For our friends in London.....

[Mornac]

12 August 2011
Never mind the looters, what about the ‘fascists’?
The moral assaults on the Enfield ‘vigilantes’ confirm that the cultural elite fears the white working classes more than it does riotous youth.

Brendan O’Neill

We Brits may live in an era of extreme political flux and 24-hour rolling news, where the chattering classes are almost malarial in their feverish leaping from one issue to another, but there is at least one constant in modern political life: fear and loathing of the white working classes. However unpredictable the political realm becomes, however mercurial and consumed by spin our rulers allow themselves to get, we can always be sure that a) the sun will come up in the morning and b) people with names like Steve and Chantelle will be fingered as the cause of every social and moral problem.

And so it has been this week, which kicked off with reckless rioting by multi-ethnic yoof in inner-city patches, yet which ended, bizarrely but at the same time predictably, with an orgy of elite handwringing about those non-rioting white working classes who haunt London’s suburbs. That some of ‘these people’ dared to patrol their streets, to set up miniature citizen armies to see off the chancers and tricksters of the looting lobby, has been treated as the No.1 threat now facing Britain. They are a ‘white mob’, we are told, who could precipitate a ‘race war’. According to the deputy mayor of London, Kit Malthouse, their community-protection antics are ‘deeply undesirable’. Come on Kit, you can say it: you think these people are ‘undesirables’.

This riotous week has confirmed that the great and the good of Great Britain don’t have much in the way of a shared morality anymore. At the start of the week, the political class, cops and Fourth Estate all proffered various explanations for the youthful violence, often pointing the finger of blame at each other in a moral stand-off not dissimilar to the final scene in Reservoir Dogs. Yet by Friday they were tentatively re-linking arms around the one thing they agree on: that there is nothing scarier - nothing - than the sight of 100+ white blokes on the streets, shouting things in those gruff voices they have. You may have looked at the groups of men in Enfield and Eltham and seen working people keen to protect their homes and shops, but the upper echelons of society, through their snob-goggles, saw the emergence of an English version of the Third Reich – they saw ‘race hate’ and ‘fascists patrolling the streets’.

The Metropolitan Police now seem to be devoting as much energy to issuing warnings to the ‘white mob’ to lay down their baseball bats and go back to their Mock Tudor houses as they are to analysing their own fantastic failure to get a handle on the riots. This ‘vigilantism’, as a Met spokesman called it, ‘needs to stop’. ‘These so-called vigilantes, who appeared to have been drinking too much, are taking police resources away from [preventing the looting]’, says the Met. Confirming that the powers-that-be believe that white people of a more common persuasion are just one YouTube video away from turning into goose-stepping race warriors, a senior Met commissioner said far-right groups could ‘hijack’ the ‘vigilante movement’, threatening to give rise to what one journalist (who presumably had also been drinking too much) described as ‘anarchy in the UK’ with ‘fascists on the the streets’.

Note to the cultural elite: Just because someone is white and possibly a labourer and not currently glued to the American remake of The Killing, that doesn’t mean he is a fascist. The police’s PR assault on the ‘vigilantes’ in Enfield and Eltham, suburbs with large white working-class communities, shows that what the cops lack in riot-tackling skills they more than make up for with shamelessness. This is a force so paralysed by risk-aversion, so witlessly scared of provoking controversy, that this week it effectively stood back and allowed young people to loot shops, burn cars and destroy homes. It seems that in the morally inverted world of the modern police, such destruction is a price worth paying if it means their own officers don’t get a graze or PTSD. Upon what moral authority is the Met now telling working people not to patrol their communities? Cops bussed into a suburb might consider it acceptable to allow youth to smash things up in the hope that they’ll eventually tire, but for the people who live in those suburbs, who have a moral, emotional and economic attachment to them, that really isn’t an option. It takes brazenness to a brand new level for a state which failed to police the streets to libel those citizens who decided to do it for themselves.

