Steve Wynn, Democrat, entrepreneur and visionary

[Observer]

You don't know of anyone at NOPC or headbutter who has any respect for me.

I don't believe there is anyone anywhere who has any respect for you.

As for your last paragrpah, the last time you thought I threatened you, you started whining about knowing pepsi, and how things would not be so good for me if I decided to visit you and create that 6 minutes of funk that you were going to get.

Pepsi?

Pepsi has nothing to do with it. Things wouldn't have been go for you because I would have dealt with you accordingly.

You have been talking shit for years about how you were going to beat my ass. I gave you a chance and you ran and hid. When you finally came out of hiding, you started lying about it and have been doing so ever since. I doubt there is anyone here who doesn't see through your bullshit.

You are a racist loser, IM. You're a nobody... a puny little shit talker who is nothing more than a bag of wind.

[foodserver]

IM2 says, (of MSP)

He doesn't want to talk to you about your problem because he doesn't feel  like banging his head aganst the brick wall of your stupidity.

   I have no idea whether or not MSP feels this way about me but if he does I understand there is a social network out there he's eligible to join...

[foodserver]

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

...and speaking of MSP, thanks for the link but I've already seen it and the people who need to see it won't look but in the spirit it was offered, let me post something written at Powerlineblog a while ago.  Observer will want to see this and IM2 won't...
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    First, I would like to address the myth that the president has a $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan. The only plan the White House has ever put on paper is his February budget, which doubles our national debt.

    The president has never put a single spending cut plan on paper and he has no proposal to slash the deficit. If he does, it’s a closely guarded secret. And if such a secret plan does exist it should be made public this very afternoon. I’d like to see it. I’m sure millions of Americans feel the same.

    We also have no debt plan from Senate Democrats. In fact, they haven’t even passed a budget in 813 days.

    As of now, there is only one debt limit plan on paper. Only one plan available for public scrutiny and review. That’s the plan we are debating today: cut, cap, and balance. It cuts spending immediately, it caps it so it doesn’t go up, and it requires the passage of a balanced budget amendment to ensure Washington ends the deficit spending once and for all. The American people do not trust Washington to pass some grand budget deal with tax hikes that never go away and spending cuts that never materialize. …

    Another myth I’d like to address is the idea that our current budget crisis is the result of two wars and a tax cut. Let’s consider that claim. The total cost of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, over the entire last decade, is $1.3 trillion. Again, that’s over the last decade. This year alone the deficit is expected to be $1.4 trillion dollars. War costs represent only 4 percent of total outlays over the last ten years. The total amount of money spent since the president took office is $8.5 trillion dollars. By the end of his first three years in office we will have added $5 trillion to our gross federal debt. We are borrowing almost half of what we’re spending every single day. In the last two years, non-defense discretionary spending has soared 24 percent. The stimulus package alone—enacted into law in a single day in 2009—cost more than the entire war in Iraq. Annual spending when President Bush took office was less than $2 trillion. Today, it’s almost $4 trillion. It will be almost $6 trillion by the end of the decade.

   There is only one honest answer to the question over why our debt is rising so fast: out-of-control domestic spending.

   Another myth that’s circulating which I’d like to address concerns the budget summary from the Gang of Six. The authors of the summary claim that their approach would reduce the deficit by $3.7 trillion. But my staff on the Budget Committee can only find $1.2 trillion in reduced spending, along with a tax increase of $1 trillion. Where does the other $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction come from? Chairman Conrad, one of the members of the Gang of Six, even says the outline has a $1.5 trillion tax cut. But this is compared against a baseline that assumes a $3.5 trillion tax increase. It’s just an accounting gimmick. The real cost of the tax changes could be an increase as large as $2 trillion.

    This is why we need more than a handout—we need legislative text.

    The last myth that I’d like to address is perhaps the most important of all. This is the myth that we only need about $2 trillion in spending cuts over the next ten years.

