Jobs go wanting for workers?

[ivanm]

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This is quite a story and points out just how many jobs are being taken from Americans by illegals.  I can relate to  that as a large number of Hispanics have swarmed into our little town to replace roofs that were damaged by a hail storm.  Hopefully a number of these people are legal as they will do work that most Americans don't want to do.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44793726/ns/us_news-life/


Alabama loses workers as immigration law takes effect

By PHILLIP RAWLS

updated 10/5/2011 7:07:45 PM ET

MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Alabama's strict new immigration law was touted as a job creation bill, a way to force illegal workers out of jobs and open them up for legal residents. Early indications are the plan is backfiring.

The law is driving away many construction workers, roofers and field hands who do backbreaking jobs Americans generally won't. So far, few legal residents have stepped in to fill any of the vacancies, creating an absence that will surely deal a blow to the state's economy and could slow the rebuilding of Tuscaloosa and other tornado-damaged cities.
 
Employers believe they can carry on because of the dismal economy, but when things do turn around, they worry there won't be anyone around to hire.

Rick Pate, the owner of a commercial landscaping company in Montgomery, lost two of his most experienced workers, who were in the country legally. He spent thousands of dollars training them to install irrigation systems at places like the Hyundai plant.
 
"They just feel like there is a negative atmosphere for them here. They don't feel welcome. I don't begrudge them. I'd feel nervous, too," Pate said.
 
While it's not clear how many of an estimated 185,000 Hispanic people in the state have fled, one estimate figured as much one-fourth of the commercial building work force had left since the law was upheld last week, said Bill Caton, president of Associated General Contractors of Alabama. Commercial construction is a more than $7 billion-a-year industry in Alabama.
 
Legislators said the law would help legal residents suffering from nearly 10 percent unemployment.
 
One of the bill's authors, Republican Sen. Scott Beason, said he expected short-term problems, but he has received "thank you" calls from two people who replaced illegal immigrants who fled their jobs. Beason predicts that trickle will become a rush.
 
"We have the best law in the country and I stand by what we've done," Beason said.
 
Financial toll will vary
On Chandler Mountain in north Alabama, tomato farmer Lana Boatwright said only eight of the 48 Hispanic workers she needed for harvest showed up after the law took effect. Those who did were frightened.
 
"My husband and I take them to the grocery store at night and shop for them because they are afraid they will be arrested," she said.
 
Farmer Chad Smith said his family farm stands to lose up to $150,000 because there are not enough workers to pick tomatoes spoiling in the fields.
 
"We will be lucky to be in business next year," he said.
 
The financial toll will vary by area, and experts said it's too early to make predictions.
 
The law allows police to detain people indefinitely if they are suspected of being in the country illegally and requires schools to check the status of new students when they enroll. Those elements make it perhaps the toughest law in nation.
 
The law targets employers by forbidding drivers from stopping along a road to hire temporary workers. It also bars businesses from taking tax deductions for wages paid to illegal workers and makes it a crime for an illegal immigrant to solicit work. A federal judge has temporarily blocked those sections of the law so she can study them more.
 
Cristian Gonzalez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, is a stay-at-home mother of four who lives in a mobile home in suburban Birmingham with her husband. They sneaked across the border in 2009 and planned to save money and eventually return to their home country.
 
"We're afraid to go to Walmart. I'm afraid to walk the kids up there to get the bus. I am afraid to drive," Gonzalez said.
 

Her husband worked as a brick mason and cook, but was recently unemployed. Now they have decided they probably will return to Mexico.
 
"We're just trying to be here one more year, but with this law ..." she said, her voice trailing off as she shook her head.
 
In Tuscaloosa, there is still a lot of rebuilding to be done after Alabama's killer tornadoes in April. Without the Hispanic workers to help out, it will take even longer for neighborhoods to be fixed up. Blake Corder, the president of the Home Builders Association of Tuscaloosa, noted that the workers had left the area and he even lost a few renters in the past week.
 
Exodus from schools
Likewise, schools are worried about their students who have suddenly stopped showing up for class. Out of 34,000 Hispanic students, 2,285 were absent Monday. That number increased from Friday by a few hundred.
 
The figures show seven out of every 100 Hispanic children were out of school, even though state school officials have tried to assure parents that they won't release their names to police and that no child will be denied an education due to legal status.
 
At Gonzalez' mobile home community, driveways were full of cars and trucks at midday Tuesday, a time when most residents used to be at work. A resident who didn't want to be identified out of fear of the law said people are afraid to venture out during daylight.
 

"People are just not going to work. They don't want to be arrested," the woman said.
    
Builders have complained they can't find replacement workers and delays in projects are expected. Once the economy picks up and construction returns to normal, the impact will increase, said Russell Davis, executive vice president of the Home Builders Association of Alabama.
 
"There is going to be a void. No question," Davis said.
 
_Associated Press writers Jay Reeves in Birmingham, Ala., and Dave Martin in Steele, Ala., contributed to this report.
 
