Hey, Mornac! More great news from the religion of sex abuse and pedophilia.

[JC]

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Priest sex abuse linked to 13 suicides in Belgium; hundreds come forward

 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39093978/ns/world_news-euro... /

Do you have a Vortex video for this?

[IM2]

I'm afraid that Mr. Voris has nothing to say about this, so neither will Mornac.

[Mornac]

It appears that there are people here desiring to see Vortex videos concerning the Novus ordo priest sex abuse scandal in Belgium. If you had been paying attention when I first brought this story to this forum back in June when it was first breaking, you would have seen the Vortex video that was released at the time:

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As a first rate analyst of Novus ordo misconduct, Mr. Voris will undoubtedly have more to say on the matter as the scandal continues to come to light. I will post any and all pertinent videos as they are made available so that your appetite for such will be satiated.

I thank you all for your ongoing interest in exposing Novus ordo priests and their deviant crimes. It’s gratifying to see that even secularists are disgusted by this behavior and are eager to see these perverts sent to the slammer. Anything you can do to help bring this about will be greatly appreciated.

[JC]

You just don't get it. You try to blame a certain portion or sect of Catholics for sex abuse as if it absolves the other half-whatever that is. You simply can't do that. You and your people as a religion-all of you-OWN this and you can't distance yourself from it,try as you may. The Catholic Church, the Vatican and damn near every diocese and archdiocese on the face of the earth OWN this. Any Catholic that continues to deflect or distract or try to parcel off or compartmentalize this abuse and make excuses for it or place themselves above or beyond it shares in the responsibility for it's existence and continuance. I was being sarcastic about asking if there was a video to address this. I know you know that and if not then I give you too much credit. The fact that you quickly cough up a video as if it explains anything or absolves a portion of Catholics is a sorry excuse and poor attempt at deflection and continual sign of denial to accept any responsibility on behalf of your pitiful 'one true faith". The Catholic church and faith and religion shall carry this shame, and anyone who blissfully and ignorantly continues their involvement in Catholicism and the church, religion and faith is absolutely contemptible.

[johnhp]

i hate again to offer correction and facts, but let's be clear about the report.  It reaches back to the 60s and 70s to the period of time BEFORE the reforms took effect in the training of priests.  The Belgian report, like the American report, demonstrates that the vast majority of instances in which the abuse of children occur can be placed at the feet of those priests who went through formation in the manner Mornac promotes.  His solution is just more poison.

Does this mean that things cannot be done to improve the situation?  Of course not.  If anything what this tells us is that the reforms did not go far enough.  There needs to be more transparency and more accountability.  People in charge when these events happened and people knowingly hiding these events need to lose their office.  This should start from the top down.

Make no mistake, if you want the abuse numbers to rise the quickest way is to adopt Mornac's recidivism.  If you want this to stop the quickest way is to deepen and extend the reforms and to hold accountable, from the top down, all who have participated in covering up crimes.

[Mornac]

All in favor of getting this sick Novus ordo Cardinal into a lock-up as soon as possible say 'aye'. All opposed say something else (or nothing at all).

Cardinal Danneels Responds In Character To Pedophilia Report
From the desk of Alexandra Colen on Sat, 2010-09-11

Once again Belgium is in shock. Yesterday Professor Adriaenssens, the man who headed the committee that was established to collect and investigate instances of sexual abuse and pedophilia in the Catholic Church in Belgium, presented his report  and conclusions. The extent and degree of abuse that turns out to have been widespread, is horrifying. The Belgian Cardinal Danneels’s response to the report is entirely in character. This man will never change. His spokesman said that Cardinal Danneels “once again expresses sincere sympathy with the victims and their families for the suffering that they experienced…” and adds some platitudes about structures and institutions. Yet for decades he was responsible for the fact that complaints by the victims and their families were ignored. He made himself scarce whenever churchgoers who encountered abuses appealed to him.

In 1998 when I wished to discuss the content of the pedophile catechism manual Roeach that my children had to use at school, he employed his classic strategy: He made sure he knew nothing by avoiding any contact with the complaining party, and if they persevered he attempted to damage their credibility. In my case he repeatedly refused to receive a delegation of the hundreds of parents who stood at his door. In the press he questioned my motives and he sent others to reprimand me privately for being “disobedient” to the Church. Many parents came to me with accounts of similar experiences. Parents were fobbed off with vague comments and shush-shushing expressions of sympathy. Yet he was the one who should have conducted investigations and taken measures.

The rampant pedophilia and child abuse in the Belgian Church is not, as some say, caused by structural inadequacies, but by individuals who refused to assume their responsibility. Each teacher or head of a school, each parish priest, bishop or archbishop who refused to take remarks or complaints by parents seriously, who neglected to take measures in their school, parish or diocese, has contributed to the culture in which pedophiles could do as they pleased and destroy the lives of hundreds, thousands of children and their families.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4528

[johnhp]

All in favor of getting this sick Novus ordo Cardinal into a lock-up as soon as possible say 'aye'. All opposed say something else (or nothing at all).

Cardinal Danneels Responds In Character To Pedophilia Report
From the desk of Alexandra Colen on Sat, 2010-09-11

Once again Belgium is in shock. Yesterday Professor Adriaenssens, the man who headed the committee that was established to collect and investigate instances of sexual abuse and pedophilia in the Catholic Church in Belgium, presented his report  and conclusions. The extent and degree of abuse that turns out to have been widespread, is horrifying. The Belgian Cardinal Danneels’s response to the report is entirely in character. This man will never change. His spokesman said that Cardinal Danneels “once again expresses sincere sympathy with the victims and their families for the suffering that they experienced…” and adds some platitudes about structures and institutions. Yet for decades he was responsible for the fact that complaints by the victims and their families were ignored. He made himself scarce whenever churchgoers who encountered abuses appealed to him.

