What does the bible say about sexual perversion?

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You lose sight of the principles involved, which is really the thread topic.  I don't care if these words of wisdom came form a Cracker Jack box, they are still very valid and appropriate to our times.

If having strong convictions about social conditons is prejudiced of me, then tough, don't read my posts.   And if you cannot contribute anything constructive about the issues then you are on the wrong page, maybe the wrong forum.  

I am really disappointed with you notoc. At one time I was impressed with our cool headed outlook on things but it seems you have changed, for the worse.  If you really want to show your stuff then try DU.

Back when the bible was written they did not have the benefit of modern science.  But does that invalidate the principles laid down in the bible? They did have a virtue that you cannot buy in a pill bottle, a sense of purpose, a sense of responsibility to one another.

People usually expect references to substantiate a poster's claim or opinion, and that is ok as long as it suits your pov, is that it? If it doesn't then the poster is wrong and is not sincere.   I like you double standards.  

Let's assume there will someday be a cure for AIDS.  Will that serve to justify deviant sex acts that cause or spread the disease? Given the fact that people with advanced cases of these diseases become a public burden, it is more than a medical problem, it becomes a political problem, and economic problem as well.  But that is ok isn't it, any and all for the losers of society and to hell with those who get to pick up the tab.

The article on the low treatment level of the HIV should be a clue notoc, even to an obstinate liberal.  If infected people will not or cannot seek treatment then all the miracles of
sicence will not help them. So the situation becomes a social issue as well as a medical problem.  Guess what lackey, that is why people like me are concerned about the spread of this killer disease. Maybe some of the  infected people don't care about the quality of life and are taking their problems out on the rest of us.  I care about my health and my well being, and the health and well being of others, so maybe I am not a sincere person.  Yeh, right.

Have  you ever heard the old maxim that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? Or does that not make sense to you either?  People who are afflicted with
 AIDS suffer and die, not because of the diesease itself, but  because of the secondary diseases the body cannot resist.  Hence the meaning of the term "deficiency syndrome".

There is not a pill for everything notoc, especially for stupid behavior that leads to suffering and pre mature death. If there was some pharma would make a fortune selling it.

If only everyone were less like themselves and more like you, huh?  Let him who is without sin ...

[ivanm]

If only everyone were less like themselves and more like you, huh?  Let him who is without sin ...

Another red herring?  I am far from perfect but on this issue I have my priorities straight.  How about you?  If it feels good then do it.  Right.   

[johnhp]

Another red herring?  I am far from perfect but on this issue I have my priorities straight.  How about you?  If it feels good then do it.  Right.   

No, in fact, you do not.  You have yet to explain why the Bible means anything absent its "original text" which is the basis of authority claimed by the crapulence you are citing.

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I always find it amusing that an agnostic such as I better fits the term Christian than the most ardent of 'True Believers.'

.......noted...........your oxymoronic statement.....YOUR opinion of YOU is YOURS........

[Sassy]

It is a very serious public health problem Sassy, and the gay lifestyle serves to spread HIV/AIDS.  So why shouldn't I be concerned

That was not the question.  I said nothing about being "concerned".  The question was why are you so focused on gays?

The reasoning goes deeper than it being merely a public health problem.  By not putting pressure  on homosexuals to mend their ways, which they can to a great extent, and by giving tacit approval of their quest for power and recognition, people are just driving nails into their own coffins, so to speak. A lot of innocent people have been infected by the deadly virus, so when you tolerate this threat you promote more suffering and dying of the innocents.

"Putting pressure" on people has worked so well, huh?  Since your premise in based on scripture, would you please show me the book, chapter and verse where Jesus said "Thou shalt apply pressure to sinners"?  Thanks in advance.

Look at the opening post and post 33 if you are not convinced that gays pose a threat to our well being. HIV is an insidious killer, just like many forms of cancer that  not come to the surface until it is too late to save the victim.   

HIV and cancer are indeed "insidious killers".  I have watched people die from both and it was not a fun time.

