And you thought that Obama inherited a bad economy

[IM2]

Sassy,

If you you are hired to revive a patient that was dying because of  the polices or procedures of another doctor, its not your fault if the patient dies. Nor can you be blamed if that patients recovery is not happening fast enough. Nor can you be blamed if the patients recovery does not happen as fast as you  predict. You also canot be blamed if the dying patients has fits and spurts of bad health while in recovery.

You are willingly falling for the shit republicans want you to fall for. Ignore their role in this, and blame it all on Obama. What would have happened if they would actually have gone along with his original numbers for the stimulus?

Maybe we would not be at whatever rate of unemployment we are at now.  But republicans could not have that, because if this happened they could not regain power.

So then they would rather see milions go unemployed and suffer than to do their fucking jobs and help the president make shit change for the better.

Just like Obama presented all kinds of sensible proposals to republicans relative to the debt ceilng argument. Republicans turned all of them down and damn near waited until the nation would go into  default before doing a routine procedure which had been done for many other presidents.

Then the congress and people like you blame Obama for the S&P downgrade when S&P stated that it was the attitude of congress that caused them to downgrade.
 
They have used every procedural method they could to clog things up, to stall things, and to try stopping thigns.

You cannot see the problem, and its because you don't want to.

I see it plain and clear, and the problem is not Barack Obama.

[Sassy]

As far as Republicans go...I do not "Ignore their role in this".  What you seem to have a problem with is that I don't "ignore" Obama's role in this, either.

[IM2]

Sassy,

I have no problem with you  holding Obama accountable. But if you are going to do that, then maybe you had better be able to admit that republican obstruction is the reason why much of what he has tried has not been accomplished, or has been half done.

Watch what happens this fall as he tries presenting a jobs program. Watch how republicans play you the same tune about his spending. You have already fell for the defiicts were rising and Obamas setting records song without even thinking, so it seems sassy. And while they play you that song, watch how they will not have a plan unless that plan heavily tilts towards owners and milionaires who don't need the help.

Because if you studied what happened the last time our economy was in this bad of shape, you will see that the president at that time embarked upon a massive spending program. Midway thorugh  his time, republicans got skiddish, claming he was running this nation into inoperable debt and he decreased the stimulus which actually made the depresison last longer than it would have lasted.

At least FDR got the money he wanted to start his stimulus, while Obama did not get the amount he needed to make it work the way he wanted it to.

You don't seem to be able to see this sassy. Instead it appears that you simply fall for the scare tactics republicans give you about increasing debt. A debt they made.

Ask Ronald Reagan about it.

[Sassy]

Obama couldn't manage to get anything done when the Dems controlled the whole kit-n-kaboodle.  The Republicans took back the House because voters were tired of that fact.  To blame Obama's lack of accomplishments on "Republican obstruction" is disingenuous on your part.

[foodserver]

As far as Republicans go...I do not "Ignore their role in this".  What you seem to have a problem with is that I don't "ignore" Obama's role in this, either.

no shit...

[ivanm]

no shit...

Good point. 
As usual the guy tries to shove Obama's failures under the rug by blaming someone else for his lack of progress. If Obama's programs made sense then maybe the Pubs would support them.  However, throwing borrowed money down a black hole is not going to do anything but wrack up more debt that we aren't willing to pay.

[IM2]

Sassy,

The 60 vote rule used by republicans killed a lot of things in the senate. You seem to miss this. Again republicans used every procedural method they could use and that was one of them they used the most.

YOU don't seem to get it. If Obama had really been such an abject failure, then I would not be arguing with you, but the truth is that he has done a lot of things. For example you as a female need to be glad he signed a law that makes certain you can get the same pay for doing the same work as a man. You seem to miss this also.

Repeating propaganda is not going to work in this discussion sassy. You have ignored critical facts and think that your positon has validity. Legislation passed the house and got stalled in the senate by the 60 vote rule. Republicans filibustered in record fashion, I mean they did anything they could do in order to make Obama look ineffective knowing that the general public would not pay attention to what they were doing and blame Obama. You have fallen for it, and what you need to do is pay attention to whats going on on all sides.

No, I am not totally happy with everything Obama has done, but I also understand that I am one in 300 milion. I am less happy with a group of people who would rather see the nation go into default, who would rather see millions of lives ruined with the hope that everyone will blame Obama so they can regain power. A group of people with no plan, who told everyone how they would create jobs and did not do so, but they were able to pass all kinds of overeaching laws that dictated abortion rights, how planned parenthood was going to work or not work and other types of very intrusive laws.

So ask yourself  this question Sassy:

If the people were tired of Obama not being able to do anything, and these guys promised jobs, where are the jobs they were supposed to create?

ivan,

You are a true dipshit. It takes money to do things, so then its going to take money to fix the mess your side made.

Unless you know some secret whereby all of the mess your side made can be solved for free.

There were ideas Obama provided that were supported by republicans. Until Obma mentioned them, then suddenly they had to be stopped.

Then again what does your opinion mean? Obama is just another coon to your old punk white ass.

[Observer]

IM, you racist asshole...

I just wanted to get that in there so you could start claiming persecution again.

You keep citing FDR as precedent for Obama's outrageous spending. FDR nearly destroyed the economy. What saved him was World War II. His programs made the Great Depression far worse and last far longer than it would have if he had just let it run its course.

Obama is doing the same thing. I would really rather not have to start a war with Russia or China in order to save his little punk ass.

[IM2]

Observer,

You are incorrect about FDR. As usual.

Secondly, what you fail to note is that the great depression would never have been if not for republicans named Smoot and Hawley.