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[JC3.0]

Note to all readers:

1)You have to be a Catholic to give a shit

2)Even then, keeping in mind it's coming from Mornac, Do you really give a shit?

[ivanm]

Note to all readers:

1)You have to be a Catholic to give a shit

2)Even then, keeping in mind it's coming from Mornac, Do you really give a shit?

Why are you being to rude and crude to Mornac?

[johnhp]

Ivan

Because Mornac is just obnoxious.  Oh and if you want a reply to your IM you need to unblock me from replying to you.

[ivanm]

Ivan

Because Mornac is just obnoxious.  Oh and if you want a reply to your IM you need to unblock me from replying to you.

OK, I will try to do that.

Mornac is very persistent and may be shouting in the wind.  As dagon said, don't feed the trolls.  I don't take his stuff personally unless he is responding to something I have said, and then he has been a real gentleman about it.


I think he is just as entitled to post his traditional Catholic view as others are to poison peoples' minds with their Socialist mantra. A key tenet of communism is that people are to pay allegiance only to the state and should not have another faith.  Is that what is eating the socialists on this forum, the fact that someone believes in God? 

[JC3.0]

I find his religiously bombarding of this board annoying. He is the only one who does it. I think if someone came in here posting videos all the time about Islam and how we are all infidels, or any other religion wouldn't be too well received either. I am personally against ALL of this religious bullshit, but especially Mornacs because it is incesant. I find it interesting that, by his own admission his own wife and kid don't even subscribe to his sillyness. I think he needs to get his own family to believe in his bullshit and walk in step with him first rather than inundate this board with his Michael Voris crap. This, ivan, coming from someone who was raised in a catholic family until my parents died almost 40 years ago. At that time the Catholic church continued to ask my family-my 2 sisters and I - for more money. You want to talk about nanny tit and insensitive shakedowns, not to mention the sex abuse etc....look no further than the catholic church. You wonder why the vatican is so oppulant and has so much fricking money? they "hold their hand out" for money at every service.....Novus ordo or not probably, the only difference being in how they "dress up" the money basket as they send it down the aisle.....

[ivanm]

I would not want to be a Catholic because of the rigors associated with believing that way, but I am certainly not begrudging Mornac for his faith and his sincerity about his church's problems.  

I am not a believer anymore, but maybe this country would be better off if more people went to church and tried to obey the wishes of Christ.
He spoke of heaven, hell, and salvation, and there was an underlying motive for doing so.  It was part of the behavorial system, part of the inducement to live side by side with one's neighbors in a civilized manner. Heaven is the reward for behaving, Hell is the punishment for misbehaving, and the salvation process is a chance to redeem one's self and to start anew after screwing up. It is a mind game and it has worked for lots of people.  
 
Perhaps there are things about the Christian religion that are not reasonable, but I am not aware of anything I was asked to do as a believer that wasn't intended to be in my best interests and in the interests of others.

[ivanm]

I find his religiously bombarding of this board annoying. He is the only one who does it. I think if someone came in here posting videos all the time about Islam and how we are all infidels, or any other religion wouldn't be too well received either. I am personally against ALL of this religious bullshit, but especially Mornacs because it is incesant. I find it interesting that, by his own admission his own wife and kid don't even subscribe to his sillyness. I think he needs to get his own family to believe in his bullshit and walk in step with him first rather than inundate this board with his Michael Voris crap. This, ivan, coming from someone who was raised in a catholic family until my parents died almost 40 years ago. At that time the Catholic church continued to ask my family-my 2 sisters and I - for more money. You want to talk about nanny tit and insensitive shakedowns, not to mention the sex abuse etc....look no further than the catholic church. You wonder why the vatican is so oppulant and has so much fricking money? they "hold their hand out" for money at every service.....Novus ordo or not probably, the only difference being in how they "dress up" the money basket as they send it down the aisle.....

And you don't think people find your rudeness annoying.  People like you tend to drive good people away because they don't have to put up with you.

Hopefully you are not too dense to see why people don't like Islam. For one thing they are afraid of the consequences of having extremists in their midsts.  Any religion with a creed that advocates the killing of infidels doesn't  fit the scheme of things in America.  Freedom of religion does not give someone the right to harm others in the name of their religion. Mt. Carmel was such an incident, and the Jonestown Massacre was another incident that would not have been legal in America.  

You speak of Mornac being obnoxious.  How does that compare with being so obstinate that you look retarded by being that way? Look in the mirror fool.

[JC3.0]

In regards to your "teachings of Jesus" crap-let me remind you that your friend Observer himself said that there is no real proof of his existence(not the exact words, but please don't make me go find the exact quote it was only a couple days ago). So go reconcile that argument with him,and then get back to me. Something tells me that if you pursue that as vigorously with him as you do things with me-it might not go so well. It will most likely result in you just laying down like a lamb so you don't piss him off.

 I have no problem with Mornac believing what he wants. I do have a problem with him force-fucking his religion on these boards, because again, nobody else does it. It's one thing to have a simple conversation about religion. A whole different thing when it comes to mornac and his near daily religious propaganda,not to mention he takes healthy swipes at people and their own beliefs himself.