    Democrats have said—although no plan has ever been made public—that they could get behind a budget deal that reduces the deficit $4 trillion over the next ten years, half of it comprised of spending cuts. I’m skeptical that even this minimal level of spending cuts would occur. But even if it did, it’s not even close to what is needed to ultimately balance our budget. We are projected to spend $46 trillion over the next ten years. A $2 trillion cut is only about a four percent reduction in spending that is set to increase almost sixty percent.  powerlineblog.com   Senator Jeff Sessions on the Senate Floor

[Observer]

I had seen this.

It doesn't matter how many facts you throw at them. people like IM will always just resort to the same tired old lies they have been using for the last 10 years.

[IM2]

Observer,

No, how you do it is for YOU to post up the statements besides the ones made to badnews that you think are racist. Oh yeah, and you also post up the statements made to me that I responded to at NOPC in order to show the racism I was responding to.

Since you are the one claiming that I am such a racist, you should be able to do it. But you can't because you don't want to get embarassed again when you are shown again by me how wrong you really are.

Show examples or shut up, this is YOUR task. So make a thread and show everyone what you think is racism by IM.

Because this ones about Steve Wynn's bullshit whining about things Barack Obama has never said or done.

Pepsi has nothing to do with it. Things wouldn't have been go for you because I would have dealt with you accordingly.

No, we would have dealt with each other accordingly Observer. The pain would be shared between the two of us. Things would be as good for me as they would be for you.  No matter what you might think, that is the way it would be.  I don't underestimate you like you do me.

You have been talking shit for years about how you were going to beat my ass. I gave you a chance and you ran and hid. When you finally came out of hiding, you started lying about it and have been doing so ever since. I doubt there is anyone here who doesn't see through your bullshit.

I don't have any reason to lie to you Observer. I played you, and admitted it. So fucking what? I never ran, I still posted at NOPC and you just went on and on talking your crap. Now you won't go, and still talk shit like I am the coward based upon one situation, when you have been challenged on many diffeernt occasions to send me your address.

The world doesn't operate on your time son. It's funny how i have asked you to send me your address but you can't do it. Then when I said that i was thinking about travelling to NM to find you, you started whining about a threat. So then the challenge remains open. Since I am such a little chickenshit bitch, IM me the information so we can finish this.

After all you are the one everyone sees through. Dagon appears to be a pretty even tempered guy, but he was ready to put your punk ass on ignroe. You were once considered for a moderator, but then you acted like the ass you are, and people started asking that you be voted out. So then like your girl Palin, you quit. This is your legacy son, and its not a good one.

A few racist assholes not liking me isn't going to stop me from saying what I do. Your stupd ass whines about me getting some pass, when the reality is that those here know I am speaking the truth. That's why the pass comes.  Too bad you can't say the same thing.

You call yourself taking me on because its supposed to show people that you are not goingto fall for some imaginary white guilt that only you white conservatives bring up. I have never brought it up, and I have never expected anyone to feel any kind of guilt.  You give youerself away when you say such things Observer, and yet you cannot understand why call you a sellout white racist piece of shit.

You are not a very intelligent man Observer, and you have proven it time after time.

I don't believe there is anyone anywhere who has any respect for you.

You don't believe the federal government is the supreme legal authority either, and like the above quote that's not true.

You talk about facts boy?

Like the Duelfer Report, or the 9-11 commission report   facts that you considstently deny even until now? Facts likes constitutional articles that shoot down what YOU think the proper role of the federal government is?

Foodserver ain't put up no fucking facts. He has put up another conservative lie. And what are his facts based upon pray tell?

A speech by Republican Conservative Senator from Alabama Jeff Sessions at Powerline blog.com ?

As the NFL guys say at ESPN:

C'MON MAN!

[Observer]

Show examples or shut up, this is YOUR task. So make a thread and show everyone what you think is racism by IM.

You are the one talking shit about litigation. I am just trying to be helpful and tell you how to go about it. I figure that since you are just plain black hole stupid, you need all the help you can get.

No, we would have dealt with each other accordingly Observer. The pain would be shared between the two of us. Things would be as good for me as they would be for you.  No matter what you might think, that is the way it would be.  I don't underestimate you like you do me.

If it had taken me more than 60 seconds, I would have been embarrassed.

I don't have any reason to lie to you Observer.

