Traditionalist Catholic Update: Why so many anti-Semites?

[johnhp]

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Why are so many of Mornac's fellow Traditionalists anti-Semitic?

“Radical traditionalist” Catholics, who may make up the largest single group of serious anti-Semites in America, subscribe to an ideology that is rejected by the Vatican and some 70 million mainstream American Catholics. Many of their leaders have been condemned and even excommunicated by the official church.

The largest single group of anti-Semites in America.  That is a lot to think about.  Of course, Mornac is silent on the issue whenever it comes up.


http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/radical-traditional-catholicism

"The perpetual enemy of Christ is the Jewish nation," Brother Mary roared, explaining that the aim of the Jews is to "destroy all Christian nations." Mary blamed Jews for both world wars -- an opinion also mouthed by the drunken Mel Gibson -- and a coming world government. Professing from the pulpit a "great hatred" of Jews, Brother Mary declared that "Jews are the synagogue of Satan" -- a phrase that is also part of the official ideology of the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/winter/the-new-crusaders?page=0,2

[ivanm]

I would say that this is a bigoted view of the relationship between Jews and Gentiles, and it may have a basis in the NT writings.
You may find this same sentiment in the Protestant fundie sects as they are famous for their idiocy.
 
I further doubt that Mornac deserves the connotation that you have levied towards him.  If he actually feels that way then I am sure he will explain why.

Once again, the guy at least has some moral convictions, something I haven't seen in you.

[johnhp]

I would say that this is a bigoted view of the relationship between Jews and Gentiles, and it may have a basis in the NT writings.
You may find this same sentiment in the Protestant fundie sects as they are famous for their idiocy.
 
I further doubt that Mornac deserves the connotation that you have levied towards him.  If he actually feels that way then I am sure he will explain why.

Once again, the guy at least has some moral convictions, something I haven't seen in you.

Of course he will remain silent.  His defense was to post an attack on the people documenting anti-Semitism among Traditionalist Catholics by one of the most extreme antiSemitic papers.  He has never once denounced anti-Semitism on this site when confronted with evidence of it in Traditionalist Catholicism.

Moral convictions?  WHat good are those if they lead a person to the wrong conclusions at every turn?

[Mornac]

I would say that this is a bigoted view of the relationship between Jews and Gentiles, and it may have a basis in the NT writings.
You may find this same sentiment in the Protestant fundie sects as they are famous for their idiocy.

--Problem is ivan, that it isn’t the view of anyone I know.  It is a concoction of the  SPLC which is arguably the most corrupt organization in the United States today.

I further doubt that Mornac deserves the connotation that you have levied towards him.  If he actually feels that way then I am sure he will explain why.

--If I actually felt that way I would say so. I’m not like others around here who cower away from their own privatly professed beliefs simply because they conflict with popular liberal doctrine.

Once again, the guy at least has some moral convictions, something I haven't seen in you.

--I think he may have some. He’s just afraid to say what they are in front of his liberal friends.  Remember how he squirmed on this thread? Such is the daily and hourly portion of the Novus ordo dissident.

[johnhp]

--Problem is ivan, that it isn’t the view of anyone I know. 

Who claimed you knew them.  You are certainly aware of the contents of their statements and the publications.

[johnhp]

You also post or have posted at Ignis Ardens forum

This is dedicated to Ethelred, who thinks my removal of three of his posts yesterday indicates unease on my part about the quote one of his posts included from Archbishop Lefebvre:


QUOTE ("Marcel Lefebvre" by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais @ Angelus Press, pages 602-603)
Since Israel refused the true Messiah, it would give itself another messianism that is temporal and earthbound, dominating the world by money, Freemasonry, Revolution, and social democracy.
We must not, however, forget that those Jews who were disciples of the true Messiah founded the true Israel, the spiritual kingdom, which prepares the heavenly kingdom.
The worldwide designs of the Jews are being brought about in our time, but they started with the foundation of Masonry and the Revolution which has decapitated the Church and set up worldwide socialist democracy

That little anti-Semitic ditty was thanks to the owner Clare and was followed up by references to anti-Semitic authors and more quotes from the founder of the SSPX an organization you have openly supported.


One poster decries not being allowed to openly express more extreme anti-Semitism:

"Even I am now having to walk on egg shells here and fear using the K word .... to avoid incurring Wimbledon displeasure .... anyone for tennis?"


"Oh yes, from his actions and statements, even Bp. Fellay would regard the archbishop as being anti-semitic in the same way he does Bp. Williamson. The sifting machine is in full swing in the land of the cuckoo clock, singing new songs. "

And this was just the most recent stuff.  i could not find your rebuff of any of your fellow traditionalists.

[johnhp]

Hell, you had a chance to stand up against antisemitism when the Williamson story broke a couple of years ago on Ignis ardens yet you let the anti-semitic posts of your fellow traditionalists pass without comment.

In point of fact you posted an article of Fellay's refusal to condemn Williamson.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Bg_CxcbvcaQJ:z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D3306%26st%3D25+%22anti-semitism%22+%22mornac%22&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com