Obama's plan to eradicate the family

[Mornac]

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[ivanm]

I don't think the intent is to eradicate the family but to make it dependent upon government handouts for a beggarly existence.

As to more of a family's income being subject to taxation today, our wages have risen considerably since WW II. IMO the purpose of exemptions for dependentsx was to promote the formation of families but that doesn't seem to be a need anymore.

If a family is the primary beneficiary of tax supported progams then it follows that it should help pay for those programs.

[dagon]

I don't think the intent is to eradicate the family but to make it dependent upon government handouts for a beggarly existence.

ivan,  why do you keep on venting your id.  name ONE proposed program to make families dependent upon government handouts.  ONE

If a family is the primary beneficiary of tax supported progams then it follows that it should help pay for those programs.

i'm ignoring voris because he's irrelevant but i'd like you to tell me exactly what tax supported programs family programs you are referring to.

peace

[ivanm]

ivan,  why do you keep on venting your id.  name ONE proposed program to make families dependent upon government handouts.  ONE

i'm ignoring voris because he's irrelevant but i'd like you to tell me exactly what tax supported programs family programs you are referring to.

peace

Food stamps and SRS make families dependent on welfare.  WIC, EITC,  and free school lunches are tax supported programs designed to benefit families.

Medicaid is tax supported at both state and federal level, and can be a family benefit. 

[Mornac]

I don't think the intent is to eradicate the family but to make it dependent upon government handouts for a beggarly existence.

--Same result.

As to more of a family's income being subject to taxation today, our wages have risen considerably since WW II. IMO the purpose of exemptions for dependentsx was to promote the formation of families but that doesn't seem to be a need anymore.

--Why not? Have families become unneccasary in our society?

If a family is the primary beneficiary of tax supported progams then it follows that it should help pay for those programs.

--What if doesn't want to be "the primary beneficiary of tax supported progams"? Should the be allowed to opt out? Where is the "pro-choice" crowd on this?

[ivanm]

--Same result.
--Why not? Have families become unneccasary in our society?
--What if doesn't want to be "the primary beneficiary of tax supported progams"? Should the be allowed to opt out? Where is the "pro-choice" crowd on this?

Part of living in America is complying with the majority rule.  However, I have always thought that families who send their kids to a private school should be given a break on their property taxes. This was once a big issue in Omaha because there are lots of Catholics living there.

[dagon]

Food stamps and SRS make families dependent on welfare.  WIC, EITC,  and free school lunches are tax supported programs designed to benefit families.

Medicaid is tax supported at both state and federal level, and can be a family benefit. 

who started these programs and when.  i said therre were no NEW initiatives and apparently you believe i was correct.

so why all this obama socialist bullshit?  he didn't have anything to do with starting these programs and he isn't proposing any new ones, 

peace

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

who started these programs and when.  i said therre were no NEW initiatives and apparently you believe i was correct.

so why all this obama socialist bullshit?  he didn't have anything to do with starting these programs and he isn't proposing any new ones, 

Why do you constantly go on this never ending quest to find excuses for why things haven't been "changed?"

Weren't we promised "Change?"

I "Hope" you can remember that some day.

[dagon]

Why do you constantly go on this never ending quest to find excuses for why things haven't been "changed?"

Weren't we promised "Change?"

I "Hope" you can remember that some day.

why wold obama change programs that he believes in?

peace

[Mornac]

Part of living in America is complying with the majority rule.

--I agree - except if complying with the majority would mean compromising ones moral code.

However, I have always thought that families who send their kids to a private school should be given a break on their property taxes. This was once a big issue in Omaha because there are lots of Catholics living there.

--I have no beef with state governments doing things their own way. If enough voters in Omaha want to change matters then they know what they have to do.

[ivanm]

--Same result.
--Why not? Have families become unneccasary in our society?
--What if doesn't want to be "the primary beneficiary of tax supported progams"? Should the be allowed to opt out? Where is the "pro-choice" crowd on this?

Families are important but let's promote quality over quantity.  There  are people who have sense enough to limit the number of children if they don't have the means to support more kids.  

Look, my previous wife had three small children, and finacially speaking she couldn't even keep herself let alone support children.  I thought that by loving them and taking care of them they might turn around, but it was too late as the slum mentality was firmly fixed in their minds and outlook on life. So even removing them from the slum environment did not change things, and all three of them grew up having behavorial problems.  The girl ran away from home and was living with an adult boyfriend who shared expenses with another adult male.  The little girl was only sixteen, and was gut shot one night by the friend.  It took Parkland hospital and the tax payers right at a million dollars and a year of treatment to save her. I'll spare you folks the gore of what they did to save her but beliefe me, it was no picnic.
 