Yet, you do it on a regular basis.

After all you are the one everyone sees through. Dagon appears to be a pretty even tempered guy, but he was ready to put your punk ass on ignroe.

Dagon has his okay moments, but he also has his IM moments. One big difference though, is that I would be willing to bet he can spell IGNORE. Now if would just learn when to use the Caps key...

You were once considered for a moderator, but then you acted like the ass you are, and people started asking that you be voted out.

All I have to do is look at who was voting to know it was all meaningless. I left because Velleity was out of control and his little attack dog was running around doing whatever he wanted and doing his utmost to bring the board down. Pepsi fucked up when he gave Velleity Admin powers. When he finally got the balls to shut him down, I came back. Believe me, when I tell you that neither you nor any of the other little whining bitches who were crying about me had a damned thing to do with my departure. It had just reached the point where the board was a pain in the ass and I did not want to be associated with the people running it.

I could have actually made this forum a great little place for discussion, but not as long as Velleity had his hand on the Admin button and was protecting his butt buddy, John.

Now that John is gone, if you would just crawl off somewhere, maybe the board would start to grow. Get Lucy out of that Mod slot and bring in someone who actually knows what he is doing and this place would have a little potential. Both MSP and Foodserver would most likely make good Moderators.

You however, really aren't good for anything but being a doormat.

[ivanm]

Being a good moderator on this site is impossible because Pepsi shows favorites to the trouble makers.  Liberals are like turds in that they stick together, and a conservative or even a moderate on this forum is fair game. It is part of the assumption that liberals are being picked on and are proverbial victims. I got news for those clowns, they bring it on themselves.  A clown, by the way, was a fellow consultant's polite way of referring to someone as a moron.  Most morons don't even get the drift they are so damned dense.

[IM2]

Observer,

You are the one talking shit about litigation. I am just trying to be helpful and tell you how to go about it. I figure that since you are just plain black hole stupid, you need all the help you can get.

If I ever was to need help from you, I have lost already.

If it had taken me more than 60 seconds, I would have been embarrassed.

Like I said, you underestimate me greatly. So you would end up being embarrassed. Consider yourself fortunate if you aren't made to submit a bit over 5 minutes into the match.

Yet, you do it on a regular basis.

Wrong once again. But that's par for the course for you.

Dagon has his okay moments, but he also has his IM moments. One big difference though, is that I would be willing to bet he can spell IGNORE. Now if would just learn when to use the Caps key...

There is mispelling words, or not using the caps, and then there is not being right about anything, any policy, any news, the economy and the legal basis on which our country was founded. I would rather be accused of not being able to spell ignore than be you who has been completely wrong on every single fucking issue you have opened your mouth about.

All I have to do is look at who was voting to know it was all meaningless. I left because Velleity was out of control and his little attack dog was running around doing whatever he wanted and doing his utmost to bring the board down. Pepsi fucked up when he gave Velleity Admin powers. When he finally got the balls to shut him down, I came back. Believe me, when I tell you that neither you nor any of the other little whining bitches who were crying about me had a damned thing to do with my departure. It had just reached the point where the board was a pain in the ass and I did not want to be associated with the people running it.

Observer, you were on your way out. Just to let you know as I remember, I was not for banning your punk ass because I did not want this place to get like NOPC. So then your claim about my whining has no merit, much like most of what you post. If Pepsi fucked up this board, it was when when he let YOU have moderator responsibiility. I was against that because I knew you were going to do exactly what you did. You don't have the character to moderate.  You allowed all conservatives to say whatever they wanted and tried shutting down everyone else.  That's what happened, and you can lie until your ass dries up about it for all I care, but you quit because you were getting ready to get thrown out.

You see son, unlike your trying to measure me and your claims of how you know what kind of man I am, I DO know what type of person you are. My job is to study and assess human behavior and if need be work to make modifications in behavior patterns leading to destructive behavior. I've seen and worked with all types in the 29 years of experience I have doing this.

