Thanks Mitch & John

[johnhp]

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“I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting.  Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming. And it focuses the Congress on something that must be done.”

 I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

And, of course, to celebrate the right wing victory what happens?  The Dow drops over 500 points in one day and over 10% since Mitch thought taking the economy hostage was a good idea and Johnny Boi got 98% of what he wanted.

[foodserver]

to celebrate the right wing victory what happens?  The Dow drops over 500 points in one day

YES!  That's what I'm talkin' about!

The only thing that sucked was that oil went down to $90 per barrell but with Obama's energy policies, that shit'll be up in no time!

If we can get unemployment up into them nice round double figures and keep gas in the $4 range--we can probably put sixty Republicans in the Senate along with a new Prez!

I think this story warrants a new avatar.  Not nearly as handsome as the old one but apropos.

Cheers!

[johnhp]

to celebrate the right wing victory what happens?  The Dow drops over 500 points in one day

YES!  That's what I'm talkin' about!

The only thing that sucked was that oil went down to $90 per barrell but with Obama's energy policies, that shit'll be up in no time!

If we can get unemployment up into them nice round double figures and keep gas in the $4 range--we can probably put sixty Republicans in the Senate along with a new Prez!

I think this story warrants a new avatar.  Not nearly as handsome as the old one but apropos.

Cheers!

You do understand that people are laying this at the feet of right wing policies, don't you?

[foodserver]

You do understand that people are laying this at the feet of right wing policies, don't you?

I understand YOU are.  I don't calculate it that way at all and I'm extremely confident about that.  Obama's best chance to survive this train wreck would be to try to be the "strong silent type" and let others defend him.

He won't do that.  He'll spend his whole campaign blaming Bush and even if you could make the case for it--he's going to come off like a whiny bitch loser with a giant L on his forehead.

You can argue logically against this all you like John but that's not the issue.  The issue is who are the voters going to believe and they are NOT going to be impressed with Obama's finger pointing routine.

But that's OK.  You go ahead and tell yourself otherwise...

[johnhp]

I understand YOU are.  I don't calculate it that way at all and I'm extremely confident about that.

Confident about your own ignorance?  What's new about that?

He won't do that.  He'll spend his whole campaign blaming Bush and even if you could make the case for it--he's going to come off like a whiny bitch loser with a giant L on his forehead.

To be fair, a plurality of Americans blame Bush for the economy more than anyone else.  By a HUGE margin.  However, a large number of people think that the current negotiations did not have enough compromise and more of them than not said the problem was Republicans refusing to compromise.

You can argue logically against this all you like John but that's not the issue.  The issue is who are the voters going to believe and they are NOT going to be impressed with Obama's finger pointing routine.

But that's OK.  You go ahead and tell yourself otherwise...

i am arguing logically (and thanks for the back-handed admission that Mitch & John are responsible for the 10% decline in the DOW) but i am also reflecting the opinion of a great deal of Americans.  Many more than you are.

[ivanm]

to celebrate the right wing victory what happens?  The Dow drops over 500 points in one day

YES!  That's what I'm talkin' about!

The only thing that sucked was that oil went down to $90 per barrell but with Obama's energy policies, that shit'll be up in no time!

If we can get unemployment up into them nice round double figures and keep gas in the $4 range--we can probably put sixty Republicans in the Senate along with a new Prez!

I think this story warrants a new avatar.  Not nearly as handsome as the old one but apropos.

Cheers!

I luv it, sheep going to eternity behind a fucking liberal donkey. Now, if the sheep were useful idiots or were pink then you'd really have it wired.

[ivanm]

I understand YOU are.  I don't calculate it that way at all and I'm extremely confident about that.  Obama's best chance to survive this train wreck would be to try to be the "strong silent type" and let others defend him.

He won't do that.  He'll spend his whole campaign blaming Bush and even if you could make the case for it--he's going to come off like a whiny bitch loser with a giant L on his forehead.

You can argue logically against this all you like John but that's not the issue.  The issue is who are the voters going to believe and they are NOT going to be impressed with Obama's finger pointing routine.

But that's OK.  You go ahead and tell yourself otherwise...

After four years of fucking around and four years of broken promises I am sure the mob will lap it up.  Hell 20 years from now some pinko will be blaming Bush.
If Wonder Boy is such an educated expert then why isn't he fixing anything?  Some people just don't get it, government is the problem and not the solution to our economic ills.  You can give the losers the whole tax kitty and they will spend it on beer and burgers.  And won't do a thing but sit on their whiney asses and bitch because the gravy train has derailed.

