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[johnhp]

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Let's face, Marco Rubio is a little dishonest.  Maybe i am being to kind to him here.  Let's compare 2 of his statements.

These programs actually weakened us as a people. You see, almost forever, it was institutions in society that assumed the role of taking care of one another. If someone was sick in your family, you took care of them. If a neighbor met misfortune, you took care of them. You saved for your retirement and your future because you had to. We took these things upon ourselves in our communities, our families, and our homes, and our churches and our synagogues. But all that changed when the government began to assume those responsibilities. All of a sudden, for an increasing number of people in our nation, it was no longer necessary to worry about saving for security because that was the government’s job.

But this is what he said in May.....

For me, Medicare is not a political talking point. My parents immigrated to the United States in the late 1950s. They worked hard for over 40 years to provide their children the chance to do all the things they themselves could not. But they never made much money.

As a result, they retired with precious little in savings. Medicare was and is the only way they could access healthcare.

When my father got sick, Medicare paid for his numerous hospital stays. And as he reached the end of life, Medicare allowed him to die with dignity by paying for his hospice care.

and the kicker....

America needs Medicare. We need it to continue without any benefit reductions for those like my mother currently in the system. And we need it to survive for my generation and my children's generation.

So, he wants to weaken America?  And, i suppose an equally interesting question is why he hated his father enough not to care for him in the way baggers like Rubio claim used to care for ill family members?

[dagon]

So, he wants to weaken America?  And, i suppose an equally interesting question is why he hated his father enough not to care for him in the way baggers like Rubio claim used to care for ill family members?

exactly,  so when he's talking about entitlements weakening the nation,  he CAN'T be talking about medicare. 

so he must be but talking about soc. security.   but wait a minute,  that can't be right because we pay into that system.  which means people who receive soc. security are not freeloaders right?

i don't know what the fuck he's talking about;  really i do but it's always nice to see these guys getting themselves tangled up trying to appeal to the nuts.  they don't believe any of this shit.  they just want the votes.

peace

[foodserver]

John says,

Let's face, Marco Rubio is a little dishonest.

Please list all of the "honest" conservatives you know. 

[foodserver]

exactly,  so when he's talking about entitlements weakening the nation,  he CAN'T be talking about medicare.  

so he must be but talking about soc. security.   but wait a minute,  that can't be right because we pay into that system.  which means people who receive soc. security are not freeloaders right?

i don't know what the fuck he's talking about;  really i do but it's always nice to see these guys getting themselves tangled up trying to appeal to the nuts.  they don't believe any of this shit.  they just want the votes.

peace

   OK dags so which kind of mental illness is this particular conservative suffering from?  Or maybe he has a bad religion?

[Coit]

John says,

Let's face, Marco Rubio is a little dishonest.

Please list all of the "honest" conservatives you know. 

Let's start with you. I would not call you honest, but then I have a different way of looking at that than you do because I don't see willful ignorance as being honest in any way even if you admit to it.

I'm thinking here of the counter argument thing where you admitted to being ignorant of the existence and demanded that I set it out for you, even though it really had nothing to do with the point that was being made about your willful ignorance.

[dagon]

  OK dags so which kind of mental illness is this particular conservative suffering from?  Or maybe he has a bad religion?

you tell me?  i just think he's dishonest.  why don't you give me your opinion on how his recent statements aren't contradictory to what he has said before?

some analysis on your point would be welcome.

peace

[Coit]

you tell me?  i just think he's dishonest.  why don't you give me your opinion on how his recent statements aren't contradictory to what he has said before?

some analysis on your point would be welcome.

peace

I'd fall over dead if he was able to even come close to analysis of anything.

[ivanm]

exactly,  so when he's talking about entitlements weakening the nation,  he CAN'T be talking about medicare.  

so he must be but talking about soc. security.   but wait a minute,  that can't be right because we pay into that system.  which means people who receive soc. security are not freeloaders right?

i don't know what the fuck he's talking about;  really i do but it's always nice to see these guys getting themselves tangled up trying to appeal to the nuts.  they don't believe any of this shit.  they just want the votes.

peace

A portion of Medicare is paid from the general fund, and I think the disability part of soc. sec. is also paid from the general fund.  In other words, payroll taxes forsoc. sec. and Medicare do not pay these two expenses.

