i've been saying this for years

[Mornac]

Most of them I get from the context of the English language; others, from reference material such as dictionaries and encyclopedias.  Sometimes I just ask other people. Why do you ask? I thought this conversation was about what you and I have been saying for years.

[johnhp]

Don't forget the ugly face of Mornac's enclave within Catholicism:

Bishop Richard Williamson - Gas Chambers, Anti-Semitism and the Truth

Mornac hates liberals but will speak no ill of this guy's antisemitism.

[IM2]

because YOU say so? The ONLY certainty you have is that they despise YOUR politics. Anything else is unseemly speculation waaaaayyyyyy above your paygrade.

No, because the bible has plain simple easy to read language and these people do not follow the rules that are written in that plain simple easy to read language. Racism is not what God endorses. Refusal to help those who are poor, in need and things like that are not what God asks of us. Deciding that we can kill whoever we don't like, spreading false messages about other religions or people, coveting land and resources that do not belong to us, greed and the support and endorsement of it, all ungoldy, and non christian. So it's pretty easy for me to say that those like you are not true followers of Chirst.

Just because you are an ignorant racist piece of shit does not mean everyone is ignorant. The simple fact I allow you to communciate with me means I am letting you communicate far, far above YOUR pay grade pussy.

[Velleity]

Most of them I get from the context of the English language; others, from reference material such as dictionaries and encyclopedias.  Sometimes I just ask other people.

So what are your definitions here? Who is a liberal and who is a conservative?

Why do you ask?

Because I'm under the impression that if I ask you a question I can sometimes get an answer. Am I wrong?

I thought this conversation was about what you and I have been saying for years.

I thought so too, which is why I asked you a question. Many times when I have conversations I like to ask questions. I didn't think that practice was unusual but apparently you have some kind of a problem with it?

I find it odd that you would be having this problem. Please explain my transgression.

[Mornac]

So what are your definitions here? Who is a liberal and who is a conservative?

--A liberal here is someone who distorted and mis-represented any of the documents of the Second Vatican Council in order to undermine authentic Catholic teaching and a conservative is someone who conserves that same teaching in spite of the liberal molestation.

Because I'm under the impression that if I ask you a question I can sometimes get an answer. Am I wrong?

--You can always get an answer if you ask the question succinctly. If not, you will still get a response in the form of a request to clarify your question. More often than not – that is where you disappear. Why that happens is puzzling to me, but it is not my job to force people to uphold their end of the participation here. 

I thought so too, which is why I asked you a question. Many times when I have conversations I like to ask questions. I didn't think that practice was unusual but apparently you have some kind of a problem with it?

--What makes you think I have a problem with it?

I find it odd that you would be having this problem.

--Which problem?

Please explain my transgression.

--Your transgression is in thinking that I have a problem being asked questions.

[Velleity]

--A liberal here is someone who distorted and mis-represented any of the documents of the Second Vatican Council in order to undermine authentic Catholic teaching and a conservative is someone who conserves that same teaching in spite of the liberal molestation.

Who gets to decide whether documents have been misrepresented and why do they get to decide?

[JC]

Sounds to me more like wrestling for control of the church and using political ideology to do so. When politics and religion mix it's never a good thing.

[johnhp]

If you viewed the video i posted you have everything you need to know about Mornac's version of Catholicism.

[IM2]

--A liberal here is someone who distorted and mis-represented any of the documents of the Second Vatican Council in order to undermine authentic Catholic teaching and a conservative is someone who conserves that same teaching in spite of the liberal molestation.

You don't know the political philosophy of anyone who was responsible for what you are claiming here asshole. You simply blame liberals for all bad. Be a man, take responsibility and face the truth. YOUR CHURCH, from its highest officer, protected and enabled child molesters.

Period. No excuses. End of story.

[Mornac]

Who gets to decide whether documents have been misrepresented

--Those who defend the Church’s Magisterium.

…and why do they get to decide?

--Because the Church’s Magisterium says they do.

[johnhp]

--Those who defend the Church’s Magisterium.
--Because the Church’s Magisterium says they do.

Utter rubbish.  The Magisterium and and those appointed by it decide the meaning of the documents.  You are deliberately dishonest here.

[IM2]

Because the Church’s Magisterium says they do.

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To much interceding in the catholic church.  Thats why things like child molestation can go on, because those in such postiosn can claim that it's written.

[johnhp]

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To much interceding in the catholic church.  Thats why things like child molestation can go on, because those in such postiosn can claim that it's written.

Child molestation occurs because there are people who are pedophiles and hebophiles who become priests.  The number of incidents, of course, used to be higher than it is today.  In fact, much higher.  To the degree that the institutional structures of the church still behave the way they did prior to the reforms of the last council, this problem will go on.  To the degree that conservative elements in the church and in public discourse continue to scapegoat homosexuals, this problem will continue.

If we look at the studies of these crimes, what we see is a peak of the crimes in the US around 1971 or 1972.  As the reforms of the Council began being implemented the number of cases in the US declined.  If you look at it on a graph, the decline is dramatic.

i am a Catholic.  i was born in the wake of the last Council.  i grew up in, love and, to some extent, serve the church.  i do not abide these monsters and i will not abide any attempt to scapegoat homosexuals for the crimes of these monster not will i accept the idea that we have to return to the situation prior to the implementation of the reforms of the Council.  Running bacward will solve nothing.  It would put back into place the whole apparatus that abetted these crimes in the first place.

[IM2]

John,

This is not about you. You make no excuses for the wrongs done. You, I can see, honestly try working to erase the wrongs committed.

Mornac, however is an excuse maker. His excuses all flow from his political ideology. Liberals can do nothing right in his veiw, therefore all things that have gone wrong in the catholic church were caused by liberals who infiltrated the church. Like only conservatives go to church.

And he is wrong about that.

As a liberal, I'm tired of assholes like this. Political philosophy had nothing to do with the child molestation that went on in that chruch. Perhaps changing the long time law that calls for preists and nuns to be celebate and let them have partners if they so desire would change things for the better. And that law probably was not made by a liberal.