“twisting hypocrite” murdered for defending victims of corporate greed mongers

[Mornac]

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Good news notoc. One less person perpetrating a "dangerous sham" on innocent people. You can rest easy knowing that these displaced workers are now out of harms way.


Nun slain in India faced threats from mine bosses
 
PATNA, India (AP) — The family of a Catholic nun hacked to death in eastern India says she had been threatened by coal mine bosses for defending the rights of local tribespeople.

The nun's family says Sister Valsa John was fighting on behalf of hundreds of people who had been displaced by mining operations in Jharkhand state.

Her brother M.J. Baby said Thursday that during a recent visit home John had complained she had received threats purportedly from local coal mine owners.

Jharkhand police said around 50 men had barged into the house where John, 53, was staying in Jharkhand's Pakur district. Her mutilated body was found by police Wednesday.

[lucy]

Very sad and very heroic person she was....

[notoc]

Good news notoc. One less person perpetrating a "dangerous sham" on innocent people. You can rest easy knowing that these displaced workers are now out of harms way.

You disingenuous twisting hypocrite, Mornac.

What was your god doing while this poor woman was being hacked to death?

[johnhp]

You disingenuous twisting hypocrite, Mornac.

What was your god doing while this poor woman was being hacked to death?

notoc,

Do you think he cares?  Seriously, all of these things he posts are just means towards his fucked up reactionary nirvana.

[Mornac]

You disingenuous twisting hypocrite, Mornac.

What was your god doing while this poor woman was being hacked to death?

--Allowing His creatures to exercise their free will to either carry out His own will and live in eternal happiness, or obstruct his will and live in eternal suffering.  I have a feeling that the “twisting hypocrite” got the good end of the deal despite your characterisation of her. It's a pity that the secularists of the world believe that the assasins in the story will meet the same end as their victim.

[notoc]

notoc,

Do you think he cares?  Seriously, all of these things he posts are just means towards his fucked up reactionary nirvana.

Oh course he cares ... anyone would, if everything they'd been taught to believe in was turning to shit.

Does he care about this poor woman's fate or the fate of the physically, mentally and sexually abused at the hands of his church? Not a jot.

[ivanm]

You disingenuous twisting hypocrite, Mornac.

What was your god doing while this poor woman was being hacked to death?

You say he doesn't exist.  That might be a good thing for you notoc as he would have creamed your ass long ago.

Once again, for the slow learner, God works thru man. We cannot stop or prevent  all abuses and hideous crimes but we still need to try to make this world a better place to be..

Or would you rather live in an uncivilized jungle where only the fittest survive? Something tells me the quality of life in dear old England has gone to shit.

[johnhp]

You say he doesn't exist.  That might be a good thing for you notoc as he would have creamed your ass long ago.

Once again, for the slow learner, God works thru man. We cannot stop or prevent  all abuses and hideous crimes but we still need to try to make this world a better place to be..

Or would you rather live in an uncivilized jungle where only the fittest survive? Something tells me the quality of life in dear old England has gone to shit.

Well if anyone knows about creaming men's asses...it is Ivan.

[notoc]

--Allowing His creatures to exercise their free will to either carry out His own will and live in eternal happiness, or obstruct his will and live in eternal suffering.

... and your church used to teach that the Sun orbited the Earth.

Therefore . . . , invoking the most holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Most Glorious Mother Mary, We pronounce this Our final sentence: We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo . . . have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world; also, that an opinion can be held and supported as probable, after it has been declared and finally decreed contrary to the Holy Scripture, and, consequently, that you have incurred all the censures and penalties enjoined and promulgated in the sacred canons and other general and particular constituents against delinquents of this description. From which it is Our pleasure that you be absolved, provided that with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, in Our presence, you abjure, curse, and detest, the said error and heresies, and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Church of Rome.

[notoc]

You say he doesn't exist.  That might be a good thing for you notoc as he would have creamed your ass long ago.