 I really tried hard to help that little girl as she was pretty and wanted to become a model.  Even went so far as to set up an interview with a local modeling aqency, but no, that wasn't cool enough.  People like her tend to be short sighted, and they fall victim to the influence of every loser in the neighborhood.  We lived in a middle class hood, but who did these kids run with, the loser kids. For some reason they felt more at home with the deadbeat kids, and I have yet to learn why.

Just to show you the bind these kids can get into, the little girl married a deadbeat and became pregnagnt by him.  She miscarried one night and we got a call from the hospital, which would not do an I and D on her unless someone guaranteed the cost, the tab.  We put up the bucks because her husband had nothing but pipe dreams and his family wasn't able to help out. A lot of parents head off unwanted teen pregnancies by putting their girls on birth control pills.  That may sound terrible, but it is a practical way to prevent pregnancies that would likely would end up with an abortion.  

So what is going on, socially speaking.  The parents are just trying to help the teens pass thru the vulnerable years when they don't know their asses from a hole
in the ground.  Who can fault them for  that besides a bigot?

[Mornac]

Families are important but let's promote quality over quantity.

--Who’s going to be the judge of “quality”? The state?

There  are people who have sense enough to limit the number of children if they don't have the means to support more kids.

--Who’s going to be the judge of “enough means”? The state?

Look, my previous wife had three small children, and finacially speaking she couldn't even keep herself let alone support children.  I thought that by loving them and taking care of them they might turn around, but it was too late as the slum mentality was firmly fixed in their minds and outlook on life. So even removing them from the slum environment did not change things, and all three of them grew up having behavorial problems.  The girl ran away from home and was living with an adult boyfriend who shared expenses with another adult male.  The little girl was only sixteen, and was gut shot one night by the friend.  It took Parkland hospital and the tax payers right at a million dollars and a year of treatment to save her. I'll spare you folks the gore of what they did to save her but beliefe me, it was no picnic.

--That sounds more like a morality problem than a financial problem.

I really tried hard to help that little girl as she was pretty and wanted to become a model.  Even went so far as to set up an interview with a local modeling aqency, but no, that wasn't cool enough.  People like her tend to be short sighted, and they fall victim to the influence of every loser in the neighborhood.  We lived in a middle class hood, but who did these kids run with, the loser kids. For some reason they felt more at home with the deadbeat kids, and I have yet to learn why.

--I’m not going to make any judgments here. I don’t have adequate information.

Just to show you the bind these kids can get into, the little girl married a deadbeat and became pregnagnt by him.  She miscarried one night and we got a call from the hospital, which would not do an I and D on her unless someone guaranteed the cost, the tab.  We put up the bucks because her husband had nothing but pipe dreams and his family wasn't able to help out. A lot of parents head off unwanted teen pregnancies by putting their girls on birth control pills.  That may sound terrible, but it is a practical way to prevent pregnancies that would likely would end up with an abortion.

--They’d be less likely to end up with abortion if abortion were illegal.

So what is going on, socially speaking.  The parents are just trying to help the teens pass thru the vulnerable years when they don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

--Maybe they should try using some morality to help them through the vulnerable years. It’s been my experience that kids with a moral base tend to have an easier time telling the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground.
 

Who can fault them for  that besides a bigot?

--Fault who? The parents or the children?

[ivanm]

why wold obama change programs that he believes in?

peace

Apparently he doesn't believe in Medicare and Medicaid?

[ivanm]

"Fault who? The parents or the children?"

Oh yeah, blame the parents.  Hey brainiac, we both worked and did not have time to watch them every minute we were at home.  Brats have nothing more to to than to defy their parents but parents have to take time out to make a living.

I still think you need to start an orphanage for fucked up children and make good little Catholics out of them.  Some of the horniest and most flirtatious poeple and kids in the town where I grew up were Catholic, so don't hand me any shit about the virtues of being a Catholic.

Unless you want to keep them locked in their rooms you simply cannot control every waking moment of the little farts, so I don't want to hear any more of the parent blame shit either.   

By the way how'd your wife get pregnant if you are so virtruous?  Did you have a wet dream and she rolled in it, or was it  the mailman?   

[dagon]

Apparently he doesn't believe in Medicare and Medicaid?

obama isn't eradicating medicare or medicaid.  that's paul ryan's plan.

peace