Christianity is to Liberal USA as Judaism was to Nazi Germany

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Observers see gay agenda threatening religious freedom
 
By Kevin J. Jones
Sep 27, 2011

Legalizing “gay marriage” is having major repercussions for religious freedom, according to observers of the latest developments.
 
Princeton law professor Robert P. George cited the words of American Jewish Committee lawyer Marc Stern, who in 2006 said the conflict between religious liberty and same-sex marriage would be “a train wreck.”
 
“That train wreck has now arrived in states that have redefined marriage or have created schemes of legal recognition for same-sex partnerships as the equivalent of marriage,” George told EWTN News.
 
He cited incidents of religious adoption and foster care agencies being pushed out of work, some small business owners being fined or sued for not accommodating same-sex couples. Education is another “critical area.”
 
“Once a state recognizes same-sex partnerships as marriages or the equivalent, then naturally the argument is made that in family life classes in schools this has to be taught to be a valid partnership.”
 
Religious parents who do not want their children to be “indoctrinated in beliefs contrary to their own” are “out of luck,” said George, who founded the Manhattan Declaration project to defend religious liberty.
 
Town clerks and other officials with objections to participating in same-sex union ceremonies or to the granting of same-sex marriage licenses are already being told to find another job, George said.
 
For Catholics, Evangelical Christians, Orthodox Jews or others who cannot in conscience participate in such ceremonies, he explained, “you are not eligible to be a town clerk, because that’s one of the things that town clerks are required to do” in states that recognize the unions.
 
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who pushed through the state’s new “gay marriage” law in June, has said that those who cannot follow the new law should not hold the position of town clerk. A July 13 memo from the New York State Department of Health said it is a misdemeanor for a clerk to refuse to provide a marriage license to eligible applicants.

The major Manhattan law firm Proskauer Rose is presently seeking the resignation of Rose Marie Belforti, a Ledyard, New York town clerk, who cannot provide the licenses on account of her religious objections.
 
Maggie Gallagher, former chair of the National Organization for Marriage, said that the Nassau County district attorney has threatened clerks with criminal prosecution if they tried to refer a same-sex couple to another employee.
 
“Kudos to those who have refused to bow to Caesar’s demands. And even more kudos to those who've decided not to resign but to stay and fight for their own, and all our rights,” Gallagher said to EWTN News.
 
She characterized town clerks as “canaries in the coal mine” because they are among the first to be affected by the ideas embedded in the recognition of same-sex “marriage.”
 
“If we start speaking out, rising up together, this kind of persecution would not, cannot continue. Their hope is that we give up, give in, acknowledge their sovereignty over God’s,” she said.
 
“This we cannot do. We have to find the unshakeable 10 percent who will stand, who will speak truth in love to the new power, and make it clear we cannot be bribed or coerced into muting or disappearing.”
 
Gallagher said Gov. Cuomo should apologize to 65-year-old Ruth Sheldon, a Granby town clerk who resigned because she could not in good conscience sign same-sex marriage licenses.
 
“There is no cost to protecting religious liberty--failing to do so is simply mean-spirited and pointless.”
 
Assurances of religious freedom protections appear not to have helped Catholic Charities agencies in Illinois, where the state government is now refusing to renew its contracts for foster care and adoption services after the passage of a civil unions bill last December.
 
“They believe we’re in violation of the law and are refusing to contract with us because of our religious beliefs, that children are best raised in a home with a mother and a father,” Robert Gilligan, executive director of the Catholic Conference of Illinois, told EWTN News.
 
The conference believes the state is interpreting the law in an incorrect manner. Gilligan noted that the civil unions bill included religious freedom protection in its title and the Illinois Human Rights Act “clearly allows a religious adoption agency to discriminate.” An exchange on the Senate floor also established that it was not the intention of the bill to impede Catholic Charities’ or other faith-based organizations’ religious practice.
 
Nevertheless, Catholic child placement agencies may lose their funding and face closure.
 
“It’s really a tragedy if the state decides it can’t embrace different organizations of different faiths to perform social services and health care,” Gilligan said. He characterized the action as an impediment to religious liberties of both organizations and individuals.
 
“There are Catholic foster parents out there that only wish to perform foster care with Catholic Charities agencies,” he said.
 
Gilligan believes the actions in Illinois signal a major change in the place of Catholic institutions in the public square.
 
Scholars like Chai Feldblum, a Georgetown Law Center professor and lesbian activist who was appointed to the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, foresaw many conflicts coming between gay rights and religious liberty.
 
“She had trouble thinking of any cases where she believed the rights of religious liberty should triumph over gay rights,” George said.
 
He insisted that “(p)eople are bound to follow their consciences, especially in matters of religion, and the state should, to the extent possible, accommodate the religious consciences of its citizens.”
 
But instead of allowing religious freedom, marriage laws and anti-discrimination laws are being used as “instruments to whip dissenters from the laws into line” in order to change people’s views and to advance an agenda, George charged.

The laws are being used to “brand and label as bigots and the equivalent of racists people who have the temerity to say that marriage is a union of a man and a woman and to say that sex belongs in marriage and not outside of it.”

