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« on: November 21, 2007, 04:12:07 PM »

Like Bush giving the plastic Thanksgiving turkey to the troops, all I can offer is this image.   Have a safe Thanksgiving, we still have a lot to be thankful for!

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2007, 05:42:10 PM »

On behalf of all the Limeys, here's wishing all you Yanks a happy Thanksgiving!
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 08:30:37 PM »

So was that plastic turkey a part of the animal-rights correctness...or was that a different show?    Cheesy   Grin

Everyone have a good one.  If nothing else, it is "count our blessings" time.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2007, 12:12:37 AM »

Those of us with a roof over our heads and food to eat, etc. have so much to be thankful for, true...

I have the morning to cook before we drive to Grandma's for a family reunion.

Take care.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2007, 12:13:50 PM »

....turkey?


So the bird seems to be related to INDIA for the following languages:
 
ARABIC (standard)
 
Just for the record, in standard Arabic (MSA) turkey is diiq hindi, or
Indian rooster. And Benjamin Franklin thought that the U.S. should have
claimed the turkey as our state bird instead of the eagle! Indigenous
and more intelligent than the eagle.
 
AZARI
 
In Azari, a language spoken by 13-15 million Iranians and many more
around the region, turkey is 'hindishga', that's something related to
'Hind'(India).
 
BASQUE
 
In Basque a turkey is "indioilar" or "indioilo" ("India rooster" india +
oilar 'rooster' and "India hen" india + oilo 'hen').
 
CATALAN
 
In Catalan it is "gall dindi". The translation may be, more or less,
"cock from India"
 
HEBREW
 
In Hebrew it is called a "tarnegol hodu" or "Indian rooster"
 
POLISH
 
In Polish it is indyk, or more specifically indor 'male turkey', indyczka
'female turkey' from the name 'India'.
 
RUSSIAN
 
In Russian the turkey is called _indjuk_ (male), _indjushka/indejka_
(female). As food, the turkey is referred to by the term _indjushka_. In
sum, it's the "bird of India," as in French.
 
 Russian has "ind'ejka" (sg.fem.n.) for "turkey," which is related to the
word for "Indian." It's interesting to note, however, that seems to
derive from "ind'ejec"/"ind'ejskij" which mean "Indian
(sg.masc.n.)"/"Indian (sg.masc.adj.)" as in Native American, as opposed
to "ind'ijec"/"ind'ijskij" "Indian (sg.masc.n)"/"Indian (sg.masc.adj)" as
pertaining to the people of India.
(Note: in the above transcriptions, c = ts, and ' indicates
palatalization or softness. All five Russian words have stress on the
second syllable.)
 
TURKISH
 
Turkey in Turkish is 'Hindi'. My etymology book says that it is named
after Hindistan, the Turkish name for India. Hindistan is usually
shortened to Hind. so it's Hindistan->Hind->Hindi. It also mentions that
we got the bird from India, after having exported to East Asia from
America. the source is:Turk Dilinin Etimoloji Sozlugu [The etymology of
the Turkish LAnguage], I.Z. Eyuboglu, Sosyal Yayinlari (publisher),
Istanbul, 1991, 2nd edition.
 
YIDISH
 
In Yiddish "turkey" is called "indik". The Yiddish word for Indian (the
adjective) is "indish". The suffix -ik in Yiddish words usually indicates
a slavic origin and thus the source of "indik" in Yiddish is presumably
slavic.
 
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In Danish, Dutch, Finnish and Norwegian, it is associated with a town
from the Malabar coast (southern India):
 
DANISH
 
The Danish word is kalkun (stressed on second syllable) which is similar
to Dutch kalkoen. The source seems to be an adjective kalkunsk, borrowed
from Dutch kalkoensk, which means 'from Kalikut (on the Malabar coast)'.
As the Danish etymologicl dictionary remarks, 'clearly a mix-up between
the West and the East Indies'. (This is, actually, much more precise than
just 'somebody else's bird', since the bird seems to have come from
Mexico via the West Indies.)
 
DUTCH
 
The Dutch word for turkey is "kalkoen", deriving from the town "Calicut"
(now Kozhikode) on the coast of India. Originally, the bird was called
"kalkoense haan", that is, rooster from Calicut.
FINNISH
 
Turkey, in Finnish, is kalkkuna. This is a IE loan-word, related to
modern Swedish kalkon, which derives from some earlier form of low
German (something like 'the hen of Calcutta'. I'm no expert on
etymology, and I found this explanation in a popular book on etymology,
but it seems to fit, doesn't it?
 
NORWEGIAN
 
But when I checked Norsk Riksmaalsordbok (a dictionary of Riksmaal, a
rather conservative literary form of written Norwegian), it turns out
that the word comes (via Low German and Dutch) from the name of the town
Calicut on the Malabar Coast on the western side of southern India.
 
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In the folowing languages, 'turkey' has different origins:
 
ARABIC (dialects)
 
In Palestinian Arabic, the bird's name is equivalent to "Ethiopian
rooster". It is pronounced as / diik Habash / where /diik/ is rooster and
is /d/ as in "duck", long/i/ and /k/as in "king" /H/ is pharengeal
fricative, /a/ is as a shwa, like the vowel in English /the/, and /sh/
is like the first consonant in English "show"
 
In Levantine Arabic turkeys are referred to as Abyssinian roosters (diik
Habash: diik is rooster and Habash is Abyssinia or Ethiopia.
 
GREEK
(It seems I was misleaded in that one...)
 