Meanwhile in the media, the double standards exercised in relation to anti-riot citizen groups have been so explicit that it even seems weird to point them out. Where the white middle-class inhabitants of Clapham who took part in a ‘Riot Clean-Up’ were hailed as heroes, alongside the Turkish men who stood guard outside their restaurants and the Sikhs who wielded baseball bats in protection of their temples, the white working classes in Enfield and Eltham who displayed an equally vigorous determination to protect their communities have been described as fodder for ‘fascists’, a ‘mob’ – in a nutshell: scum. As one Guardian columnist put it, we of course all admire the Turks and Sikhs, but ‘when it’s a large group of Millwall supporters, in a pub all day, talking about doing the police’s job for them, it creates the impression that they’re spoiling for a fight… using the chaos to bust into a racial confrontation’.

Now as it happens, I also have great admiration for the self-styled Mrs Mops who cleaned up Clapham and for the Turks and Sikhs who with appropriate menace stood guard outside their business and religious institutions. In the absence of any top-down morality or even basic provision of security, these people took it upon themselves to police their communities, and they did a far better job of it than the police. But I also recognise that the idea that the community-protection schemes in Enfield and Eltham were fundamentally different, not so much Blitz-spirited as Nazi-inspired, is based on nothing but twisted prejudices towards white working-class communities.

Using words that wouldn’t have looked out of place in Virginia Woolf’s diaries on one of her off-days, one radical journalist claimed that ‘in Enfield a mob of white men swarmed through the streets chanting “England”’. Chanting ‘England’?! Quick, lock them up. (Why do the working classes always seem to ‘swarm’ or to ‘sprawl’? They swarm into football stadiums, swarm into pubs, live in sprawling suburbs…) Pointing out that some members of the right-wing English Defence League were allegedly involved in the ‘vigilantism’, the journalist continued: ‘They were laughing, drinking and intimidating people. Some of them gave salutes.’ How wonderfully vague – the reader is left to guess whether this means they innocently waved to each other or stuck their hands in the air and said ‘Sieg Heil!’.

The riots have confirmed, once more, the gaping chasm between Britain’s elites and its white working-class natives. In the eyes of our betters and rulers, these whites are the true aliens. Indeed, it is striking that whenever there’s a major upheaval these days, the instantaneous response of the high-minded is to ask ‘Oh god, how will the white working classes respond?’. After 7/7, the powers-that-be panicked about an ‘Islamophobic backlash’ among disgruntled whites, posting police outside mosques and encouraging everyone from GPs to teachers to look out for ‘racism and prejudice’. Now, following the inner-city riots, all eyes are once again on Those People, the flag-wavers, the beer-drinkers, the people who ‘chant England’ for Christ’s sake, who will possibly turn into a violent vengeful horde. Where some happy-clappy Christians live their lives through the question ‘What Would Jesus Do?’, Britain’s great and good seem to organise their morality and security around the question ‘What Will The White Working Classes Do?’, treating this blob of people as a pogrom-in-the-making who could be provoked into fascistic fury any minute now.

So this peculiar week has ended with the peculiar situation where some in the liberal elite are expressing sympathy for the rioting youth, while simultaneously spitting bile at ‘white mobs’. Why? In essence, the cultural elite feels a closer affinity with the moral-lite rioters because, largely through the welfare state, it has some influence on those people’s lives and outlooks. In areas where welfarism is entrenched, the elites have some leeway to influence morality, to push parenting in a certain direction, to import their own decadent, relativistic values and spread them among the poor. It has no such purchase, or certainly less purchase, in more productive, self-sufficient working-class areas, where people are less reliant on the state and more reliant on each other, and where they have their own traditions and values thank you very much (which, yes, sometimes includes ‘chanting England’). The elites’ failure to colonise fully these white working-class areas makes them view such areas as strange, unknowable, full of people with rough hands and a weird penchant for post-work pints of beer. Indeed, the thing that most unites the lumpenproletariat and the decadent bourgeoisie is a fundamental disdain for the ‘labouring nation’, for people who work for a living and who try their best to govern their own lives. How dare they live outside of the moral universe created by the chattering classes? What is wrong with them? They must be fascists.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10979/

[notoc]

Mornac, What would you call a group of British men of Turkish descent protecting their premises from vandalism, looting and arson?