   If you want to bury your head in the sand in hopes it will go away then have at it but I got my kids and grandkids to think about it. 

It's not my head that's "buried"...Of course yours is not "buried in sand".  Hopefully none of your grand-kids will choose the gay lifestyle.

Or do they count?  Maybe they are disposable for the sick cause of protecting homosexual activity? Just dog dung, is that it? 

EVERYONE counts...Even gay people.  As for the rest of that...you're mindlessly rambling.

  I think you need to check your priorities. 

You're speaking in ignorance, there, since you know nothing of my "priorities".

When I was young I was quarantined more than once because of contracting highly communicable diseases like measles and mumps. 

More ignorance...HIV/AIDS is not a "highly communicable disease".

  By your reasoning I should have been left to go to school or out to play so I could expose other innocent children to the diseases.  And these diseases can be very serious if the patient does not control himself and do the proper things, which brings up another reason for being so against gays.

WOW!  You discerned all that from a simple question about obsessively focusing on gays?  I'd say impressive if the comments weren't  so remarkably stupid.

When a person who is infected with the HIV knowingly does not seek treatment or use the medications that can control the diesease then that to me is more than sinful, that is a crime against society. Granted, there may be those who cannot afford treatment or the drugs, so maybe that should be an item for public funding in the interests of the people at large as well as the victims.  However, such help should in no way be construed to be acceptance and tolerance of those who defy the common sense rules and experience of even the ancients on this deadly threat to our well being.

Most people with the disease do indeed seek treatment.  Even if they can't afford it that is no excuse.  There are a boatload of various assistance programs out there.  As for the rest...rubbish.

[Sassy]

Sassy, you said that sin is a symptom of the problem.
 

Yes I did.  Do you know what "problem" I was referring to?

Calling something a sin was a way to label or characterize an act that was against the welfare of society or of others.  For example, the vandalizing of a holy place such as a church or synagogue would have been called a sin. Stealing or assault or murder would have been other sins.

In general, a sin is a wrong or transgression against another person or against a society. Judaism was a very authoritarion religion back in biblical times, and for good reason.  The Isrealis had to run a tight ship if they were to survive because they were constantly under stress from an inhospitable environment that was short on water and scarce on vegetation or game animals for food. So acts that served to further degrade their already perilous existence were take rather seriously.  They survived as a people so they must have been doing something right by establishing and enforcing rules.

The Bible...You know...That book you place in the title of the thread...Says differently.  Perhaps you should study it a little more so you could carry on an informed discussion.

As to a sin being a sympton of an underlying problem, what do you think the underlying problem is with gay behavior?  There are mixed reviews as to whether or not gay behavior is genetic in orign or is a learned thing.  It may be a bit of both.  In either case, the symptoms should be controlled as much as a person with paranoid schizophrenia should be controlled. And they can be controlled if the gay person is shown his limits in no uncertain terms. They'll push the limit of acceptable behavior out of defiance to the norm.

The same as it is for any other sinful behavior. 

I happen to live with a step daughter that has the schizo disease, and it is inherited from her father.  If she was not heavily medicated and did not see an MD, a counselor, on a regular basis, then she would have to be locked up in an institution because she would  be a danger to herself and to us.
I have personal experience with this matter because she went bonkers after living with us and did some very strange things. I observed her errant behavior and kept a diary.  I also used the Merck Manual to form an opinion of her problem and gave this information to the first counselor she met. He immediately transferred the case to an MD who could prescribe the drugs she needed to control her symptoms.

Good for you.

Was her affliction a sin?  I don't think so as it was genetic in origin, and she doesn't seek power or to take advantage of well people just because she is a victiim of the diesease. And if you think that having schizo is socially acceptable just ask one who suffers from it.  Was she a threat to the community?
Without meds she might have been, but the disease is not communicable so that is a major difference between tolerating this terrible thing and putting up with HIV infected people who see to do damage to straight and well people.

Yet more rambling.  You're comparing apples to oranges.

