Curtain falling on five hundred year old heresey

[Mornac]

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With the Novus ordo is still smarting from the Summorum Pontificum smackdown it received at the hands of Pope Benedict XVI; His Holiness has wasted no time in pursuing the heresy of Henry VIII with an ecumenical vigor unseen since the days of the Council of Trent. The Holy Father's newly established ordinariate for England and Wales  (The Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham) has been drawing disaffected heretics, both lay and clerical alike, in droves. Lent promises to see yet more waves of lost sheep return to the fold. On behalf of the Holy Catholic Church, I would like to thank Dr Rowan Williams, 104th heresiarch of the movement, for his promotion of Sharia law as a parallel legal system, his tacit approval of the blessing of “same sex unions” in the diocese of New Westminster, his endorsement of “women’s ordination”, and myriad other liberal infused idiocy that has led to the mass awakening of fallen away Christians in the United Kingdom and other regions of Lambethland throughout the world (Coming soon:  A new Ordinariate for Australia – just in time for Pentecost!). Move over in your pews Catholics, the place is about to get a bit more crowded:


Fears For Church 'Defections' At Lent

Sunday January 30, 2011
Tadhg Enright, Sky News reporter

Hundreds of disillusioned Anglicans are expected to defect to the Roman Catholic Church in time for Lent. It follows a campaign by Father Keith Newton to leave the Church of England in protest at its stance on the ordination of women and gay clergy. Fr Newton has encouraged Anglicans to join the Ordinariate - a special branch of Catholicism established by the Pope - to welcome protestant defectors. The Ordinariate is a special structure established by Pope Benedict to welcome the disillusioned Anglicans.

The efforts of the Archbishop of Canterbury have not been enough to stop hundreds of Anglo Catholics making the split that he had hoped to avoid. In mid-January it got off the ground with the conversion of three Anglican bishops who are now bringing others on board. The Church of England says that 1,000 of its 13,000 parishes are opposed to the ordination of women.

At St. Barnabas church in Tunbridge Wells, the parish priest says that a majority of his parishioners want to defect - and he's considering going too. Father Ed Tomlinson believes that traditionalists who oppose the ordination of women have been badly let down by Church leaders. Yet the priest has been told by the diocese of Rochester that if he and his followers leave they will no longer be allowed to hold services, even on a shared basis, at St Barnabas - a nineteenth-century red-brick church where First World War poet Siegfried Sassoon was baptised.

The firm stance has infuriated Fr Tomlinson, the vicar since 2006.

"The whole thing stinks to high heaven," he said. "The Archdeacon made it abundantly clear that he does not want to entertain the notion of shared worship space and that he would resist my remaining here in any capacity."

The Ordinariate talks of recruiting members in waves with the first beginning training at Lent and they hope many more will follow.

"A little acorn it may have been at the moment, it could grow into a mighty oak," one local church-goer said. "Was this the thing that started to undo the reformation?"

http://tinyurl.com/6fvaqf9

[notoc]

Move over in your pews Catholics, the place is about to get a bit more crowded:

Only if the tea and sandwiches are free.

Catholics set to pass Anglicans as leading UK church

Roman Catholicism is set to become the dominant religion in Britain for the first time since the Reformation because of massive migration from Catholic countries across the world.

Catholic parishes will swell by hundreds of thousands over the next few years after managing years of decline, according to a new report, as both legal and illegal migrants enter the country.

It says that the influx of migrants could be the Catholic community’s “greatest threat” or its “greatest opportunity”.

While in some places the Catholic Church has responded positively, in others it has been “overwhelmed” by the scale of the challenge. The growth of Catholicism in Britain comes as the established Church of England and the Anglican provinces in Scotland, Wales and Ireland face continuing, if slow, decline.

The report describes how many migrants have few or no documents, little or no English, no job to go to and nowhere to live.

The Catholic Church is the first port of call for thousands when they find themselves in difficulty, with up to 95 per cent from countries such as Poland being practising Catholics. Some churches find that they are being used as both job centres and social welfare offices. Most of the migrants settle in London, where some parishes are putting on Sunday Masses from 8am to 8pm to cope, the report, carried out by the Von Hugel Institute at Cambridge, found.

The report calls on the Catholic hierarchy to act urgently to help the migrants and their hard-pressed clergy by investing thousands of pounds in new resources.

Officially the Church is welcoming the migrants, but nearly all bishops and clergy have been taken by surprise by the influx, which took off last year and has yet to be reflected in official Mass attendance and membership figures.

But they acknowledge that the immigration is changing the face of Catholicism across Britain.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article1386939.ece

[johnhp]

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The masses these folks are now attending: are they in English or Latin?

[notoc]

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The masses these folks are now attending: are they in English or Latin?

Not sure that many people know the Latin for, "Free tea and sandwiches."

By the Church's own figures less than 1m people attend any kind of Catholic service in the UK ...  I'm not even sure if those numbers would qualify any activity as even having cult status. More so when you consider that by far the largest group within that 1m are pensioners over 65 ... with the next largest group being children too young to have a say in what they believe.