“It’s a great way to change the culture, by depicting your opponents as bigots and haters, and imposing on them civil disabilities by using the weapons of anti-discrimination law.
 
“It’s a brilliant strategy. I have to applaud them for the brilliance of the strategy as much as I loathe its bad faith and consequences,” George said.
 
Gallagher encouraged those who object to the legal recognition of same-sex unions.
 
“I think Christians and other people from traditional faith communities are being called in a new way to courage,” she said. “Are we going to volunteer to live in a world where the idea that marriage is the union of husband and wife because children need their mom and dad can be treated as the moral equivalent of racism?”
 
Proponents of same-sex “marriage” cannot win “unless they get us to agree to our own inferiority. Otherwise we are too many to stigmatize.”


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[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

God Hates Queers...mmmkay?

[ivanm]

I don't think the primary objective, if at all, of the gays is to damage religious beliefs.  In the church where I used to go there were a number of queers who had positions in the church, much to the dismay of some of us more heteros.  I think the flakes came to church and pushed their way in so they could gain acceptance, sort of an in your face thing.

Or did they also have spiritual needs like straight people do?  It is for sure the queers needed forgiveness big time.

Maybe the answer is for them to form their own congregations where they can have their orgies and idiocy and leave the straight people alone.  The sobs don't get it.   Straight people should be as entitled to choose who  they associate with as the queers are.

I look for the problem to get worse as time goes on, particularly if we get another nutcase liberal in the WH.

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

Homosexuals require recognition.  Okay.  We've given them recognition.  We recognize their "right" to penetrate one another's anus.  We recognize their "right" to commingle and cohabitate.

How could we NOT recognize them?  They've been in our fucking faces with it for decades.

Enough already!!

I have nothing against homosexuals.  I don't care what they do.  If heteros demanded this kind of recognition, they would be taken out front and shot.

[Coit]

I am in quite a conundrum with Mornac. If he and his cult leader really do speak for God then Mornac's logic is impeccable and everything he says is absolutely true.

Since there has to be somewhere in the neighborhood of a billion people or so who have claimed to speak for God that would mean that there is perhaps a one in ten million or so chance that Mornac is correct. With odds like that, maybe we ought to listen to him?

 

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

Does it really matter whose God is the right one?

He believes it.  What difference does it make?

Unless you have some unhealthy need to mock his beliefs, his God, you should STFU.

He won't convince you his God is real, and you won't convince him his God is fake.

[johnhp]

I don't think the primary objective, if at all, of the gays is to damage religious beliefs.  In the church where I used to go there were a number of queers who had positions in the church, much to the dismay of some of us more heteros.

So you are one of those people who is "more hetero" than not?

Or did they also have spiritual needs like straight people do?  It is for sure the queers needed forgiveness big time.

Like people who discuss killing them for nothing other than their gender orientation?  Do YOU need to be forgiven for that?

Maybe the answer is for them to form their own congregations where they can have their orgies and idiocy and leave the straight people alone.  The sobs don't get it.   Straight people should be as entitled to choose who  they associate with as the queers are.

I look for the problem to get worse as time goes on, particularly if we get another nutcase liberal in the WH.

So, are the gay people having orgies in your church and not inviting you?  Is that your problem?

[Coit]

Does it really matter whose God is the right one?

He believes it.  What difference does it make?

Unless you have some unhealthy need to mock his beliefs, his God, you should STFU.

He won't convince you his God is real, and you won't convince him his God is fake.

I won't convince you, either, that I never said his God was fake. What I actually said is written in plain English, right in front of your eyes. It's no wonder that you missed it completely.

I would explain it to you in idiot babble, if I could.

[johnhp]

Homosexuals require recognition.  Okay.  We've given them recognition.  We recognize their "right" to penetrate one another's anus.  We recognize their "right" to commingle and cohabitate.

How could we NOT recognize them?  They've been in our fucking faces with it for decades.

Enough already!!

I have nothing against homosexuals.  I don't care what they do.  If heteros demanded this kind of recognition, they would be taken out front and shot.

Why would we heterosexuals demand recognition for rights they already have?

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

So, are the gay people having orgies in your church and not inviting you?  Is that your problem?

Why are you so OCD about these mental images of male-to-male sexuality?

I don't get it.  Is it supposed to be amusing?

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

Why would we heterosexuals demand recognition for rights they already have?

What rights don't homosexuals have?

[johnhp]

Why are you so OCD about these mental images of male-to-male sexuality?

I don't get it.  Is it supposed to be amusing?

Oh, with you demanding people orally serive your testicles, i think these references make sense.  And Ivan needs it because, in addition to being in the closet (to himself if no one else), he thinks joking about murdering people for their gender orientation is amusing.

[johnhp]

What rights don't homosexuals have?

The right to marriage, for instance.

[SufferedMoreThanJesus]

The right to marriage, for instance.

They have other avenues for it...at least in this state they do.

They are called "Domestic Partnerships" and give them the same rights, and ironically the same OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, as marriage.

[Coit]

The great sufferer is one of those who believes that gay marriage will cheapen his relationships?