What if it were a group of British men of Turkish and Greek descent ... or a group of those of British, Pakistani and Indian descent?

What about the multicultural make-up of all the groups cleaning up after the 'riots'?

The British National Party was as disappointed that the 'rioters' weren't all black as it was disappointed that the clean-up volunteers weren't all white. The exact same British National Party who ignorantly used a picture of a Polish flown WWII Spitfire on it's last general election leaflets and contracted a distribution company made-up of a predominantly immigrant workforce, supposedly for reasons of economy.

I'd love to see you get up on a soap-box at Speaker's Corner ... you wouldn't last 2 minutes before the laughter drowned you out.

[Mornac]

Mornac, What would you call a group of British men of Turkish descent protecting their premises from vandalism, looting and arson?

--Citizens protecting their premises from vandalism, looting and arson. What would you call them?

What if it were a group of British men of Turkish and Greek descent ... or a group of those of British, Pakistani and Indian descent?

--Citizens protecting their premises from vandalism, looting and arson. What would you call them?

What about the multicultural make-up of all the groups cleaning up after the 'riots'?

--Victims.

The British National Party was as disappointed that the 'rioters' weren't all black as it was disappointed that the clean-up volunteers weren't all white.

--Link please?

The exact same British National Party who ignorantly used a picture of a Polish flown WWII Spitfire on it's last general election leaflets and contracted a distribution company made-up of a predominantly immigrant workforce, supposedly for reasons of economy.

--Did the company made-up of a predominantly immigrant workforce object, or did they do the job and cash the check?
 

I'd love to see you get up on a soap-box at Speaker's Corner ... you wouldn't last 2 minutes before the laughter drowned you out.

--I don’t have to go to Hyde Park to find an ignorant populace. I’d get the same treatment if I tried it at Bughouse Square. It’s a stupid and futile way to try to educate people. 

[johnhp]

Mornac, What would you call a group of British men of Turkish descent protecting their premises from vandalism, looting and arson?

What if it were a group of British men of Turkish and Greek descent ... or a group of those of British, Pakistani and Indian descent?

What about the multicultural make-up of all the groups cleaning up after the 'riots'?

You mean when he isn't referring to them as terrorists?

The British National Party was as disappointed that the 'rioters' weren't all black as it was disappointed that the clean-up volunteers weren't all white. The exact same British National Party who ignorantly used a picture of a Polish flown WWII Spitfire on it's last general election leaflets and contracted a distribution company made-up of a predominantly immigrant workforce, supposedly for reasons of economy.

I'd love to see you get up on a soap-box at Speaker's Corner ... you wouldn't last 2 minutes before the laughter drowned you out.

Make no mistake he would get along very well with the BNP.

[Mornac]

A Reader’s Response: ‘UK Riots – This Has To Be Their Strategy’

By Anthony Taylor

As a dyed-in-the-wool conspiracist I am not sure whether the long term effects of the recent riots will be good or bad. However, one thing is clear, when the general public, particularly the elderly are made afraid for their own safety, and when we, the multicultural components of our society get tricked into fighting it out with each other, our mutual enemy will congratulate themselves on a job well done. From our position of weakness our best defence would seem to be to try to ensure that neither of these things happen, by controlling the behaviour of those who unwittingly or not are working for the other side when they discredit the rest of us.

With regard to our ongoing wars, many of us are left with the impression that British people are totally indifferent to ‘violence and criminality’, and it comes as some surprise to find out that they can still become quite angry about the ‘hooligans’ who break windows and try on the Nike trainers they have no intention of paying for. Is it too much to hope for, that the practice of raining down cluster bombs, white phosphorus and depleted uranium on undefended civilian adults and infants alike, might one day enrage us in a similar way?

Does the answer to this puzzle lie in common-or-garden hypocrisy, the acquired skill of ‘double think’ or the acceptance of the theory that in the interest of social evolution, the Moral Relativism of our leaders should be adopted and supported by the rank and file without question? People familiar with the present and past history of Tony Blair, will see in his career a bold experiment in social engineering as he smoothly escorted us through his role of war mongering criminal and supporter of child abuse, into his present day caricature of a warm-hearted philanthropist with a pious dedication to spiritual values; all this being done it would appear, in order to persuade us that our own simple minded inability to comprehend the shifting complexities of the modern world, prove the need for us to abandon our personal moral compasses in favour of a single, central instrument commandeered by experts such as himself.

