View from Germany: GOP "A Club of Liars, Demagogues and Ignoramuses"

[Observer]

Thoreau said it best.

"That government is best which governs least."

[Pepsi]

Thoreau said it best.

"That government is best which governs least."

So anarchy is best? the Somali model?

[Observer]

You are the only one who mentioned anarchy.

Maybe this one would be more to your liking. It says much the same thing, just in Jefferson's own unique style.

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

[lucy]

Because Jefferson was actually an idealist at heart who believed a people informed would be able to rule themselves judiciously and honorably...

But, he also had this to say:

            “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -
            Thomas Jefferson

wise words and auspicious to a fault...
what have we wrought/

[nraforlife]

Because Jefferson was actually an idealist at heart who believed a people informed would be able to rule themselves judiciously and honorably...

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TJ did not believe in mass democracy- few in his beloved Virginia had the vote. His Class- the Planter Elite were ROUTINELY in debt to English Bankers.

[ivanm]

Because Jefferson was actually an idealist at heart who believed a people informed would be able to rule themselves judiciously and honorably...

But, he also had this to say:

            “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -
            Thomas Jefferson

wise words and auspicious to a fault...
what have we wrought/

What makes you think things would be better if the Treasury controlled the money supply and ran the banking system?
We have had such arrangements, so why aren't we still doing it that way? 

My point is this. Given the way the feds screw up everything else the last thing we need is for them to screw up our monetary system any worse than it is. Apparently I am missing something, but I cannot see where I have been hurt by the shenagans of the bankng industry.  My loans are cheap due to a credit rating that cannot be anhybetter for my income class, one that my wife and I have jealously guarded for decades now because it is a mark of how well we can manage our affairs.  Money for car loans and the like is no problem  to come by for those with good credit, so what is your beef anyway? 

It is also my understanding that many of the big banks have repaid much of their bailout loans. The federal government is a piss poor role model when it comes to being financially responsible, so isn't the pot calling the kettle black? Do you really want a corrupt bunch of politicians managing your money supply?  They'll manage it all right, from your pocket to theirs.

Consider this. We might be in much worse trouble if we did not have the FRS.  I am not qualified to judge the system but I do know that we are still afloat, and that is what counts. As long as my dollars can be used to pay my bills and get me the things I want then I have no quarrel with the system.

[ivanm]

TJ did not believe in mass democracy- few in his beloved Virginia had the vote. His Class- the Planter Elite were ROUTINELY in debt to English Bankers.

Communicatons were poor to non existent, and many couldn't even read and write, so was the masses ready for democracy?  Somebody had to man the helm while the people came up to speed, and it took decades for that to happen. Thankfully we did not resort to mob rule like the newly "freed" ME countries are experiencing.

 If our forefathers were such tyrants they would not be held in such high esteem.  Is there any value in being loyal to the ones in charge or in paying tribute to the memory of those who have brought this great country as far as it has come?
 
I take it that the New Age mentality says not.  They talk the talk, so let's see them walk the walk.  Has the whole country gone nuts, or is it a few belligerent and noisy fools that are out to get media attention.  Crapping on police cars is not my idea of media attention that will help their confused cause.

 I got it, let's put those cry babies in charge and then hold their feet the the fire.  Sooner than not they would be talking out the other side of their mouths.

[Pepsi]

Because Jefferson was actually an idealist at heart who believed a people informed would be able to rule themselves judiciously and honorably...

But, he also had this to say:

            “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” -
            Thomas Jefferson

wise words and auspicious to a fault...
what have we wrought/

I don't think Jefferson said that

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

[vel]

That is exactly what he means.

He sees them as the good guys.

Legitimate scholars reject your simplistic and unenlightened views over and over and over. First because your views are simplistic and unenlightened. You deny and ignore history and tradition within which the Constitution was created. Perhaps even more egregious, you ignore your own simplicity at will and use your extremely self serving and partisan point of view as a tautological rationale for doing exactly what you complain about.

Your fringe lunacy is just a hair better than Holly's. That is where you have relegated yourself.

[nraforlife]

................ If our forefathers were such tyrants they would not be held in such high esteem.

Russians hold Stalin in high regard.

........  Is there any value in being loyal to the ones in charge ......................

Not when they are criminal tyrants.
 Ivanm you have cast your lot with the tyrants. That makes you the enemy. Got it.



OK

[nraforlife]

I don't think Jefferson said that

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

and snopes counts as a source, because???

[ivanm]

Russians hold Stalin in high regard.


Not when they are criminal tyrants.
 Ivanm you have cast your lot with the tyrants. That makes you the enemy. Got it.



OK

Get over it fool. What do you have to match their accomplishments? Power sometimes corrupts, so get used to it.  Mayber you would prefer mob rule, anarchy, anything goes.

[lucy]

I wouldn't be calling people "fools"....

[nraforlife]

Get over it fool. What do you have to match their accomplishments? ..............

Darn I can't claim even one unconstitution war let alone the 5 our past 3 TIC's share and I have not turned anywhere near 2M people into collateral damage. Yep you got me uncle.