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« on: January 21, 2009, 08:24:09 PM »

Obama Speech Censored On Live Chinese TV

China's censorship devices were faced with a challenge during Obama's inauguration speech when the new American president mentioned the word communism. Chinese broadcasters quickly faded out the translator's voice and replaced it with an unsuspecting presenter.

Images from state TV channel CCTV. Six seconds into the video, Obama begins to say "Recall that earlier generations faced down fasc More..ism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions." After 20 seconds he had been silenced by the Chinese broadcasters. In reality, he went on to say: "To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist".

The presenter, visibly embarrassed by the sudden interruption, poses an impromptu question to a reporter, who then stumbles over a response about Obama's economic policy. On the Chinese web, only versions of the speech in English include references to communism and corruption. Extracts broadcast by the Chinese media and local press, however, were all censored.

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 03:38:13 PM »

I think the Chinese are being overly sensitive on this one.  Doesn't our huge trade deficit with them mean a thing?  We won't harm them unless they seek to do us harm, and as Obama said, we will extend a hand if they will be reasonable.
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 04:42:10 PM »

I'm not sure how communism has been 'faced down' by being in its largest customer-debtor.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 05:48:18 PM »

I'm not sure how communism has been 'faced down' by being in its largest customer-debtor.

I suppose we faced down communism by through our outspending them in the arms race which bankrupted the Soviet Union.    We're still in that race apparently but not sure who we're racing against anymore.

We bought so much and outsourced so much to China as a means to make them capitalist.   It didn't work so well though, they're a capitalist country with a communist government and they own us  Sad
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 06:12:24 PM »

I suppose we faced down communism by through our outspending them in the arms race which bankrupted the Soviet Union.    We're still in that race apparently but not sure who we're racing against anymore.

We bought so much and outsourced so much to China as a means to make them capitalist.   It didn't work so well though, they're a capitalist country with a communist government and they own us  Sad

It will be very interesting to watch how China continues to expand her economy inwards in order to ride the tide of the next couple of decades of global recession. The Chinese are net savers and China's huge domestic market will be supplied and serviced by Chinese manufacturers and suppliers.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 06:53:31 PM »

What would China do if we defaulted on our loans to them?  Sue us?  BFD.
It doesn't work like that. Those 'loans' aren't like IOU's that can be torn up, they are embedded into the very structure of the country. Currency, Banking, Industry, Retail, Real Estate.


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No one has ever paid us back for our loans to them.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 07:07:00 PM »

the next couple of decades of global recession.

You're quite the pessimist!   Come one man, things have to turn around in the next couple years in order for my retirement plan to work!
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 07:22:26 PM »

I'll admit it.  I don't understand "the system."

Apparently none of our leaders do, either, or else we wouldn't be in this situation we presently find outselves in; would we?
The leaders are not in the position in which they have put the rest of us, that's the whole point.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 07:25:25 PM »

Specifically I need the real estate market, the financial services sector and the DJIA, if these all come back to where they were a year or two ago, then I'll be in good financial standing.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 07:30:56 PM »

You're quite the pessimist!   Come one man, things have to turn around in the next couple years in order for my retirement plan to work!
I'm a realist... I'm more than 65% invested in gold and the stuff has to drop to 2002 prices before I'd come out even.

I believe this current correction is just about putting the markets into what can be valued as 'fair price'. The real problem is in their continued devaluation to below 'fair price', at that point the bubbles will start forming again... and they will.

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 07:37:44 PM »

Hey!  I've got an idear!  Let's encourage the Chinese to sign the Kyoto Protocol (before we do), make it universally "enforceable" and see how much manufacturing and supplying goes on there.
"Do as I say, not as I do." Only works when, "Might makes right." Nobody is in a position to encourage the Chinese to clean up their act by force.

In any case, who's in the position to pay Kyoto-prices at Walmart anyway?
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2009, 07:40:56 PM »

Specifically I need the real estate market, the financial services sector and the DJIA, if these all come back to where they were a year or two ago, then I'll be in good financial standing.
They will come back, nominally. Inflation alone will just about see to that.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 10:22:27 PM »

"Do as I say, not as I do." Only works when, "Might makes right." Nobody is in a position to encourage the Chinese to clean up their act by force.

In any case, who's in the position to pay Kyoto-prices at Walmart anyway?

The regulations and restrictions financial and otherwise are part of what started this outsourcing thing to begin with, no?

So, if it became just as expensive to buy at Walmart, perhaps American businesses would start manufacturing here again and help create jobs for the people who are losing their jobs left, right, and center....

At least China would be less polluted as well/
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2009, 05:37:15 AM »

The regulations and restrictions financial and otherwise are part of what started this outsourcing thing to begin with, no?

Yes and no. Regulation of domestic business practices has certainly helped keep the ball rolling, but the fact is, currency recycling is the real name of the game.

For the USA it started with petrodollar recycling, but soon migrated to the production and provision of almost every imported product and sevice. It can only be sustained as long as the importer country maintains control of a global reserve currency.




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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2009, 12:38:58 PM »

Hey!  I've got an idear!  Let's encourage the Chinese to sign the Kyoto Protocol (before we do), make it universally "enforceable" and see how much manufacturing and supplying goes on there.
Given that we have shipped many of the dirty manufacturing industries offshore, we won't have to worry about complying with Kyoto in that respect.  Surely that is not why we are losing good manufacturing jobs to third world nations.
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