 Now, you want to continue to stick up for your friend, that's fine. But I'm not the only one who has a problem with him, his style and nonstop spamming of this board with his Vortex bullshit. I see no other catholics rejoicing with him here.

[dagon]

Perhaps there are things about the Christian religion that are not reasonable, but I am not aware of anything I was asked to do as a believer that wasn't intented to be in my best interests and in the interests of others.

i would say promoting willful ignorance,  in-curiousness and blind allegiance to unverifiable authority is not in your best interest, or anyone else's.

peace

[ivanm]

"This, ivan, coming from someone who was raised in a catholic family until my parents died almost 40 years ago. At that time the Catholic church continued to ask my family-my 2 sisters and I - for more money. You want to talk about nanny tit and insensitive shakedowns, not to mention the sex abuse etc....look no further than the catholic church. You wonder why the vatican is so oppulant and has so much fricking money? they "hold their hand out" for money at every service.....Novus ordo or not probably, the only difference being in how they "dress up" the money basket as they send it down the aisle....."
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Have you ever thought about what you write?

I am sorry you lost your parents at such a young age, and you must have been 9 or 10 at that time.  As to shakedowns, you had the option to say no, where in socialist nanny states you may not have the option to not ante up.  Now, if you want to be a loser and on the receiving end of handouts from WDC that is your problem but most of us prefer to make it on our own and to be left to keep what we earn.  I don't know of anyone who objects to helping out thru taxation but idiot socialists don't know when to back off.

The sex abuse is wrong, but do you think it is isolated to the Catholic clergy?  I think I have pointed out already that it is widespread and of epidemic proportions, especially in the public school system. Two wrongs don't make a right, but why aren't you railing about pervesion in general instead of homing in on the Catholics?
Mornac certainly does not approve of it and yet you diss him, so you seem more intent  on assassinating his character than supporting a given point of view on an issue. The forum is supposed to have rules against character assassination but sadly they are not enforced.  Give us a mod with the authorithy and the balls to do so and you would be gone pronto. And in saying that I am not knocking lucy because she is a decent and fair minded person.  She just doesn't have the authority to clean house around here.  Additionally, she is a busy lady and doesn't have time to keep juveniles in line.

The Catholic institution does seem to be very wealthy, and perhaps a lot of it comes from the offering plate.  I am betting they also have income from investments.  When you look at the many good things the Cathlocs do for people at large then you might wonder where all that money comes from.  We have Catholic charities here in the fall, and people cram the halls for chicken and noodle suppers and for ham loafs, so the support for the Catholics is very strong here.  Over in Salina they have a very successful Catholic school system, and this year it graduated a class for more than a 100 times.  I think it is really somethng for a community to be proud of.

[johnhp]

but I am certainly not begrudging Mornac for his faith and his sincerity about his church's problems.  

There is to be quite fair nothing sincere about Mornac's approach.  He refuses to look at the empirical data and allows his response to be driven by ideology and the ignorant belief that this began a little over 4 decades ago.

[Malone22]

I  consider these video clips  posted by Mornac spam also...

[ivanm]

In regards to your "teachings of Jesus" crap-let me remind you that your friend Observer himself said that there is no real proof of his existence(not the exact words, but please don't make me go find the exact quote it was only a couple days ago). So go reconcile that argument with him,and then get back to me. Something tells me that if you pursue that as vigorously with him as you do things with me-it might not go so well. It will most likely result in you just laying down like a lamb so you don't piss him off.

 I have no problem with Mornac believing what he wants. I do have a problem with him force-fucking his religion on these boards, because again, nobody else does it. It's one thing to have a simple conversation about religion. A whole different thing when it comes to mornac and his near daily religious propaganda,not to mention he takes healthy swipes at people and their own beliefs himself.

 Now, you want to continue to stick up for your friend, that's fine. But I'm not the only one who has a problem with him, his style and nonstop spamming of this board with his Vortex bullshit. I see no other catholics rejoicing with him here.

You don't have to believe in the divine part of Christ in order to see value in the ideas he advocated.  For example, he did not invent the Ten Commandments but he saw value in what they were saying.  Such things as turn the other cheek and do unto others as you would have them do unto you have merit, religion or not.
He had three or four wishes when it came to serving mankind, which is the service aspect of Christianity. They basically went as follows.  Feed the hungry, heal the sick, visit those in prison, and befriend the strangers.  No tell me JC, is the something wrong with those ideas?

I think that Observer would agree with the above concepts from a humanitarian  point of view, setting religion aside, and no I don't have to lay down like a lamb in order to get along with him. I have my opinions, he has his, and we don't always agree, but we remain friends.  Why, because we can see the value of mutual trust and respect.  Observer, in spite of what you may think of him, is basically a very caring person. If he wasn't he would not have put himself in harm's way for your scrawny ass. You need to grow up.

As to other Catholics joining with Mornac and his outlook, I am not aware of any Catholics who post here except him but I may be wrong.  He is a traditionalist, and there may not be many of like mind, but does that make his principles invalid? I think not.  I liken it to the steam engine, which served a wonderful purpose in its time.  However its time has passed.

[johnhp]

I  consider these video clips  posted by Mornac spam also...

How much of that is your frustration of his egress, for the most part, from your site?