In 1998 when I wished to discuss the content of the pedophile catechism manual Roeach that my children had to use at school, he employed his classic strategy: He made sure he knew nothing by avoiding any contact with the complaining party, and if they persevered he attempted to damage their credibility. In my case he repeatedly refused to receive a delegation of the hundreds of parents who stood at his door. In the press he questioned my motives and he sent others to reprimand me privately for being “disobedient” to the Church. Many parents came to me with accounts of similar experiences. Parents were fobbed off with vague comments and shush-shushing expressions of sympathy. Yet he was the one who should have conducted investigations and taken measures.

The rampant pedophilia and child abuse in the Belgian Church is not, as some say, caused by structural inadequacies, but by individuals who refused to assume their responsibility. Each teacher or head of a school, each parish priest, bishop or archbishop who refused to take remarks or complaints by parents seriously, who neglected to take measures in their school, parish or diocese, has contributed to the culture in which pedophiles could do as they pleased and destroy the lives of hundreds, thousands of children and their families.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4528

From a news story about the molestation:

The abuse went back to the 1950s, was most common in the 60s and was tailing off by the 1980s, Adriaenssens said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/10/belgium-child-abuse-catholic-church

Tailed off while Danneels was in charge.  Understandable why you would hold him responsible.  Idiot.

And the guy who wrote this article was bitching that the church wanted to inform the kids on how to recognize sex abuse?  What kind of idiot is that?

[Mornac]

To those who have recently taken an interest in my crusade to root out criminal child sex abusing priests and bring them to justice:

It seems there is another Catholic on this forum who is shamelessly trying to defend and/or minimalize the crimes and the criminals operating within the Church. It’s an embarrassment to say the least that we have people like this calling themselves Catholics but there is little we can do about it. They are part of the problem. Please don’t let such persons sway you from your resolve to help us expose and prosecute of any and all criminal priest-perverts.

[johnhp]

To those who have recently taken an interest in my crusade to root out criminal child sex abusing priests and bring them to justice:

It seems there is another Catholic on this forum who is shamelessly trying to defend and/or minimalize the crimes and the criminals operating within the Church. It’s an embarrassment to say the least that we have people like this calling themselves Catholics but there is little we can do about it. They are part of the problem. Please don’t let such persons sway you from your resolve to help us expose and prosecute of any and all criminal priest-perverts.

You are amazingly arrogant.  You do not care about the children who have been abused other than as an ideological issue to putsch your recidivist agenda.  If you did, you would deal with the facts at hand rather than demanding a return to the system of training priests that produced over 70% of the monsters involved in the sexual abuse of children.  What happened when that system was gradually replaced?  The numbers of abuse stopped.

Shame on you.

[IM2]

Mornac,

Why don't you just shut up until you have rid the catholic church of the child molesters?

Because you're a bigot of the first order hiding behind a religion.

[Mornac]

Fri, Mar. 4, 2011
Scandal should delay sainthood

By Chris Freind

If Pope John Paul II's beatification - part of the path to sainthood - takes place as scheduled on May 1, it will have been the fastest in history. Pope Benedict XVI waived the requirement of a five-year waiting period.

What planet are these folks living on? One way or another, John Paul is complicit in the church's sexual-abuse scandals; he's either responsible or irresponsible for what occurred.

Given his vast intelligence and the worldwide publicity surrounding the plague of pedophilia, if the former pope had no idea what was transpiring, then he was irresponsibly asleep at the switch.

But no matter how insulated he may have been, it is simply not believable to think he had no knowledge of those crimes or the inadequate church response. Which leads to the more likely scenario.

Just as he receives accolades for the good things during the 26 years of his papacy - and there were many - John Paul must also be held at least partly responsible for the illicit activities. He may well have had direct knowledge that the transgressions were occurring, and, rather than aggressively addressing the issue, chose to bury his head in the sand. If that was the case, it makes the sin mortal.

Even worse than the abuse itself, was the enabling of predator priests and the subsequent cover-ups by some in the church hierarchy. Not only was appropriate action not taken most of the time, but often victims and their families were discouraged from taking next steps, with some being threatened with excommunication. Even high-ranking church officials were not immune; many were told that if they cooperated with investigative authorities, there would be severe repercussions.

In fact, a letter from 1997 was uncovered last month from the Vatican to Irish bishops demanding that no pedophile cases be turned over to police - blowing away Vatican claims to the contrary. That letter was signed by the late Archbishop Luciano Storero, Pope John Paul II's apostolic nuncio to Ireland.

Given all that we now know transpired regarding sexual abuse on John Paul's watch, sainthood is out of the question. For the church to pursue it just shows how out of touch it has become.

Many believe that the cover-ups took place because the Good Old Boy network was taking care of its own.

But just as possible is that church leaders were deceitful because they feared the worst for their institution if the facts came to light. If that's the case, where was the faith of those leaders? Faith that the church, which can be traced directly back to Jesus Christ and a fisherman named Peter, could weather the storm, faith that it could stand firm in the face of adversity, and faith that the solution is to always do the right thing and tell the truth.

As a human, a parent, and yes, a faithful Catholic, I find it tragic that these leaders didn't practice the faith they preach.

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20110304_Scandal_should_delay_sainthood.html