Social engineers, having devoted year after endless year at great public expense ‘thinking’ in ‘tanks’ have gained a comprehensive understanding of human behaviour, including every physical twitch and psychological nuance of potential dissenters and social deviants; plus of course a mountains of other useful facts about the bulk of us who seem to have no inclination whatsoever to even quietly raise questions. They now know a great deal about what makes human beings tick, and how, if required, that tick can be adjusted to a rhythm more to the liking of their paymasters.

No doubt each and every participant in the recent riots had their own personal reasons for taking part and were generally of the opinion that their initial actions were spontaneous. Nevertheless the intensive researches carried out by Tavistock-style investigators, mean that episodes such as these can be arranged by design and are in fact intended to continue over an estimated thirty year period of civil unrest accompanied by a catastrophic reduction in world population.

The vast majority of us, who were formerly more or less content to ‘know our place’ still seem to be unaware or unwilling to recognise that in the coming New World we are to be denied any place whatsoever, other that is, than to be instrumental in our own eradication. Meanwhile, those of us who are still ‘fortunate’ enough to find paid work in the dwindling spectrum of minimum wage drudgery available to us, will often quiz the unemployed about what is it they intend to do to repay their debt to society (As in High Society perhaps?), as though the fact that dropping out, or being irresistibly pushed out are in no way related.

Today’s dispossessed youngsters, totally deprived of function together with its attendant sense of self-worth can be further goaded into ‘cutting up rough’ by such criticism. Relentless conditioning that has hard-wired their pleasure centres directly to woefully inadequate credit cards also fuels a growing sense of grievance. A somewhat less negative incentive for some to run riot might be the rare and exhilarating sensation of participating in a common purpose; an impression of ‘fighting back’ in a defiant act of protest against being discounted and dismissed perhaps?

This spontaneous ‘common purpose’, unlike the ongoing and heavily marketed anti-democratic movement of the same name, appears to celebrate the voluntary high-spirited cooperation of disparate individuals, rather than the strictly enforced uniformity of the terminally compliant. In spite of the well publicised declarations of shock and horror some isolated acts of violence cause; it would surprise no-one if these were found to have been actively encouraged by those involved in the deliberate provocation of disorder. It is in this way that  the steam required to propel

The Ultimate Agenda together with its Final Solution towards the ultimate Brave New World could be generated.

http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=25226

[ivanm]

"As a dyed-in-the-wool conspiracist I am not sure whether the long term effects of the recent riots will be good or bad. However, one thing is clear, when the general public, particularly the elderly are made afraid for their own safety, and when we, the multicultural components of our society get tricked into fighting it out with each other, our mutual enemy will congratulate themselves on a job well done. From our position of weakness our best defence would seem to be to try to ensure that neither of these things happen, by controlling the behaviour of those who unwittingly or not are working for the other side when they discredit the rest of us."

Part of the jihadic strategy is to turn people against each other and get them to do their bidding.  What a sick way of outsourcing?  Sick as it may be, it is working.

[johnhp]

Part of the jihadic strategy is to turn people against each other and get them to do their bidding. 

You mean the way bin Laden did by bringing our military to Afghanistan resulting in a much more destabilized region with Islamicists close to have Pakistan's nukes.  Yes.  Bush was a tool.

[Mornac]

Britain’s Sick Society

From the desk of Robert Wistrich
2011-08-26

Watching the ferocious criminality displayed during the riots in British cities during the past weeks, one might be forgiven for thinking that this explosion of mob violence was taking place in some dilapidated god-forsaken Third World country. The horrific scenes of homes and businesses of ordinary Britons going up in flames will not be easily forgotten. Property was smashed up with brazen impunity, cars burned, and there was looting on a truly massive scale. Not only businesses, banks, post-offices, off-licenses, newsagents and luxury-goods shops but also restaurants, pubs and cafes were comprehensively trashed. The video-recordings often show hooded looters replete with bundles of “free” sports goods under their arms, emerging from shops with big grins on their faces. Looters helped themselves to everything from flat-screen TVs and mobile phones to iPads, laptops and a wide variety of electronics.
 