You are the classic type who tries bullying. You have tried to bully everyone here. Some simply ignore you and  that's their way of fighting your stupidity.  You think you are far more important than you are. You are nothing but an overblown security guard who took an opportunity to use your security skills to make a job for yourself. You did not expect your company to be so successful, so now you brag about yourself like you have done something earth shattering. Now because you think you have done so much, you think that your mere words have more authority over things than the words of everyone else.

But they don't. And you don't matter in the overall scheme of the earthly experience. You are just another human being who has been given a certain amount of time in this life. You will die and decompose just like everyone else.  And all of your money and earthly accomplishments will mean nothing anymore.

So humble yourself fool, because you ARE judged for what's in your heart.  And you will be judged regardless of whether or not you believe it's going to happen. You're going down the wrong path son, and like what conservatives are about to learn if they let things go past the debt ceiling deadline, is that falling for an ideology and making that what you worship makes you blind to the weaknesses of that ideology. Being blind to those weaknesses can have you making bad decisions which end up creating disaster.

Errors in your philosophy include::

You cannot reduce government employees to the level in the late 1700's because there are more people living in in this country than were here 225 years ago. The customer volume has increased, therefore more employees are needed to handle the increase in volume.

If you privatize things, all you do is create more government employees because the private firms, due to their contracts, now work for the government.

2. GOVERNMENT IS A BUSINESS JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS. Except that other businesses can be closed by the owners. We really cannot afford to close the government.

3. PRIVATE BUSINESS ONLY IS RESPONSIBLE TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS OR DIRECT CUSTOMERS. THE GOVERNMENT BUSINESS IS RESPONSIBLE TO EVEYRONE COUNTRY WHETHER THEY PAY TAXES OR NOT.
Because you don't have to pay taxes to vote.

Until you understand these simple principles you are unable to discuss any of the issues of our times.

Quoting old long dead mens opinons about government who did not know the internet was going to come, or that there would be satellites in space with cameras watching us, or that planes would actually fly, and that men would stand on the moon, really doesn't have much merit.

I could have actually made this forum a great little place for discussion, but not as long as Velleity had his hand on the Admin button and was protecting his butt buddy, John.

No you couldn't. You would have turned this place into the cesspool that is NOPC.

Now that John is gone, if you would just crawl off somewhere, maybe the board would start to grow. Get Lucy out of that Mod slot and bring in someone who actually knows what he is doing and this place would have a little potential. Both MSP and Foodserver would most likely make good Moderators.

Yep, it's just like I said above. I'm not going anywhere son. You will go before me.

Because you don't get it. It is YOU and those like you who are the stumbling blocks to any growth here.

You however, really aren't good for anything but being a doormat.

Better to be the doormat than the dirt it covers up.

ivan,

Just be glad you haven't been kicked out for your racism, sexism, anti homoseual and anti semitic remarks.

[foodserver]

IM2 says,

Foodserver ain't put up no fucking facts. He has put up another conservative lie. And what are his facts based upon pray tell?

A speech by Republican Conservative Senator from Alabama Jeff Sessions at Powerline blog.com


I suppose I could find the Senator's source if his remarks, spoken and unchallenged on the senate floor aren't good enough for you but, what would be the point?  Would you accept them then?

I think not.

While I'm making this observation, I'll add that there have been quite a few times that you have asserted that you have made this or that point with no answer from me or "other conservatives".  This, to my knowledge has never been the case.  You have been answered several times but have simply ignored the answer or denied it, just as you have above.

What is the point, for example, of explaining 37 times that the reason the Bush tax cuts that resulted in some of the lowest unemployment figures in the history of the US, but don't do so under the Obama administration, is because of the uncertainty stemming from Obamacare and impending cap and trade regulation along with Obama's constant talking down of the economy and small business?

Isn't 36 times enough?  I think that it is--so when you make an assertion 40 or 50 times and we stop answering, it's not because there is no answer--only no answer that we've been able to get you to process.

[foodserver]

IM2 says,

You think you are far more important than you are. You are nothing but an overblown security guard who took an opportunity to use your security skills to make a job for yourself. You did not expect your company to be so successful, so now you brag about yourself like you have done something earth shattering.

