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Patty Murray: The One Percent Aren’t ‘Job Creators’

Former Super Committee co-chair and head of Senate Democrats’ 2012 campaign effort Patty Murray will take on the GOP myth that the wealthiest Americans are “job creators” — and therefore must be protected from higher marginal tax rates.

In prepared floor remarks sent my way, Murray will argue that the GOP has this exactly backwards, and that middle class workers need more money in their pockets — not the highest earners.

“Republicans seem to be operating under the backwards economic principle that only tax cuts for the richest Americans and biggest corporations are worth fighting for,” the remarks read. “In fact, they have a name for this group of people: they call them ‘job creators.’ They believe the only ones who create jobs in America are the rich—and they claim that the tax cuts and loopholes they fight for that benefit the wealthy will somehow trickle down to ordinary families. Mr. President—we know this is wrong. We know this Republican economic policy has failed us. It was this kind of thinking that turned a surplus in into a deficit, that brought the economy to its knees, that failed the middle class—and that allowed the wealthiest Americans to amass record fortunes paying the lowest tax rates in decades.”

Murray cites one of her own constituents — billionaire tech company founder and venture capitalist Nick Hanauer — who turned a lot of heads when he made this argument in a Bloomberg op-ed last week.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/patty-murray-the-one-percent-arent-job-creators.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

[foodserver]

Pepsi,

Please get back to us when Mr. Hanauer sends in his check for the extra tax money he feels he should have paid...

[IM2]

It boils down to the rich not wanting to pay their fair share and the ignorant poor defending them.

Reagan began the lie of democrats spending to much, and it has stuck. It's time that coservaitves understood that Ol Ronnie made this uop. After all  Reagan is part of the reason why we are here today..

[Case_Closed]

It boils down to the rich not wanting to pay their fair share and the ignorant poor defending them.

What is "their fair share," IM2?

[IM2]

The same amount they paid in the 90's that created the economic growth. It's funny how you no wanna pay tax mooches can describe exactly what a fair share is for the poor, but for some odd reason you cannot seem to find an number that creates a fair share for the rich. Until you can, Don't ask me your silly question about it.

[Case_Closed]

The same amount they paid in the 90's that created the economic growth.

How much is that, IM2?

Percentage points after deductions?

The fact is, you don't know.  And neither does anyone else.  And that's what the "problem" is.  No one knows what "their fair share" is.

Just that "it should be more."

[IM2]

Why don't you go look at what was being paid then and then you will know. Your argument is weak, we all know what has been proposed, it is a .0003 increase in the current taxes the rich pay now. Its not enough to be arguing about when you are a billionaire. I pay my %$#&**@! taxes every year and do not whine about having to do so. I am not runing around crying while asking "what is my fair share, can someone find that out for me?," like a whiny infant whose diapers are soiled. Therefore mr richie rich can pay his, and should shut is *&^^%$##@!! mouth up while doing so.

It is this type of question posed by the exucse makers that end up making people curse. Such purposeful obstinance is what needs to be shut down.

[Case_Closed]

Why don't you go look at what was being paid then and then you will know.

That's what I said.

You don't know. *shrugs*

Just that "it should be more."  How much more, you just don't know.

*Case Closed*

[Case_Closed]

RUSH: No, you don't feel like you're letting the country down, Boone. You're being told that you're letting the country down. You're being told that it's unfair. You're being told that you are behaving improperly. Scarborough said, "Warren Buffett pays like 18%, 17% of what he makes in taxes. Is that fair? Should he pay 35%? What should he pay?"

PICKENS: After I was 70 years old, I paid $665 million in taxes. Is that fair?

BRZEZINSKI: (snickering) I don't know how much you made, Mr. Pickens. (giggling) Why don't you give me the full numbers?

PICKENS: You feel like I'm not paying my fair share, after $665 million and I'm over 70 years old?

BRZEZINSKI: (snickering) Sir, with all due respect --

PICKENS: Okay.

SCARBOROUGH: That's pretty good.

BRZEZINSKI: -- it depends on what you make.

RUSH: "It depends on what you make." "With all due respect, sir, it depends on what you make." Our good old buddies at NBC. Boone Pickens paid $665 million in taxes in the last 13 years -- just since he turned 70 -- and that is not enough, not enough to determine whether or not it was fair. See, because we don't know how much he made -- and unless he admits how much he made, then we can't possibly determine whether or not it's fair. In other words, he may have to pay more just so these schlubs on this worthless network can be satisfied.

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[IM2]

The fact you listen to rush makes you a known simpleton.

I have already posted the number that I would consider fair.  Any continuing rants that I have not done so or that I don't know it I jjust wanthte rich to paymore and more has no merit. What president Obama has proposed is the number.  If you don't know what it is, then go ask somebody.

Case Closed.

[Case_Closed]

The fact you listen to rush makes you a known simpleton.

I have already posted the number that I would consider fair.  Any continuing rants that I have not done so or that I don't know it I jjust wanthte rich to paymore and more has no merit. What president Obama has proposed is the number.  If you don't know what it is, then go ask somebody.

Case Closed.

Back in 1942, "the rich" were paying 94% of their income in taxes.  See?  That's what no one can identify at the moment.  What is "the rich."  We hear these nonsensical numbers being thrown out, a million a year, five million a year, 250,000 a year, and we all know that in most municipalities, 250k is not "the rich."  It may be "the rich" in some little backwoods podunk place, but not in a large city.

FDR said "No American should earn more than $25,000 per year."

Guess which party he belonged to, sir?

[foodserver]

IM2 flat out fucking lies,

I have already posted the number that I would consider fair.  

Where?

PS: Mr. Case Closed has a picture of a rich person after paying their fair share as his avatar.  I do however notice two socks and a watch.  No word on whether or not he will be allowed to keep that the next time the "fair share" is "updated."

[ivanm]

It boils down to the rich not wanting to pay their fair share and the ignorant poor defending them.

Reagan began the lie of democrats spending to much, and it has stuck. It's time that coservaitves understood that Ol Ronnie made this uop. After all  Reagan is part of the reason why we are here today..

What is their fair share? 

What is your fair share?
 

[ivanm]

Why don't you go look at what was being paid then and then you will know. Your argument is weak, we all know what has been proposed, it is a .0003 increase in the current taxes the rich pay now. Its not enough to be arguing about when you are a billionaire. I pay my %$#&**@! taxes every year and do not whine about having to do so. I am not runing around crying while asking "what is my fair share, can someone find that out for me?," like a whiny infant whose diapers are soiled. Therefore mr richie rich can pay his, and should shut is *&^^%$##@!! mouth up while doing so.

It is this type of question posed by the exucse makers that end up making people curse. Such purposeful obstinance is what needs to be shut down.

I don't hear any of the rich whining either.  Do you really know how much the rich pay?

What are you wanting to do with the extra income, play Robin Hood?  You socialists don't want to talk about the spending part of the equation because it is too embarrassing.

[johnhp]

I don't hear any of the rich whining either.  Do you really know how much the rich pay?

What are you wanting to do with the extra income, play Robin Hood?  You socialists don't want to talk about the spending part of the equation because it is too embarrassing.

Hogwash.