For the first three days, the Metropolitan Police (MET) in Britain’s capital city appeared alarmingly powerless to stem the tide. The police have, unfortunately, had to function within a society paralyzed by the politics of victimhood, loudly defended by an increasingly misguided liberal intelligentsia. Within this victim culture most social problems are conveniently blamed on the “racism” or oppression of the majority, while ignoring the failings or delinquency of criminal individuals or gangs. Under this banner, even the British riots can be blamed on unemployment, poverty and the cuts in public spending (not yet implemented) proposed in the austerity program of the Cameron government. The simplistic equation adopted by the liberal Left sees the root cause of social disorder in “economic despair” and unspecified “racial tensions” between various communities. Not unexpectedly, London’s former Leftist Mayor, “Red” Ken Livingstone, immediately blamed the “Thatcherism” of the present Tory Government for the violence. For Livingstone and most of the Labour Left, it is all stunningly obvious – no spending cuts, no riots.
 
This has also been the kneejerk response of the New York Times, pontificating about the alienation and resentments of Britain’s unemployed youth, as if they were the real victims. But as Max Hastings pointed out in the London Daily Mail, the British mayhem was not sparked by hunger or evidence of real want, let alone any social or political agenda. It reflects the emergence not just of an amorphous underclass but of an amoral, brutalized subculture in which intellectually challenged youngsters claimed to be showing the rich and the fuzz that “we can do what we like.”
 
British Prime Minister, David Cameron, got it partly right when he responded to the chaos by stating: “This is not about poverty, it’s about culture” – a culture of rights and no responsibilities. But conservatives as much as liberals or leftists are to blame for their foolish support for a dependency culture in which recipients of the largesse of the welfare State have no incentive to be employed. Together with the dependency culture, came the disastrous assumption of entitlement to a high standard of living irrespective of any individual effort. As a result, the nanny-State has created a generation of morally crippled youths with no compunction about willfully smashing up their own communities.
 
During the last 40 years Britain has seen the breakdown of the family, households with absent fathers, high divorce rates in general, and the encouragement of a sexual free-for-all, embroidered by the dominant clichés of life-style choice. Liberal and leftist intellectuals have continued their relentless assault on British national identity in the name of multi-culturalism and “anti-imperialism”; calls for drug liberalization became increasingly frequent; education has become more and more “child-centered,” leaving issues of sexual morality and drug-taking largely in the hands of teenagers themselves. Sadly, Britain has been fostering an educational system in which teachers are more intimidated than pupils, a society where the police force is partially paralyzed by young looters destroying property with utter impunity, where corrupt politicians fiddle their expenses, where millionaires repeatedly evade tax and uncontrolled immigration is steadily undermining the social fabric.
 
In the United Kingdom, long notorious for its uncouth soccer hooligans and yob culture, there had long been disturbing signs of the incipient breakdown of civilized behavior which were studiously ignored. The current collapse of the British welfare-state model into mindless thuggery is a warning to all countries of the fragile nature of supposedly stable Western democracies. The thin façade of civilization protecting us from barbarism and mob rule has been exposed to full view. No society in which a significant sector of its youth are without fathers, without guidance, educational qualifications, modern skills or positive ambitions, can expect to survive, let alone prosper. The writing is on the wall for all to read.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4817

[ivanm]

These maladjusted brats remind me of a small child who has learned to get his way by throwing a fit. And people hand it to him to shut him up,
until the next time he wants something and throws another fit.

My father had a remedy for that. He would knock us out clear out of our chairs at the dinner table.  Our ears would ring, our noses woud run or bleed, and we learned that the best thing to do is to just keep low until he settled down.  But I grew up loving and respecting that man because he had balls enough to show us that as long as we live we will always be held accoutable for our behavior.

