15 months of job growth

[IM2]

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This is the record of the Obama adminstration. Yes unemployment is high, and the president is the first to say that things are moving forward but not fast enough. For those who chose to have amnesia, understand that we were about to face a depression caused by what you have chosen to forget.

But the same shit that caused the problem is what conservatives are offering. We would be a bunch of dumb asses to allow republicans any more control.

[makesensepleas]

What "job growth" would that be, IM2.

Recently, Obama was babbling and making excuses that the promised jobs were not
"shovel ready".

Where are all these jobs and why aren't Americans working if things are as rosy as you say they are.

[ivanm]

This is the record of the Obama adminstration. Yes unemployment is high, and the president is the first to say that things are moving forward but not fast enough. For those who chose to have amnesia, understand that we were about to face a depression caused by what you have chosen to forget.

But the same shit that caused the problem is what conservatives are offering. We would be a bunch of dumb asses to allow republicans any more control.

You keep talking about the failures of the Republicans, so why don't you detail that out?  Maybe if folks had the facts then they could learn how to right the wrongs that have been done?

I doubt there is any cut and dried method or plan that will always turn things around.  With all the work that FDR put into the depression it has been said that the advent of WW II is what really pulled us out of that jam.

Some think that if you put more money into the hands of consumers than that will create more jobs.  Most consumer items, including many brands of cars, are foreign made, so more consumer spending is apt to create more jobs oversease and not here at home.  Additionally, major stores like Wal Mart can easily absorb more consumer demand because they run a self serve operation basically.  All they gotta do is put the foreign made merchandise on the shelves and let the customer help himself.  And with automated check out stations they don't even need to put on more checker clerks.

The people that make investmenst for major capital goods are those that make the really decent jobs with good wages and bennies, and those people are not about to invest more until the government gets its act together on policy matters such as healthcare and environmental issues. In the meantime the average Joe lives on food stamps and unemployment checks.  Those are not solutions to the problem but are merely short term bandaids.

You seem to think the government has a money tree it can shake when it needs a few hundred billion additonal bucks to spend on social programs.  I think the  financial sector is telling us that that old tree has died.

[IM2]

Ivan,

We have seen tax cuts tried and no jobs created. Please stop trying to tell me about how its those with the money for major investments that create jobs, because they aren't doing it.

MSP,

I think you need to see the comparison chart between what happened when Bush was here and what has actually happened since Obama became president.

[ivanm]

Ivan,

We have seen tax cuts tried and no jobs created. Please stop trying to tell me about how its those with the money for major investments that create jobs, because they aren't doing it.

MSP,

I think you need to see the comparison chart between what happened when Bush was here and what has actually happened since Obama became president.

Tax cuts are supposed to put more money in peoples' pockets so they will spend more, thereby making more jobs.  If you have a problem with that then why
has the social security withholding rate been reduced in OBAMA'S presidency and not in Bush's?  If it isn't working then you need to tell Wonder Boy that he is also fucked up in the head like Bush was.

What do you really want, a job or a hand out?  From what you have said you are doing ok, so stfu. 

As to comparisons, I would like to see the humongous rise in the national debt since the socialists have taken office.  The annual deficit now is about as much as we spent back in 2000. What are you gonna do when Obama has to leave office, holler some racism shit because he can serve only 2 terms or 10 years max?
Oh my, we need to make a new amendment so he can live on forever, handing out rubber dollars and fucking up the economy.

[foodserver]

MSP,

I think you need to see the comparison chart between what happened when Bush was here and what has actually happened since Obama became president.

By all means let's start one.  Here's my half.  During the Bush presidency, unemployment averaged 5%--over to you IM2 for the comparison to the Obama administration...

[Boffo]

here's my 2 cents!

in March of 2007, 7 years in, Bush had it down to 4.4

would it be out of line to ask what economic "hope and changes" Obama made?  tarp, stimulus, tax cuts.......you know.

[Pepsi]

here's my 2 cents!

in March of 2007, 7 years in, Bush had it down to 4.4

would it be out of line to ask what economic "hope and changes" Obama made?  tarp, stimulus, tax cuts.......you know.

How about 8 years in?   ah that's right 9-10% and the "great recession"; TARP was naturally under Bush unless you're re-writing history on us.. Stimulus necessary due to deep hole (see "great recession") Obama inherited (every economist agrees it was necessary and every country employed stimulus as a way to battle the "great recession".    and MOST people DID get tax cuts under Obama.   

So what was your point?

[foodserver]

Pepsis asks,

How about 8 years in?  

Sadly,   an eight year point comparison of Obama vs Bush will not be available...

[Pepsi]

lest we forget

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record ~Wall Street Journal

[foodserver]

lest we forget

Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record ~Wall Street Journal

Let me know if your link shows the quarter by quarter breakdown of unemployment during the entire Bush Administration.   Just cut paste and that record right here in the box and I'll promise to read the rest...

[Observer]

...every economist agrees it was necessary and every country employed stimulus as a way to battle the "great recession

That most certainly is not true.

[Boffo]

of Bush, Pepsi says:
How about 8 years in?   ah that's right 9-10% "

and IM2 says:
"I think you need to see the comparison chart between what happened when Bush was here and what has actually happened since Obama became president."

well, I guess we could take their shrill, hysterical selective memory for it........OR we could go the the SOURCE , the Bureau of Labor and find that when Bush left it was 7.3 and in the 2.5 plus years of Bubbleheads reign ............ugh

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

no need to thank me guys, correcting you is my civic duty.

[makesenseplease]

This is the same old "debate".

Funny thing is, liberals and conservatives seem to be using arguments that were used against them during the Bush years.

We still have an asshole in office.

[ivanm]

How about 8 years in?   ah that's right 9-10% and the "great recession"; TARP was naturally under Bush unless you're re-writing history on us.. Stimulus necessary due to deep hole (see "great recession") Obama inherited (every economist agrees it was necessary and every country employed stimulus as a way to battle the "great recession".    and MOST people DID get tax cuts under Obama.   

So what was your point?

So a tax cut under Bush is not ok, but a tax cut under Obama is great, is that how it works.  Don't tell me that only the rich got tax cuts under Bush because I am a peon and I got a check in the mail.

Let's suppose the economy is still in the tank come next election.  I suppose we will have to Blame Bush for Obama's fucking around for the last four years with little to show for. Pointing fingers and playing the blame game is hardly a way to improve the economy.  You cannot motivate people by using negative shit about the former admin. That is just a damned excuse for your own incompetence and for your wrong headed policy.

Obama's game plan has been to borrow trillions of dollars to prime the pump, but the well has gone dry.  In other words, he is not addressing the underlying problems because too much of the increased stimulus spending by the consumer goes to line the pockets of foreign manufacturers of the things they buy at Wallys, and not to making more jobs for Americans.   I think the salient point about Obama's borrow and spend policy is that our credit rating has come under fire.  Foreign lendors are starting to see us as another Greece, a country that was eaten up with too many borrowed handouts and no means to repay the loans.

We cannot even pay the interest due on our debt without borrowing the money to do so.  And yet Wonder Boy wants to increase the debt limit and borrow even more money.  That sounds like a jerk that has never had a real private sector for-profit job in his life.  Hell, in la la land all you gotta do when you need cash is to go to the back yard and shake the money tree. Obama hasn't got a tree so he wants to fuck the rich.