[johnhp]

After four years of fucking around and four years of broken promises I am sure the mob will lap it up.  Hell 20 years from now some pinko will be blaming Bush.
If Wonder Boy is such an educated expert then why isn't he fixing anything?  Some people just don't get it, government is the problem and not the solution to our economic ills.  You can give the losers the whole tax kitty and they will spend it on beer and burgers.  And won't do a thing but sit on their whiney asses and bitch because the gravy train has derailed.

You know who really doesn't get it?  The investment class.  When the right made sure that the debt deal had ONLY massive spending cuts what happened to the markets?  The DOW lost 10% of its value in a week.  Why?  Because they know something you do not: cuts in government spending means a loss in jobs, further economic instability, etc.

[notoc]

If we can get unemployment up into them nice round double figures and keep gas in the $4 range--we can probably put sixty Republicans in the Senate along with a new Prez!

.. and what then, declare victory? The political version of the currency game 'Race to the Bottom.'

[foodserver]

.. and what then, declare victory? The political version of the currency game 'Race to the Bottom.'

What I think will happen, Notoc, is a vindication of conservative economic theory.  What has happened now is that "Atlas is Shrugging."  The movers and shakers in our economy have decided they don't want to play.  When "the witch is dead" (Obama is out) the recovery will be almost instantaneous and measurable, especially if the polls show in the last few months before the election that Obama is going to lose.  You may have heard of the (mostly hyped) story of Babe Ruth--pointing to the left field bleachers with his bat--then blasting a home run ball to that spot.  The point of the story being that the HR was NOT a coincidence.  By pointing the bat--the Babe had effectively "called the shot."

Well, I'm pointing the bat.  It might take as long as the end of the second quarter in '13 even if the polls are showing certain defeat for the President but the beginning of the recovery will be almost instantaneous in economic terms.

When that happens--it won't be a coincidence.

I can hardly wait.

PS. Also we have some aging Supreme Court justices due for retirement.  That's why 60 + Senators would be nice.  This would stop cloture and give the new president the ability to pick one who actually deserves their law degree.

[foodserver]

John says,

To be fair, a plurality of Americans blame Bush for the economy more than anyone else.  By a HUGE margin.  However, a large number of people think that the current negotiations did not have enough compromise and more of them than not said the problem was Republicans refusing to compromise.


  By large numbers of people, I imagine you mean the rest of the faculty lounge crowd unfortunate enough to be forced to associate with you in real life.  You just keep whistling past that graveyard John...

Here's a fun link for you to ponder--Rasmussen's presidential approval tracking polls  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

His last positive showing was in the summer of '09.  Since then things haven't been looking so good for him.  I think this tracking poll will tell the story.  It's most recent results appear to bear you out although I'm not sure how important 3 points is.  The important thing overall is the trend.  We'll see...

[ivanm]

I understand YOU are.  I don't calculate it that way at all and I'm extremely confident about that.  Obama's best chance to survive this train wreck would be to try to be the "strong silent type" and let others defend him.

He won't do that.  He'll spend his whole campaign blaming Bush and even if you could make the case for it--he's going to come off like a whiny bitch loser with a giant L on his forehead.

You can argue logically against this all you like John but that's not the issue.  The issue is who are the voters going to believe and they are NOT going to be impressed with Obama's finger pointing routine.

But that's OK.  You go ahead and tell yourself otherwise...

As you say, it is what people perceive that counts.

[johnhp]

What I think will happen, Notoc, is a vindication of conservative economic theory.  What has happened now is that "Atlas is Shrugging."

Atlas is Shrugging because the right got exactly what it wanted.  Interesting perspective.

[johnhp]

  By large numbers of people, I imagine you mean the rest of the faculty lounge crowd unfortunate enough to be forced to associate with you in real life.  You just keep whistling past that graveyard John...

i understand you do not wish to discuss the actual numbers.  Good for you.  i suppose it will make the beating that the baggers take in 12 all the sweeter.

Here's a fun link for you to ponder--Rasmussen's presidential approval tracking polls  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

His last positive showing was in the summer of '09.  Since then things haven't been looking so good for him.  I think this tracking poll will tell the story.  It's most recent results appear to bear you out although I'm not sure how important 3 points is.  The important thing overall is the trend.  We'll see...

Has nothing to do with people's perception of the actual issues.  How is it you completely fail to understand?

[foodserver]

Has nothing to do with people's perception of the actual issues...


OH nothing, nothing at all...

i understand you do not wish to discuss the actual numbers. 

Considering your response to the above you don't appear to be interested in them.