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[ivanm]

Maybe those snot nosed punks who are demonsrating and littering up Wall Street need to go pick tomatoes or do construction work so they can learn the meaning and the value of an honest days work?  Those mental midgets have no one to blame but themselves if they aren't doing well.

Those assholes can't see the hyprocrisy of their attitudes toward the investment community.  They don't want others telling them how to do their jobs and yet they want to stick theri ignorant noses into the workings of Wall Street.   They are just sore losers IMO and would stop at nothing to gyp someone out of their assets.  So what is new in the New Age "me" generation of maladjusted punks?

[johnhp]

Maybe those snot nosed punks who are demonsrating and littering up Wall Street need to go pick tomatoes or do construction work so they can learn the meaning and the value of an honest days work?  Those mental midgets have no one to blame but themselves if they aren't doing well.

Those assholes can't see the hyprocrisy of their attitudes toward the investment community.  They don't want others telling them how to do their jobs and yet they want to stick theri ignorant noses into the workings of Wall Street.   They are just sore losers IMO and would stop at nothing to gyp someone out of their assets.  So what is new in the New Age "me" generation of maladjusted punks?

You really haven't a clue as to what is going on do you?  Why do you think these businesses hire undocumented workers?

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

Why do you think these businesses hire undocumented workers?

They work for peanuts/tacos.
You don't have to pay taxes for them.
They work harder.
You don't have to adhere to the ridiculous OSHA requirements.

*10,000 more available upon request*

[johnhp]

They work for peanuts/tacos.
You don't have to pay taxes for them.
They work harder.
You don't have to adhere to the ridiculous OSHA requirements.

*10,000 more available upon request*

i asked Ivan the question.

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

i asked Ivan the question.

You should IM him if you want a private message.

I am a full-fledged paid-in-full member here and I will respond to ANY AND ALL inquiries on this board.

If you don't like it, report me to Admin. 

[johnhp]

You should IM him if you want a private message.

I am a full-fledged paid-in-full member here and I will respond to ANY AND ALL inquiries on this board.

If you don't like it, report me to Admin. 

i was just letting you know why your response, such as it was, was not going to be answered.

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

i was just letting you know why your response, such as it was, was not going to be answered.

That's fine.

I was responding FOR the rest of the members' benefits.

If you get nothing out of it, that's cool, too.

This is your first internetting experience; isn't it?

[johnhp]

That's fine.

I was responding FOR the rest of the members' benefits.

If you get nothing out of it, that's cool, too.

This is your first internetting experience; isn't it?

Well, i doubt you have anything of value to offer other readers of the thread.  However, as i noted, i addressed the issue to Ivan because he raised the issue.  i am as uninterested in your response as your response is uninteresting.

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

[johnhp]

i am so glad you finally figured out the effect of your posting.

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

[ivanm]

That's fine.

I was responding FOR the rest of the members' benefits.

If you get nothing out of it, that's cool, too.

This is your first internetting experience; isn't it?

I don't  see that your response needed an answer but bubble head takes it on himself to insult and belittle every one who answers.

Yes, I can see why the employers hire the illegal laborers, for the reasons you have stated.  However, when gringos have it better lying in a jail cell or in front of the TV drinkng beeer then wetback labor is about all they can find. When you have thousands of dollars worth of perishable produce rotting on the vine you don't wait for some fucking losers from Obamaville to show up.  

He whines like a big assed social activist but just the same I will bet he also enjoys the fruits of wetback labor.  We all do to a certain extent when we consume fresh fruit and veggies, especially out of season.

Joan is one of those elitist idiots that knows  everything about a whole lot of nothing so pay him no mind.  Like a pissant, he is just a friggin nuisance.

I was thinking that inmates could be used to work in the fields and to work at rebuilding storm damaged homes, but maybe that is not a practical solution.
 
I know a young man who spent a year in the Kansas state pen because he was a habitual alcoholic. He wasn't a violent person and did not steal from people, so guys like him could be used on work release programs,  This guy went outside the walls during the day to learn the machinist trade as he was not a flight risk and was trustworthy.  He just couldn't leave the booze alone and was a public safety hazard, so they jailed him for a year.  It did not help, by the way.

[johnhp]

Yes, I can see why the employers hire the illegal laborers, for the reasons you have stated.  However, when gringos have it better lying in a jail cell or in front of the TV drinkng beeer then wetback labor is about all they can find. When you have thousands of dollars worth of perishable produce rotting on the vine you don't wait for some fucking losers from Obamaville to show up. 

This is why i like your answers to questions like this.  You whine that Americans will not work for as little pay as undocumented workers but you hate the undocumented workers who take these jobs Americans will not take.  If you do not want undocumented workers to people these jobs then these jobs are going to have to pay more.  Otherwise you are in the situation of bitching about undocumented workers taking jobs people will not do rather than actually addressing the issue.

[Mornac]

That's fine.

I was responding FOR the rest of the members' benefits.

--Thanks Suffered. I for one appreciated it.