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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2008, 08:22:02 AM »

I am not so sure this is a bad idea.  It is all in who you place your trust in.  The FRS may be very powerful, but they have managed to keep the banks open for decades now. 

This rapid speculation needs to stop, pronto. 
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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2008, 08:38:31 AM »

Transfer the Constitutional authority over our money to a private bankers' lovefest which takes our money and loans it back to us with interest payments due?Huh?

Ivan, have you ever heard of the Glass-Steagall Act and do you have any idea when and why it was repealed? Why this matters?

Okay, let me also ask. When the Fed says "bail-out" the banks for their losses, who actually gets the billions of dollars added to our debtload (in the trillions, now, I might add)?
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2008, 08:45:46 AM »

The Fed did not tell Wall Street to drop dead...

It told the American taxpayer to drop dead/
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2008, 11:05:03 AM »

Transfer the Constitutional authority over our money to a private bankers' lovefest which takes our money and loans it back to us with interest payments due?Huh?


You've just described the current system...

Abolish the Federal Reserve
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2008, 12:09:53 PM »

We should at least not be at the mercy of the Federal Reserve calling the printing press to print up more dollars to bail out their golf-buddies/
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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2008, 04:16:30 PM »

Transfer the Constitutional authority over our money to a private bankers' lovefest which takes our money and loans it back to us with interest payments due?Huh?

Ivan, have you ever heard of the Glass-Steagall Act and do you have any idea when and why it was repealed? Why this matters?

Okay, let me also ask. When the Fed says "bail-out" the banks for their losses, who actually gets the billions of dollars added to our debtload (in the trillions, now, I might add)?
This is what I gleaned about the Glass-Seagall Act. The Glass Steagall Act aimed to prevent commercial banks from selling securities in failing companies to cover debt owed the banks.


I don't know why it was repealed but Greenspan apparently had something to do with it.  As to the failure of Lehman, it was an investment bank, not a commercial bank that small depositors would normally deal with. 

I don't understand your reasoning behind "our money" unless you are speaking of the monetary system authorized by the Constitution.  The money handled by the FRS is only partly our money as it is a fractional reserve system.  I don't know the figure today but I am betting that 8/10 of the outstanding money has simply been created and has no real backing.  This trait of the system is good in that it permits easy and rapid expansion and contraction of the money supply, and yet it is bad in that the capability can be abused.

I don't know who gets the bail out money.  Maybe notoc can tell us.  There are risks involved in loaning money, which is borne out by the failures of major banks, so that should be a clue as to why the money lent bears a higher interest rate than the interest the depositors receive.

Breaking it down to local level, a bank has a lot of overhead, as does any business organization with a large number of employees receiving decent pay and benefits.  So a lot of the profit from lending is used to pay the the help, the utilities, the insurance, and the property taxes.

I am a small investor myself and I expect a nice return on my risk money.  So the activities I help to finance by buying bonds from the borrowers have to pay more than just my interest costs.   In saying this I am not trying to cover for some greedy robber barons but you do need to realize that money borrowed does not come for free. 

And one more point to remember. My daughter, who is behind on her credit card payments and is living beyond her means seems to have a hard time realizing what I have just said.  It comes from a failure to accept responsibility for their behavior and to make good on their debts.  This seems to be a common trait of the "me" generation. 

No one is forcing us to borrow the money at those rates for the reasons we do borrow. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2008, 01:45:52 PM »

Did anyone in their right mind really believe the feds would let their thieving cronies "drop dead"?                                                         I wonder what the feds will do after the thieves finish stealing the $700 billion bailout.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2008, 02:23:18 PM »

What was meant by Rep. Burgess when he said "martial law" had been declared during his speech (I saw it on C-Span).

From what I have read, basically it is a formal procedure declared by the Speaker of the House which rushes a bill or whatever to be passed without allowing review or the Congress people to read what is contained in the document.

Why such a rush? This has been happening for years, and even a month ago Paulson and others were saying everything was fine with the economy....

Meanwhile, despite our "dire" circumstances, we passed a one -trillion defense bill.

We are being led to slaughter, imo.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2008, 02:26:41 PM »

And by those in both parties....There are some good guys, perhaps, on both sides of the fence. I particularly liked the speech by this one Congresswoman from Ohio...She thought the proposal placed the burden on the taxpayer and did not hold the banksters, who made so much money from all of this, accountable. I tend to agree.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2008, 02:28:02 PM »

Also, if the Chinese hold so much of the debt, doesn't that give them a say-so in how these debts are to be addressed?
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2008, 02:31:17 PM »

The bill was defeated by the House. 228-205 voting...

Just in the news online.
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2008, 02:38:39 PM »

I think the US taxpayers along with Congress are telling the Fed and Wall Street that their days of $1200 pizzas and manipulation of our money are coming to a close. Now, we need to start making our own things again and stop spending money like it somehow magically appears like manna from heaven. That includes the consumer as well.

I see a reprint of THE FRUGAL GOURMET/
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2008, 02:42:32 PM »

I think it may be difficult to justify a trillion-dollar DOD/Pentagon budget in the Senate next week after this.
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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2008, 03:02:37 PM »

The bill was defeated by the House. 228-205 voting...

Just in the news online.

The DJIA futures market touched 10400 at one point... that was with rules which prohibit the naked shorting of stock.

I am still short on the entire market here in the UK... we are over 10% down today.
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A. While I was a Catholic, the answer is no.
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