Obama Preparing Order to Close Gitmo

[ivanm]

[The Lightworker]

Today, already, America is MUCH less safe than it was on Monday, when bush was still president.

Obambi seems to be moving VERY quickly to clear the way for the islamofascist terrorists, much more quickly than even I would have guessed.

[ivanm]

Today, already, America is MUCH less safe than it was on Monday, when bush was still president.

Obambi seems to be moving VERY quickly to clear the way for the islamofascist terrorists, much more quickly than even I would have guessed.

The closing of gitmo has been bantered around for months and the cessation of so-called torture tactics have been advocated ever since the situation in the Iraqi prison came to light.
So blaming Obama for what has already been in the works makes no sense to me.

I see this as a diplomatic move to help heal and restore our relationships with Islamic countries that are allies or potential allies.  What better tool against terrorism than to have moderate Islamic countries fighting with us instead of against us.  We have to build a trust with these people if we want their cooperation.  Frankly I think the torture thing has been hyped by the liberal media as a put down of Bush policies, and I think they need to stick with reporting the news and leave the defense of our country to the pros.

[lucy]

It's a delicate issue, isn't it? If we support Israel 100% in everything it does, we lose potential "allies" with Moslems. If we diss Israel, we lose the good graces of the Israelis.

Strange that China and Russia and others sort of sit back and watch all of this from the sidelines as far as public commentary goes, and are making deals with everyone in backrooms....

The US needs to rethink how we spend the money we don't have, thanks to the printing press of the Fed, and the banks who are using their "bailout" funds to pay billions to top execs who are laughing all the way to the bank, so to speak....

Thain. There's a great guy. Lost his new job at BOA, but not before he spent over a mil re-decorating his new office after his exodus from Merrill-Lynch in disgrace...And he's a Presbyterian/:D

[lucy]

Do you really believe there will ever be a time when Muslim will rise against Muslim when they have a "common cause" in the Infidel?

I don't believe Islam would ever allow it to happen.  It's pretty much common knowledge when Muslims don't have the Infidel to annihilate and subjugate, then, and only then, do they get back to their desire to murder one another.  In effect, if it wasn't for the U.S., they would be killing each other as they have been for centuries.

Maybe that's the solution.  Leave them to their own destruction.  Worked with the Hutus and Tutsis.  Worked for Iraq and Iran.  Worked in Cambodia and Vietnam.  Let 'em murder each other and let Allah sort it out.

We presume a lot about others, including God and Allah/

[lucy]

There's a lot of rather peaceful history in there as well....

Trade has been a good mediator, has it not? Are we not relatively "peaceful" with the Saudis, etc., for example? There have been times in history, especially before the OIL masters wanted to take over the control of resources, when people simply lived their lives in the ME...

[lucy]

From Wiki...

i"nhabited since at least the 15th century BCE, Gaza has been dominated by several different peoples and empires throughout its history. The Philistines made it a part of the their pentapolis after the Ancient Egyptians had ruled it for nearly 350 years. Under the Romans and later the Byzantines, Gaza experienced relative peace and its port flourished. In 635, it became the first city in Palestine to be conquered by the Rashidun army and quickly developed into a center of Islamic law. It slowly declined under the Fatimids, and by the time the Crusaders invaded the city, it was in ruins. In later centuries, Gaza experienced several hardships from Mongol raids to floods and locusts, reducing it to a village by the 16th century when it was incorporated into the Ottoman Empire. During the first half of Ottoman rule, the Ridwan dyansty controlled Gaza and under them the city went through an age of great commerce and peace."

link  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza

[lucy]

Actually, I am pretty sure a lot of the area was fairly remote. Many Arabs who lived in towns and villages before Israel was established and hence were moved ended up in the area known as GAZA, no? It's less that 30 miles top to bottom, and a few miles wide. Not a big place to land, frankly...very crowded.

[ivanm]

That is an interesting historical treatise, but is there a point in your posting it?  The Phillistines and the Phoenicians were in the area before Abraham moved in from
the north if I remember correctly. 

There also were some 30 to 40 thousand people of Jewish stock living in the area at the time modern Israel was created by fiat, and they too were known as Palestinians until Israel came into being.

So not everything is just as the media  wants us to believe it is. My main desire relative to this conflict is to see some sort of workable arrangement in the area that will stop the death and destruction of what little they do have.  I was surprised by the news photos to see that Gaza even multi story dwellings, and now much of that has been reduced to rubble.  Progress?

[ivanm]

I was trying to clarify something for Lucy about the history of the area.

ok, no problem.  I think we have seen equivalent data before but thank you for the effort anyway.  I like that sort of sincere work on your part. Keep it up.

[Case_Closed]

Annnnnnnnnnnnd three years later...

Must be a very long, convoluted and complex order I guess.

[ivanm]

Annnnnnnnnnnnd three years later...

Must be a very long, convoluted and complex order I guess.

Life for a liberal just isn't simple. 

[dustup]

Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center

Obama announces changes to Guantanamo detention policy

Updated: Wednesday, March 9th, 2011 | By Robert Farley

On March 7, 2011, President Barack Obama signed an executive order making a number of changes to policies regarding those detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. In a reversal of his previous policy, the order resumes military trials for Gitmo detainees. It also establishes a "periodic review" process for  for long-held Guantanamo detainees who have not been charged, convicted or designated for transfer, "but must continue to be detained because they 'in effect, remain at war with the United States,'" according to a White House fact-sheet.
More here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/

[IM2]

Life for a liberal just isn't simple. 

Liberal policy did not crash the economy. Nor was the invasion of Iraq based upon nothing done due to liberal policy either.

So like i keep saying, if I were a conservative, about right now, I'd shut the fuck up.

[Case_Closed]

Liberal policy did not crash the economy.

Of course "liberal policy" crashed the economy...and on top of that, it made the economy worse.  Thanks, assholes!!

Nor was the invasion of Iraq based upon nothing done due to liberal policy either.

Every single liberal "signed on to" the Iraq invasion.  In most cases they forced Bush to do it.

So like i keep saying, if I were a conservative, about right now, I'd shut the fuck up.

Yes, you do keep trying to quash our First Amendment Right to Free Speech.  Why do you hate America, IM2?