoken aloud in conversation.

and i'm not obsessed with anything.  the republicans were the ones making a deal about obama being an african militant community organizer who was a member of the "anti-american,  anti-white trinity baptist church".   were they not?

No, they weren't. They did point out that Obama had zero executive experience and the closest thing he had ever had to a job was being a "community organizer" That was a perfectly accurate and valid observation. They also pointed out that he attended Wright's church for a bunch of years and Wright did in fact engage in inflammatory rhetoric from the pulpit, making Obama's claims that he never heard any of it somewhat dubious. Another perfectly valid point.

I never heard any Republican candidate refer to Obama as a "militant African".

Why do you make shit like that up? You do it all the time. I am still waiting for you to provide support for a couple of claims you made in another thread. Of course, you did what you usually do and ran away as soon as your false statements were challenged and exposed.

Your credibility is somewhat lacking.

[vel]

They also pointed out that he attended Wright's church for a bunch of years and Wright did in fact engage in inflammatory rhetoric from the pulpit, making Obama's claims that he never heard any of it somewhat dubious. Another perfectly valid point.

Pfeh.

What you all tried to do with the Wright thing was another one of your sleazy Swiftboat Liar jobs, only this time people are on to your smears and it didn't work for you. You have simply gone to that well too many times.

[vel]

And on to the subject of this thread:

If you had actual empirical evidence that affirmative action has actually harmed the people who were intended to benefit from it, that would be one thing. But you don't have that evidence. What you have are: 1) some mythical welfare queens like Reagan conjured up; and 2) a lot of really angry white people who are too eager to swallow the lies whole and immerse themselves in the quasi racist aura of those lies.

The fact is that we have made huge progress since 1964. I see that progress every day.

The reason for the "deposit of semen" problem is poverty, plain and simple. There were clearly some missteps along the way--high rise housing projects being perhaps the most obvious. But if for some reason you "conservatives" need unreliable anecdotal evidence instead of the empirical evidence, I personally have known a hundred or so wonderful black people who have escaped the toxic environment of racism simply because of affirmative action.