Greek (cf. Andriotis, Etimologiko leksiko tis koines neoellinikes,
Thessaloniki 1983) has: dianos < indianos, glossed as 'indike ornitha'
ie. Indian bird, kourkos < Romanian curca (a with breve) < Slavic kurka
gallos or galos, from Italian gallo 'cock' (but cf. gallo d'India
'turkey'); the similarity with gallos 'Frenchman' is probably accidental
gal(l)opoula 'female turkey' is just a diminutive of gal(l)os, although
it lends itself to reanalysis as gallo- 'French' + pouli 'bird'. Now both
pouli 'bird' and the diminutive suffix -poulos/poula go back to Latin
pullus, but they are usually kept apart in Modern Greek (also because of
different placement of stress), so one should not put to much weight on
this possible reanalysis (better ask some native speaker).
 
MACEDONIAN
 
In Macedonian [Slavic] it is misir m., misirka f., from Misir [the
letters i should have no dots on top] (the Turkish name of Egypt) from
Arabic Misr.
 
MALAISIA (She didn't say wich language)
 
En Malaisie, on dit "ayam belanda" [ayam = poulet; belanda =
hollandais].(In Malaisia, it is "ayam belanda" [ayam = chiken; belanda =
Dutch].
 
PORTUGESE
 
 In Portuguese, turkey is peru, which probably comes from the country
Peru (feminine -a can be added to it, and then you get peru-a which means
'slut'; I thought it was some sort of analogy with galinha 'hen' which
means the same thing).
 
TAMIL
 
from: Caroline Wiltshire (wiltshirlin.ufl.edu)
 
the word in Tamil (a Southern Dravidian language) is "vaankooRi" (the R
is a retroflex approximant, more or less), which comes from "vaan" = sky
and "kooRi" = chicken, domestic fowl. On the other hand, one of my
dictionaries lists an alternative which I've never heard
"siimaikkooRi", from "siimai" = foreign country, Europe or any of the
European countries. Perhaps a native speaker can tell you if this word
is ever used these days.
 
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For the other languages of wich I received answers, there are either no
etymology or country related to the name:
 
BULGARIAN
 
In Bulgarian, the turkey is a pujak (m.) / pujka (f.).
 
BURA
 
Bura, a Chadic language spoken in Nigeria. The word for turkey is
something like tlotlo (where  is supposed to be open-o). Apparently
that is similar to other languages in the area. My guess is that it is
onomatopaea (sp?) from the sound that turkeys make.
 
CHINESE
 
         v _
mandarin chinese: huo ji (fire chicken or angry chicken)
 
In Cantonese, turkey is foh(2) gai(1) - literally fire chicken,
presumably from the red colouring round the face.
 
FARSI
 
in Farsi language the word for 'turkey' is 'bugalamun' which has notiong
to do with any country!
 
JAPANESE
 
in Japanese it's _shichimenchoo_, 'seven-sided bird'. (literally meaning
something like "a bird with seven faces or surfaces)
 
UPPER SURBIAN
 
In Upper Sorbian, the turkey is a trutak (m.) / truta (f.).
 
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Now, turkey is native of the American continent (That is what I have been
told many times). Here are a few of the languages that are (or were)
spoken on this Continent:
 
AMERICAN LANGUAGES
 
In Maliseet-Passamaquoddy (north-est of New-England) he word for
"turkey" is nehm.
 
In Nahuatl (the language of the Aztecs and their neighbors and the heart
of original turkey-domestication), the word for the male turkey is
huehxo:lo:-tl, which appears to be a compound of hueh- 'great, big' and
xo:lo:-tl 'male servant', while the word for female turkey is to:tol-in,
which is the general word for domesticated bird. Since the turkey was
the Aztecs' domesticated bird, further specificity doesn't seem to have
been needed prior to the introduction of European chickens at the time of
the conquest. European chickens were called either cax < castilla or
piyo (apparently from the call that Europeans use when rounding up their
chickens: piyo, piyo, piyo, which is basically 'chick, chick, chick' cf.
Sp. pollo). Xuehxo:lo:-tl has given rise to the Mexican Spanish word
guajalote. In other Spanish-speaking areas the word pavo is used. It
originally was used for the peacock, until turkeys were imported from the
Americas.
In Yucatec Maya, the word for turkey is tso' and the European chicken is
usually cax.
 
In Choctaw, an interesting thing has happened. There are two native
words, fakit and cholokloha, both based on the sound of the bird's call.
The word `fakit' is pronounced just like `fuck it' so it has fallen
precipitously from use as the Choctaw community has become bilingual.
Fakit has been replaced by `akank chaaha' or `tall chicken'. I am not
sure if `akanka' referred to native birds before the advent of European
domestic chickens, but that word is used for this bird now. So we have a
native word replaced by a phrasal descriptive term based on a European
bird to avoid embarrassing ourselves to English speakers. Sigh.

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http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/7/7-174.html
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2007, 12:47:54 PM »

So they are not from "Turkey"?   Shocked   Grin
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2007, 01:30:08 PM »

I just got up from the dinner table (noon time here)  and have been gathering leaves this morning with the riding mower.  It started off pretty cold, 19 degrees F, but is probably in the upper 30s now.  I enjoyed some of the Macy parade before going out to do yard work.

Next stop, the couch to sleep off some of this good chow. 

Happy Turkey Day everyone.  Maybe my son, in Iraq still, will call today.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2007, 02:22:27 PM »

I'm not eating any turkey today, but we're having all the side dishes like cranberry sauce, mashed potatoes, creamed onions, mushroom, spinach pie (my wife bless her now makes my favorites from my grandmother), and lasagna from our Italian guest, I'm really looking forward to this.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2007, 06:22:39 PM »

Pumpkin pie!  Yeah!

I was trying to be careful and not over-eat.  Well....I tried anyway.   Embarrassed
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