In saying this I am not trying to support or refute the man, just trying to lend some facts to the discussion.  The part of Medicare that the government has to dig up from income taxes and the soc. sec. disability  benefits are both becoming quite a burden.  I think that both of these should be refunded so we pay as we go with payroll deductions. The burden needs to be spread across those who stand to benefit someday from the programs.

Medicare Part A, which covers hospitalization does not require a monthly premium from the participant.  Part B, which covers doctor visits, lab work, and the like, requires a monthly premium of about 115 a month for most participants.

I am not aware of a specific provision or tax for soc. sec. disability coverage, but  I think the cost of such payments runs about 30 percent of the total outlays of the soc. sec. system and is becoming more of a burden each year.  Maybe people need to supplement or replace this coverage with a private sector disability plan, which used to be dirt cheap.

[dagon]

A portion of Medicare is paid from the general fund, and I think the disability part of soc. sec. is also paid from the general fund.  In other words, payroll taxes forsoc. sec. and Medicare do not pay these two expenses.

In saying this I am not trying to support or refute the man, just trying to lend some facts to the discussion.  The part of Medicare that the government has to dig up from income taxes and the soc. sec. disability  benefits are both becoming quite a burden.  I think that both of these should be refunded so we pay as we go with payroll deductions. The burden needs to be spread across those who stand to benefit someday from the programs.

i totally understand this but rubio apparently had no problem with the fact that part of the medicare coverage he was so grateful for when his father was in need was paid for by the general fund.

hence the dishonesty

peace

[ivanm]

Let's face, Marco Rubio is a little dishonest.  Maybe i am being to kind to him here.  Let's compare 2 of his statements.


But this is what he said in May.....


and the kicker....



So, he wants to weaken America?  And, i suppose an equally interesting question is why he hated his father enough not to care for him in the way baggers like Rubio claim used to care for ill family members?

In  regards to the old days when families took care of their own needs, a lot of people were either self employed as farmers and merchants or were wives that did not work outside the home.  As industry grew the people became increasingly dependent on their jobs to pay for such bennies, and a payroll tax is an equitable way to fund the programs IMO. Yes, the employer must pay a like share of the taxes for the employees, but it is a deductible business expense.  One must also realize that a self employed person can only deduct a lesser share of the expense from his business income.

If we want to weaken America then we need to throw the labor force to the wolves in this regard.  Apparently the clown doesn't work for a living and was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Either that or he is missing a few screws.

 I am a moderately conservative person but I get a little pissed when people try to fuck over the labor force.  Maybe that is why they like cheap labor from foreign sweat shops, no bennies to pay.  Maybe it is tiime the American workers need to come down on jerks like him like flies on shit.

[ivanm]

i totally understand this but rubio apparently had no problem with the fact that part of the medicare coverage he was so grateful for when his father was in need was paid for by the general fund.

hence the dishonesty

peace

No problem as I need to come up to speed in the issue before offering any more input.  I was just trying to add perspective to the discussion.

[foodserver]

Let's start with you. I would not call you honest, but then I have a different way of looking at that than you do because I don't see willful ignorance as being honest in any way even if you admit to it.

I'm thinking here of the counter argument thing where you admitted to being ignorant of the existence and demanded that I set it out for you, even though it really had nothing to do with the point that was being made about your willful ignorance.

Don't feel bad.  John doesn't know any "honest" conservatives either.

That was kinda my point...

[foodserver]

dagon says,

i just think he's dishonest.

OK so could YOU list all the "honest" conservatives YOU know.

John and coit need your help...

[foodserver]

ivanm says,

I was just trying to add perspective to the discussion.

Great line ivanm!  That's all I'm trying to do.  I'm really hoping dagon will list all of the "honest" conservatives he knows who are also members of a religious denomination he approves of.

I'm thinking the answer will be "none"--which should give us all the "perspective" we need...

[dagon]

dagon says,

i just think he's dishonest.

OK so could YOU list all the "honest" conservatives YOU know.

John and coit need your help...

we're talking about this conservative.  if you're trying to make the case that there are no honest conservatives,  then have at it.

peace