[dagon]

Another red herring?  I am far from perfect but on this issue I have my priorities straight.  How about you?  If it feels good then do it.  Right.   

so are you suggesting that in your opinion gay sex feels good?  i'm not trying to be a dick but you seem to be inferring that we heterosexuals are somehow more disciplined to withstand the hedonistic allure of the gay lifestyle.

peace

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*facepalm*

[ivanm]

That was not the question.  I said nothing about being "concerned".  The question was why are you so focused on gays?

"Putting pressure" on people has worked so well, huh?  Since your premise in based on scripture, would you please show me the book, chapter and verse where Jesus said "Thou shalt apply pressure to sinners"?  Thanks in advance.

HIV and cancer are indeed "insidious killers".  I have watched people die from both and it was not a fun time.

It's not my head that's "buried"...Of course yours is not "buried in sand".  Hopefully none of your grand-kids will choose the gay lifestyle.


EVERYONE counts...Even gay people.  As for the rest of that...you're mindlessly rambling.

You're speaking in ignorance, there, since you know nothing of my "priorities".

More ignorance...HIV/AIDS is not a "highly communicable disease".

WOW!  You discerned all that from a simple question about obsessively focusing on gays?  I'd say impressive if the comments weren't  so remarkably stupid.

Most people with the disease do indeed seek treatment.  Even if they can't afford it that is no excuse.  There are a boatload of various assistance programs out there.  As for the rest...rubbish.

Hey genius, the pressure is implied.  If not then what purpose does the principles of the bible serve?  They serve to impress on normal people the benefits, and the downside, of putting up with errant behavior.  You need to realize that back in those days Judaic religious law was very much as powerful and authoritative as any secular law they had.  The Islamic faith in the modern setting is the same way, much of it is called Sharia law, which is based on scriptural principles.

I think you need to do some homework and need to put your brain in gear before you pop the clutch.

It is very communicable amongst those who live a lifestyle that permits it to spread.  Getting back to what I may have proposed, isolation and quarantine are effective ways to prevent the spread to innocent straight people. 

Yes, most of them do seek treatment, and one can conclude that from reading the article I have posted, so what else do you have to offer?


Everyone does count, but that is not the point.  When an infected person becomes unable to fend for himself then the load falls on the others to care for him.
Maybe the other people have their own priorities on what to spend their income than treating irresponsible HIV sufferers.

If you want to run with the losers then knock yourself out, in the meantime I will take the road of the winners, the ones that have to pick up the tab for errant behavior they don't support in the first place. 

Who would you prefer to have as a mate, given the choice, a person who is sick with HIV or a healthy person?  How about a father or mother for children? Who is the best deal, the well person or the one sick with HIV, particularly one who has no sense of responsibility to others and lets the disease progress to full flown AIDS.

Talk about stupid, that would be an upgrade for your mentality and sense of  personal and social responsibility.  You can mouth off all you want but it won't change one thing.  I represent mainstream thinking and even the consensus of the medical community on this threat, and you don't. When the government hands out free needles to the gay crowd  that should tell you something.  It is amatter of national concern, a public health issue, and you diss me for being whatever you can come up wiith about my mental state. That is a sign that you are on thin ice and are struggling to wiggle out of this one. 

Rotsa ruck because your errant thinking will not change the facts of the issue on the ground.

[Sassy]

I will leave you to your ignorance.

[johnhp]

I will leave you to your ignorance.

maybe you should be happy...a few weeks ago the same poster was crowing about how gays should be murdered.

[Malone22]

Dixie Carter's Julia Sugarbaker lashes out on a woman who thinks AIDS is ''killing all the right people,'' telling her that ''if God was giving out sexually transmitted diseases to people as a punishment for sinning, then you would be at the free clinic all the time!''

Designing Women's Julia Sugarbaker on AIDS

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Dixie Carter's Julia Sugarbaker lashes out on a woman who thinks AIDS is ''killing all the right people,'' telling her that ''if God was giving out sexually transmitted diseases to people as a punishment for sinning, then you would be at the free clinic all the time!''

I lol'd.