Do black people have an affinity for the Islamic faith?

[ivanm]

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It seems that some Negroes prefer the Islamic faith, and when I see someone other than Joan defending it, it is a black person.

Is there something that it gives them that they cannot get from other religions? After looking at the deplorable lack of creature comforts and personal liberty of those who are subjects of Islam in many ME nations, I just fail to see the attraction that Islam has to anyone.

The tenets of Islam are authoritative and could not be imposed on people living in a democratic style of country because they would not put up with it. And the irony of the revolts in Egypt and in Libya, from supposedly cruel and uncaring despots such as Mubarak and Gadhafi is that the people revolting are leaning towards a new governance based very much on the archaic and barbaric tenets of Islam.  Do they really know when they are well off?

Worse yet, does the US realize what it is perpetuating when it tries to help those who are rebelling against an existing order which is much more
secular in nature than nutcase Islam ever will be?  I don't think we are doing the fools a favor. Now I realize that despots are not democratic and can be very viscious, but Iraq under SH was relatively stable, Egypt under Mubarak was very stable, and even Libya under Gadhafi was stable compared to the tinder boxes we are now seeing.   Maybe the US should heed this advice?  If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

In other words, if a country's only fault, to our way of thinking, is a legalistic religion and an autocratic government, as long as that country is not fomenting international terrorism or is not posing an imminent and substantial threat to world peace then maybe we need to keep our noses out of their affairs.

[JC3.0]

This is just ridiculous. I think a greater argument could be made for older white people simply not understanding black people-or even wanting to- and simply assuming things. Jeremiah White, Jesse Jackson, Dr. Martin Luther King, Al Sharpton-none of them practice the islamic faith. There are so many black people around the world practicing other faiths besides islam. Where did you come up with this silly question, or even the thought of it? I think older white folks have an "affinity" of their own. One is called racism, the other is painting folks with broad brush strokes based upon their own ignorance.

 Now where the hell did you come up w/ that question and on what basis? Really?

 And for you to even mention "Tenet's of Islam" as if you, a whitebread old blue hair would even know-is laughable.

[johnhp]

This is ridiculous, Ivan.

[Mornac]

I didn’t think a person’s ethnic background has anything to do with the faith he chooses to embrace. A case could be made that socio-economic status sometimes has something to do with it.

[Boffo]

ya miss him (IM2) doncha, Ivan

chill, he'll be back after ramadan!  hungry, spiritually revitalized,satan stoned and stupid as ever

 

[gellen]

It seems that some Negroes prefer the Islamic faith, and when I see someone other than Joan defending it, it is a black person.

Is there something that it gives them that they cannot get from other religions? After looking at the deplorable lack of creature comforts and personal liberty of those who are subjects of Islam in many ME nations, I just fail to see the attraction that Islam has to anyone.

The tenets of Islam are authoritative and could not be imposed on people living in a democratic style of country because they would not put up with it. And the irony of the revolts in Egypt and in Libya, from supposedly cruel and uncaring despots such as Mubarak and Gadhafi is that the people revolting are leaning towards a new governance based very much on the archaic and barbaric tenets of Islam.  Do they really know when they are well off?

Worse yet, does the US realize what it is perpetuating when it tries to help those who are rebelling against an existing order which is much more
secular in nature than nutcase Islam ever will be?  I don't think we are doing the fools a favor. Now I realize that despots are not democratic and can be very viscious, but Iraq under SH was relatively stable, Egypt under Mubarak was very stable, and even Libya under Gadhafi was stable compared to the tinder boxes we are now seeing.   Maybe the US should heed this advice?  If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

In other words, if a country's only fault, to our way of thinking, is a legalistic religion and an autocratic government, as long as that country is not fomenting international terrorism or is not posing an imminent and substantial threat to world peace then maybe we need to keep our noses out of their affairs.

One of many perspectives


http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2877

[Observer]

He asked a series of questions. He made no assertions. The last I heard, asking questions is a good way to learn new things.

JC, go back to the basement. All you do when you show up here is insult people and jump on your stupid little "everybody who opposes Obama or any other Black person for any reason is a racist bandwagon". You are a waste of bandwidth and every time someone reads one of your posts, he loses a couple seconds of his life he will never be able to regain and put to good use.

Ivan, Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet. It isn't just Blacks who are drawn to it, although the way it is projected in this country, i can see how it might seem so. I suspect that part of the appeal is the very structure and authoritarianism you think would make it unpopular here. There are a lot of people out there who WANT someone to guide their day to day lives. That is a common draw to ALL religions, not just Islam. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims... all want someone to lay down a set of rules for them and tell them how to live. I think those who convert to Islam (as opposed to those who are born into the faith and have never known anything different) feel a desire for a stronger level of control than most others.

Religion also provides people with a sense of kinship. It makes people feel they are not alone. With more and more people being crowded into cities like rats in a sewer, many people feel the need to know there are others who have more in common with them than riding the same bus every day. It enables them to feel as though they are part of a whole, carrying out a grand plan in which if they follow the rules and live life according to the tenets of the whatever god they serve, they will eventually be rewarded for all of eternity.

[dagon]

He asked a series of questions. He made no assertions. The last I heard, asking questions is a good way to learn new things.

JC, go back to the basement. All you do when you show up here is insult people and jump on your stupid little "everybody who opposes Obama or any other Black person for any reason is a racist bandwagon". You are a waste of bandwidth and every time someone reads one of your posts, he loses a couple seconds of his life he will never be able to regain and put to good use.

