Republicans already admit they cannot lead...

[johnhp]

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This is on the RNC headquarters.  Apparently, the republicans do not think Boehner can handle her job.


More importantly, when pressed this weekend Republicans have again refused to name any specific cute they will make to offset the decrease in revenues if they extend rather than allow the Bush tax cuts to sunset.  Shame on them.

Eric Cantor has already annouced the political suicide of the right: they are going to double down on tax cuts for the top rates.  And by double down, i mean going to the mattresses and forcing a close down of the government.  And that is clearly stupid.  Why?  If you look at the exit polls a majority of Americans think that either the tax cuts should not be extended or should be extended only for those making less than 250k.  A minority of Americans support Cantor's position which means they will be blamed.

[Velleity]

What are the promises Republicans have actually made? They want to extend Bush's tax cuts for the rich. Unless Obama capitulates completely, as Canter has demanded, that's never going to happen.

I don't know what to think if Obama actually capitulates.

They're going to repeal health care? Same deal as preserving the Bush tax cuts for the rich. 

On the other side here it looks like they're not going to extend unemployment compensation, and this will be pinned squarely on the Republicans. What's that going to do for or to them?

It looks like gridlock to me. Obama has his work cut out for him the next two years. It seems to me that he potentially can make Republican hubris over eking out a series of small victories with 42% of the electorate work real well for Democrats. Republicans claim Democrats aren't "learning" anything and their rhetoric assumes that it was somehow about Nancy Pelosi. They're dusting off the "America is a center right nation" meme. Where do they come off rendering this conclusion and stating it as if it's fact?

What did Republicans "learn" from getting their asses whipped in 2008 and 2006? I see no real evidence that they've gained any credibility or respect over the last 2 years. Did they capitulate 100% after they got creamed in those two elections? I can see what Democrats could learn from this, and it's certainly not listening to Republicans in the way they suggest. Their bullshit could be shoved back in their faces as it was in 2006 and 2008, leaving them to have to rely on a close election that they can somehow manage to throw to the Supreme Court. I can see how Democrats could easily turn this against Republicans , but then it's politics so who knows?

[johnhp]

What are the promises Republicans have actually made? They want to extend Bush's tax cuts for the rich. Unless Obama capitulates completely, as Canter has demanded, that's never going to happen.

I don't know what to think if Obama actually capitulates.

They're going to repeal health care? Same deal as preserving the Bush tax cuts for the rich. 

On the other side here it looks like they're not going to extend unemployment compensation, and this will be pinned squarely on the Republicans. What's that going to do for or to them?

It looks like gridlock to me. Obama has his work cut out for him the next two years. It seems to me that he potentially can make Republican hubris over eking out a series of small victories with 42% of the electorate work real well for Democrats. Republicans claim Democrats aren't "learning" anything and their rhetoric assumes that it was somehow about Nancy Pelosi. They're dusting off the "America is a center right nation" meme. Where do they come off rendering this conclusion and stating it as if it's fact?

What did Republicans "learn" from getting their asses whipped in 2008 and 2006? I see no real evidence that they've gained any credibility or respect over the last 2 years. Did they capitulate 100% after they got creamed in those two elections? I can see what Democrats could learn from this, and it's certainly not listening to Republicans in the way they suggest. Their bullshit could be shoved back in their faces as it was in 2006 and 2008, leaving them to have to rely on a close election that they can somehow manage to throw to the Supreme Court. I can see how Democrats could easily turn this against Republicans , but then it's politics so who knows?

The learned absolutely nothing.  You would think that if they wanted the Bush tax cuts to have extended beyond 2010 they would have written that in the legislation.


This will all be placed squarely on them.

[nraforlife]

just CAN'T get over losing can ya. I enjoy your pain.

[johnhp]

just CAN'T get over losing can ya. I enjoy your pain.

Then, maybe, unlike the republicans you can tell us exactly what should be done.  Step up or shut up.

[IM2]

just CAN'T get over losing can ya. I enjoy your pain.

What exactly did deomcrats lose? The house of representatives, thats it. The senate is still controlled by democrats, and the president is still a democrat. The senate can shut down any of he wack shit thats about to come from congress, and the president can veto any craziness that comes to his desk.

So then exactly what have the republicans won?

I don't know what to think if Obama actually capitulates.

I'm done with him if he does this. He will make history as an incumbent president who does not make it out of the primary if he does this.

It's time for Brother Obama to step up and be a leader. He's got to face the fact that this is one situation where hes not going to get people to unite, do the right thing and stop the bullshit thats getting ready to close this nation.

[Velleity]

just CAN'T get over losing can ya. I enjoy your pain.

Losing what?

I am a mainstream Democrat. My candidates narrowly lost their Senate and House races so I'm represented by Mark Kirk and Bob Dold. I am more chagrined at Dan Seal's loss than I am at Alexi Gianoulias'. I am not happy with either Kirk or Dold but both of them have expressed appropriate words about how they won close elections and how they have to make an effort to represent their Democratic constituencies as well as their Republican constituencies.

Given that even Republicans here in Illinois tend to be moderates and not extremists like an Observer or his ilk, I take it that it's possible that both Kirk and Dold can do a good job for Illinois and that they will not be in lock step with obstructionists. Kirk's record on this kind of indicates otherwise but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

In the meantime my other Senator is excellent, and although Illinois has a more red hue at the moment it's still much more blue than red. I have not lost anything yet.

You, on the other hand. . . what have you gained?

Your lunatic fringe point of view has been represent by whom? If someone took up your causes would they even be electable? I realize you have nothing, so you have nothing to lose. But what is it that you have gained here and how does a fringe lunatic loser like you come to gloat to mainstream Democrats?

You kind of sort of have to have something to gloat about. That's kind of a prerequisite to an effective gloat. Don't you think?

[IM2]

nra is from kansas. I am from Kansas. Kasnas has had republican representation in DC even when Bill Clinton and democrats were in control of DC. That's how republican this state is. So nra's really gloating about nothing.

[Velleity]

nra is from kansas. I am from Kansas. Kasnas has had republican representation in DC even when Bill Clinton and democrats were in control of DC. That's how republican this state is. So nra's really gloating about nothing.

But Truelies isn't a Republican. He's a fringe lunatic.

[johnhp]

But Truelies isn't a Republican. He's a fringe lunatic.

Seriously there is no difference any longer.

[Velleity]

Seriously there is no difference any longer.

True, but this creepy character isn't a Republican.

[johnhp]

True, but this creepy character isn't a Republican.

A rose by any other name...

[IM2]

There are moderate republicans but NRA pretty much represents the controlling part of the republican party in Kansas. Remember now that Sam Brownback is now governor. Pat Roberts is a senator who will never get voted out, most of our congress reps are republicans right wingers, so NRA is represented very well. The moderate republicans in Kansas are catching hell.