Normally I don't like to get in between you guys woofing at each other but this statement above ALSO touches on current events--namely, the economic predicament we find ourselves in today. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of what Observer has done but the real reason I'm even commenting on this is that I believe you have exactly the mindset and attitude that Obama has towards Observer and other small businessmen and that this mindset and attitude, is what has driven the economy right into the ditch.

Obama Mocks Joe the Plumber, Crowd Laughs	Small | Large

[makesenseplease]

IM2 says,

You think you are far more important than you are. You are nothing but an overblown security guard who took an opportunity to use your security skills to make a job for yourself. You did not expect your company to be so successful, so now you brag about yourself like you have done something earth shattering.

Normally I don't like to get in between you guys woofing at each other but this statement above ALSO touches on current events--namely, the economic predicament we find ourselves in today. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of what Observer has done but the real reason I'm even commenting on this is that I believe you have exactly the mindset and attitude that Obama has towards Observer and other small businessmen and that this mindset and attitude, is what has driven the economy right into the ditch.

Obama Mocks Joe the Plumber, Crowd Laughs

Using one's skills to make a place for himself is how one achieves success.

Obama and IM2 would both be better people if they understood this concept.

[IM2]

foodserver,

Bush implemetnd unpaid for presscrioption drug poliicy and had two wars going on. So then if that is not reason for uncertainty in any markets then there is no such thing. So you can try 39-40-50 times, but each time you will be explaining to deaf ears, due to the fact that what you are explaining are not the facts.

I suppose I could find the Senator's source if his remarks, spoken and unchallenged on the senate floor aren't good enough for you but, what would be the point?  Would you accept them then?

What Sessions says is irrelevant  except to those who will look as hard as they can to try finding any anti Obama sentiment possibile to try validating lies. The fact is that we are here because of republican policy. When you can say that, then we will be able to move forward to having decent adult conversations.

Normally I don't like to get in between you guys woofing at each other but this statement above ALSO touches on current events--namely, the economic predicament we find ourselves in today. I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of what Observer has done but the real reason I'm even commenting on this is that I believe you have exactly the mindset and attitude that Obama has towards Observer and other small businessmen and that this mindset and attitude, is what has driven the economy right into the ditch.

Again we are here because of republican policy. Until you admit this, you will aaswys post stupidity. the facts show this to be the case. All you have to argue with is unemployment. You don't want to touch the doubling iof the debt by Bush, nor do you want to touch the reaosns why Obama spent the money he did. You just ignorantly repeat Limabughs whining about Obama coming in and spending us to hell, when in fact economists , respected economists said that was exaclty what needed to be done and that cutting at this point in time will create a mess of the economy.

You stay stuck on too much speding.  Well you supported the spending that created the problem, so what you need to do is stop commenting on the economic problem because conservatives have been totally wrong every time they have talked about it and that includes you.

I have built a business that started small and grew. I was not surprised that it did so. I did not go around bragging about how much I made, or how our business expanded into other countries nor did i act like I am so much better or that factless rhetoric coming out of my mouth trumps fact and  documented evidence.

Thats what you conservatives do, and Observer has been the worst.

Bush drove this economy into the ground fool. It took 5 terms for Roosevelt and Truman to get us out of a depression. You and your kind are hollering because Obama could not get us out of your republican induced recession in less than 2 weeks.

Because when your definition of a small business is 10 milion dollars in profits, then you don't really have the first clue about what it takes to help real small businesses.

Your side has been wrong about everything yet you keep touting the same proven wrong in practice theories as the answers to our troubles. Sorry, that bill of goods is not going to be sold to me. You can be the dumb ass sucker all you want, you have the freedom to do so as an American, but I am going to use my freedom to say no to it.

Enjoy your snake oil sucker.

MSP,

Using one's skills to make a place for himself is how one achieves success.

Obama and IM2 would both be better people if they understood this concept.

No that's not successs. What you do to help people improve their lives and how you leave the world a better place when you go is how one achieves success.

All you conservatives would be better off if you understood this concept.

Because by your measly standards I am very successful. But I am trying to work by the lords standard, not yours. And while not speaking for Obama, I do believe he is truly trying to do the same. Maybe you should try it MSP instead of sucking up to evil.