Ivan, Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet. It isn't just Blacks who are drawn to it, although the way it is projected in this country, i can see how it might seem so. I suspect that part of the appeal is the very structure and authoritarianism you think would make it unpopular here. There are a lot of people out there who WANT someone to guide their day to day lives. That is a common draw to ALL religions, not just Islam. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims... all want someone to lay down a set of rules for them and tell them how to live. I think those who convert to Islam (as opposed to those who are born into the faith and have never known anything different) feel a desire for a stronger level of control than most others.

Religion also provides people with a sense of kinship. It makes people feel they are not alone. With more and more people being crowded into cities like rats in a sewer, many people feel the need to know there are others who have more in common with them than riding the same bus every day. It enables them to feel as though they are part of a whole, carrying out a grand plan in which if they follow the rules and live life according to the tenets of the whatever god they serve, they will eventually be rewarded for all of eternity.

ivan, blacks in this country who identify as religious are about 90% plus christian

peace

[IM2]

Observer,

Here you go again defending an obvious racist assumption. If I had asked the same question about whites you would be jumping my ass about how much of a racist I am. Making excuses for obvious racism is what racists do. Another example of why I say you are a racist piece of shit.

JC  has not responded this way to everything negatively said about blacks or Obama. He has just called a rracist a racist, and since you  are one too, you have to defend your broham.

After making such statements for 200 plus years and codifying law designed to negate equal opportunity for others based upon such erroneous beliefs as Ivan has presented, white people don't get to make these kinds of assumptions and not be questioned harshly or chastised for making them.

Your I'm not responsible shit just is not going to flush. So deal with it.

Ivan,

I'm baptist. My entire family since they were brought here have been christian.

I think what black people are saying to white christians is that christianity has a history of the same kind of violence and terror that you guys give to Muslims. Christianity can be seen as authoritative also, but you won't see ithat way because of your blind devotion to Americana.

Is there something that it gives them that they cannot get from other religions? After looking at the deplorable lack of creature comforts and personal liberty of those who are subjects of Islam in many ME nations, I just fail to see the attraction that Islam has to anyone.

I don't think you have lived in any ME  Muslim countries Ivan. Dubai is not missing many creature comforts. Neither is the UAE, Quatar or Kuwait.

Worse yet, does the US realize what it is perpetuating when it tries to help those who are rebelling against an existing order which is much more secular in nature than nutcase Islam ever will be?  I don't think we are doing the fools a favor. Now I realize that despots are not democratic and can be very viscious, but Iraq under SH was relatively stable, Egypt under Mubarak was very stable, and even Libya under Gadhafi was stable compared to the tinder boxes we are now seeing.   Maybe the US should heed this advice?  If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

Apparently these places were not as stable as you claim. Since we helped the dictators in most of these places get there because we were scared of  communism, maybe we need to just stay out of whats going on there now.

Because regardless of how stable a dictatorship might seem to you, you don't want to live in one yourself, so then don't support it for others.

In other words, if a country's only fault, to our way of thinking, is a legalistic religion and an autocratic government, as long as that country is not fomenting international terrorism or is not posing an imminent and substantial threat to world peace then maybe we need to keep our noses out of their affairs.

Our policies in this region is the threat to world peace ivan. But you cannot see this, because you are blind. You have no faith in God, but you have full faith in Americana

Buffy,
Damn near everything you have said is either untrue, or shown to have been wrong. So then when you call someone stupid, the first person you need to start with is yourself.

[Observer]

Observer,

Here you go again defending an obvious racist assumption.

If you could read above a third grade level, you would know there was no "assumption". Ivan asked a question. Do you need me to explain the difference for you?

The rest of your post is just your typical bullshit, so I won't even respond to it.

[dagon]

If you could read above a third grade level, you would know there was no "assumption". Ivan asked a question. Do you need me to explain the difference for you?

The rest of your post is just your typical bullshit, so I won't even respond to it.

obs,  i'm still waiting for you to explain who comprises the 47% of americans who pay no taxes.  i'm not being snarky,  i'm seriously curious.

peace

[makesenseplease]

obs,  i'm still waiting for you to explain who comprises the 47% of americans who pay no taxes.  i'm not being snarky,  i'm seriously curious.

peace

It ain't the super rich.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm

[Observer]

Do some homework.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Nearly-half-of-US-households-apf-1105567323.html?x=0&.v=1

This one says 41%.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1410.html

CNN agrees with the 47% figure.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/pf/taxes/who_pays_taxes/index.htm

I can give you about a hundred more sources if you need them. By the way, the next time the issue of "fair share" comes up, you might want to think about this... The top 1% of wage earners pay 37 percent of all income taxes collected by the IRS. The top 10% pay 68%. The bottom 50% of wage earners only pay 3% of Federal income taxes paid to the IRS.

It is pretty obvious to me who is carrying the burden.

[ivanm]

I didn’t think a person’s ethnic background has anything to do with the faith he chooses to embrace. A case could be made that socio-economic status sometimes has something to do with it.

I did not mean that it did.  I was asking the question based on comments by black people on this forum.

[ivanm]

"I don't think you have lived in any ME  Muslim countries Ivan. Dubai is not missing many creature comforts. Neither is the UAE, Quatar or Kuwait."

Those are both very wealthy countries due to their crude oil production.  That doesn't mean that the peons are treated with dignity and respect.
In fact, I think the rulers of Dubai are hiring a group of mercenaries formed by the recent Blackwater person to protect their interests from the commoners.

How about Somalia, Afghanistan, and Iran? All very nice democratic and warm fuzzy places to live in your estimation?

As usual, you pop the clutch and start rjunning your mouth before you engage your mind, what little there is.  If you would keep your damned mouth shut once in a while and listen then maybe you wouldn't act so fucking dumb when you do mouth off.