Q.E.D.

[notoc]

Something tells me the quality of life in dear old England has gone to shit.

The same something that tells you that a supposedly omnipotent, omnipresent god will sit back and do nothing while one of his wives is hacked to death?

[IM2]

Or would you rather live in an uncivilized jungle where only the fittest survive?

This is the wolrd conservatives propose for us right here in America.

[Mornac]

... and your church used to teach that the Sun orbited the Earth.

Therefore . . . , invoking the most holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His Most Glorious Mother Mary, We pronounce this Our final sentence: We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo . . . have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world; also, that an opinion can be held and supported as probable, after it has been declared and finally decreed contrary to the Holy Scripture, and, consequently, that you have incurred all the censures and penalties enjoined and promulgated in the sacred canons and other general and particular constituents against delinquents of this description. From which it is Our pleasure that you be absolved, provided that with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, in Our presence, you abjure, curse, and detest, the said error and heresies, and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Church of Rome.

--The Church only suspected someone of heresy for stating an unproven theory as fact. (I trust you don’t hold that “the sun is the center of the world” notoc). No one can say what the center of the universe is. Hence it is ridiculous for someone to point to a heavenly body and say “This is the center of the universe.” The Church has no infallible teaching on the subject.   

[ivanm]

--The Church only suspected someone of heresy for stating an unproven theory as fact. (I trust you don’t hold that “the sun is the center of the world” notoc). No one can say what the center of the universe is. Hence it is ridiculous for someone to point to a heavenly body and say “This is the center of the universe.” The Church has no infallible teaching on the subject.    

Based on his observation abilities back then, he reached a valid conclusion that supported the facts he gathered.  What facts did the Catholic Church have to support its premises?  

Suspecting somone of heresy back then could have been very damaging as people had little means to challenge and disprove its bigoted views.  Several weeks ago I pointed out the ignorant stand your church took on autopsy and anatomy studies.  Thankully the Persians were objective enough to continue the research.

Your church has done some great things for humanity Mornac, but sometimes its bully tactics get in the way of progress.  We now know that Galileo  was very correct in his observations.  And the sun is still the center of most of the world as we know it to be.  Whether or not that is called a universe I can't remember off hand but it is a very substantial grouping of planets, star, and other bodies of matter.

[ivanm]

Oh course he cares ... anyone would, if everything they'd been taught to believe in was turning to shit.

Does he care about this poor woman's fate or the fate of the physically, mentally and sexually abused at the hands of his church? Not a jot.

I think you are completely wrong about Mornac's caring.  Much of his posts address the abuse of innocent people and the deviant sexual behavior of clerics.  

I agree with him in that morals in America are not as strong as they once were, even in my time.  I think that TV and the sexual revolution, so to speak, has  unloosed a damaging trend on our moral fiber. This old bit that anything goes is demonstrated day after day in the news to be completely wrong headed.  

There was a time when people were more inhibited and were afraid of the consequences of acting up, but no more. The courts seem to favor the bad guys, and maybe it is because our jails are overflowing with the idiots.  I look for things to get even worse but I am certainly not criticizing Mornac for wanting things to turn around.

One can say that God fearing people also have their faults and make mistakes, but it is patently obvious to me that those who sincerely practice their faith and try to do right are much better quality people than those who are constantly bending the norms of society.  I see it every day at the coffee shop, and since I know the background of a few of the scumbags that come in there I can readily see the difference in their quality compared to the ones that are true believers.  

As an example, I used to work at a part time job with one of the crooks that comes to coffee, and he doesn't sit with anyone unless he brings his own rabble with him. He had done time in the state pen twice for theft, and to show you an example of how low this guy is, he stole a transmission from a little car right out in a parking lot.

No one may be perfect, and many may do wrong in some way, but Christ recognized that when he presented his plan of forgiveness.  Kudoos to Mornac for trying to live it right and for wanting this country to clean up its act and live by a code that is in their best interests to do so.