My oder brother and I were onery little turds, and we'd pick at the younger brother while riding in the back seat of the car. Once my dad got enough of that, slammed on the breaks, and when we went forward, he decked our asses with one broadside of his arm.  We did not pull that shit anymore.

[johnhp]

These maladjusted brats remind me of a small child who has learned to get his way by throwing a fit. And people hand it to him to shut him up,
until the next time he wants something and throws another fit.

My father had a remedy for that. He would knock us out clear out of our chairs at the dinner table.  Our ears would ring, our noses woud run or bleed, and we learned that the best thing to do is to just keep low until he settled down.  But I grew up loving and respecting that man because he had balls enough to show us that as long as we live we will always be held accoutable for our behavior.

My oder brother and I were onery little turds, and we'd pick at the younger brother while riding in the back seat of the car. Once my dad got enough of that, slammed on the breaks, and when we went forward, he decked our asses with one broadside of his arm.  We did not pull that shit anymore.

The child abuse explains a lit.

[ivanm]

The child abuse explains a lit.

t
John, you need to feed some thousand pound stock cows and need to pick up the newborn of a mamma cow. When you screw up and get mashed up against a wall then that discipline you call child abuse will seem like child's play. Hey expert, even the school principle paddled kids, and a music teacher slapped the snot out of me because I was raising hell in class.
 
 I don't  think that any of my classmates got into serious trouble, and I haven't either, because we learned right from wrong the hard way.
Compare that to the coddled brats in your generation that are choking the jails and pens.  The point is this.  I grew up knowing I had limits to my behavior, something that is obviously missing in xyou.

Army boot camp would straighten your ass out big time and at warp speed. Either that or you would get awfully hungry and would be black and blue.
Maybe you would fare better in the WACS?

[ivanm]

The child abuse explains a lit.

We had an option, either straighten our asses out or hurt.  That is so simple that even you could master that one.

[johnhp]

t
John, you need to feed some thousand pound stock cows and need to pick up the newborn of a mamma cow. When you screw up and get mashed up against a wall then that discipline you call child abuse will seem like child's play. Hey expert, even the school principle paddled kids, and a music teacher slapped the snot out of me because I was raising hell in class.
 
 I don't  think that any of my classmates got into serious trouble, and I haven't either, because we learned right from wrong the hard way.
Compare that to the coddled brats in your generation that are choking the jails and pens.  The point is this.  I grew up knowing I had limits to my behavior, something that is obviously missing in xyou.

Army boot camp would straighten your ass out big time and at warp speed. Either that or you would get awfully hungry and would be black and blue.
Maybe you would fare better in the WACS?

i am sorry you mistake being beaten for love.

[johnhp]

We had an option, either straighten our asses out or hurt.  That is so simple that even you could master that one.

Oh, i understand it all right.  Like i said, your father's abuse explains a lot about you.  i just want you to know, it was not right.

[Mornac]

John Cleese: London is no longer English city

By CHRIS POLLARD
03 Sep 2011


FAWLTY Towers legend John Cleese has come under fire after declaring: "London is no longer an English city."
 
The comic, 71, said that the mix of cultures had helped the capital win the 2012 Olympics.
 
But he added that it can be hard to find an English person and that the "parent culture has dissipated".
 
Cleese, who is performing in Sydney, was asked on Australian TV what he thought of last month's riots around the UK.
 
He replied: "I'm not sure what's going on in Britain. Let me say this, I don't know what's going on in London because London is no longer an English city.
 
"That's how they got the Olympics. They said, 'We're the most cosmopolitan city on Earth', but it doesn't feel English.
 
"I had a Californian friend come over two months ago, walk down the King's Road and say to me, 'Well, where are all the English people?'
 
"I love having different cultures around but when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you're left thinking, 'What's going on?' "
 
The Monty Python star's remarks prompted criticism from Mayor Boris Johnson, who said London's diversity should be "celebrated".
 
Labour's Ken Livingstone added: "To stay competitive London must be a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here."
 
More than a quarter of London's population is from an ethnic minority, and there are 300 languages spoken.
 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3791303/John-Cleese-London-is-no-longer-English-city.html