[johnhp]

Not sure that many people know the Latin for, "Free tea and sandwiches."

By the Church's own figures less than 1m people attend any kind of Catholic service in the UK ...  I'm not even sure if those numbers would qualify any activity as even having cult status. More so when you consider that by far the largest group within that 1m are pensioners over 65 ... with the next largest group being children too young to have a say in what they believe.

Oh, i am certain these are not the traditionalists Mornac loves.  i am amused that he is crowing about converts to what he believes is an illicit version of Catholicism.  It is amusing.

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Oh, i am certain these are not the traditionalists Mornac loves.  i am amused that he is crowing about converts to what he believes is an illicit version of Catholicism.  It is amusing.

What's more amusing, to me at least, is that the three Anglican bishops that Mornac is holding up as example (to what I'm not sure) are all married with children.

Desperate times call for desperate measures, I guess.

[johnhp]

He somehow thinks the church is marching bravely back into the 16th century.  For a guy who promotes Latin as a liturgical language he is pretty ignorant of the reference extraordinary in Liturgical law.  i am referring to the mass he enjoys being referred to by benedict as the extraordinary mass.  It means that it is the mass allowed in addition to the licit mass.  i laugh every time i realize how Mornac has grown to love his subjection.

[notoc]

He somehow thinks the church is marching bravely back into the 16th century.  For a guy who promotes Latin as a liturgical language he is pretty ignorant of the reference extraordinary in Liturgical law.  i am referring to the mass he enjoys being referred to by benedict as the extraordinary mass.  It means that it is the mass allowed in addition to the licit mass.  i laugh every time i realize how Mornac has grown to love his subjection.

Maybe Mornac can give us the Latin for "Free tea and sandwiches." and also perhaps "Good morning Father, how's the wife and kids?"

[johnhp]

Well, the Catholic Church has had married priests structurally for a while (converts mostly, but also the Eastern Rite).  But Mornac and his brand of Catholicism usually turn their noses up at the conversion of these guys.

[notoc]

Well, the Catholic Church has had married priests structurally for a while (converts mostly, but also the Eastern Rite).  But Mornac and his brand of Catholicism usually turn their noses up at the conversion of these guys.

It's ALL nonsense to me ... but you know that already.

[johnhp]

Mornac is all nonsense to me as well.

[Mornac]

Only if the tea and sandwiches are free.

--It can be arranged.

[Mornac]

What's more amusing, to me at least, is that the three Anglican bishops that Mornac is holding up as example (to what I'm not sure) are all married with children.

--Why should that amuse you?

Desperate times call for desperate measures, I guess.

--The only enes experiencing desperate times here are the Church of England. The Catholic Church is enjoying something quite the opposite.

[notoc]

--It can be arranged.

--Why should that amuse you?

--The only enes experiencing desperate times here are the Church of England. The Catholic Church is enjoying something quite the opposite.

Lots of things about your beliefs amuse me Mornac ... mostly because, like all god-botherers, you have no joined-up way to explain your reasoning - your views on one thing contradict another. You insist on proof that your god does not exist by way of attempting to prove that he does. You vote for the likes of Le Pen's Front National in France and quote an article which relies upon immigration into the UK to bolster the idea that the attendance of the Catholic Church is not going the same way as every other Church in the UK, downwards.

You have two nationalities, you are a citizen of the US influencing the election of French law-makers and at the same time a citizen of France influencing the election of US law-makers ... but first and foremost you define yourself by your religion - you think of yourself as Catholic first, French-American second, or third ... but really who knows where your true allegiances lie?

You are all over the place.

[Mornac]

Lots of things about your beliefs amuse me Mornac ... mostly because, like all god-botherers, you have no joined-up way to explain your reasoning - your views on one thing contradict another.

--Point to even one of my views that contradicts another.

You insist on proof that your god does not exist by way of attempting to prove that he does.

--Point to one instance of me insisting on proof that my God does not exist.

You vote for the likes of Le Pen's Front National in France and quote an article which relies upon immigration into the UK to bolster the idea that the attendance of the Catholic Church is not going the same way as every other Church in the UK, downwards.

--I didn’t quote an article. I posted one in its entirety in order to illustrate the topic I posted it under: The waning of a 500 year old heresy.

You have two nationalities, you are a citizen of the US influencing the election of French law-makers and at the same time a citizen of France influencing the election of US law-makers ... but first and foremost you define yourself by your religion - you think of yourself as Catholic first, French-American second, or third ...

--Entirely accurate.

but really who knows where your true allegiances lie?

--One need only ask. I’m not a liberal – I have nothing to fear by answering questions. (But you’re already aware of that).

You are all over the place.

--Your questions are all over the place. I’m just running around to answer them all out of a sense of conversational protocol. It’s what I do. If you want me to stick to one topic, you’ll have to adjust your style of interrogation appropriately. It would certainly be easier on me.