Minuteman founder's restraining order

[johnhp]

What does his personal behavior have to do with the right wing movement?  Your are not dissing him but are dissing the movement.  I know nothing about the Minuteman movement but suspect it is no worse than the
left wing thugs that cause race riots and burn down property.

You could have limited your post to "I know nothing" and said as much.

[johnhp]

You are pretty much insinuating that when the shooting starts it will be the righties doing the shooting....Nice...Classy level headed bunch, you righties.....sounds like a threat and promise there. Folks like you should be rounded up. This whole "anger" thing with not having your way, wanting your country back and bullets vs. ballots etc, is really going too far. Enough is enough. We are moving backwards as a country in terms of civility due to right wing anger.

JC

Isn't thatsomething we suspected all along?

[IM2]

you're joking right ivan?  sounds like your town is full of a bunch of backwards yokels whose kids aren't going to have a very easy time competing in the 21st century.  globalization is a very real thing ivan.  

there aren't that many "Mayberry's" left and if anyone needs to worry about getting "got",  it's you.

peace

No dagon, hes not joking. I live about 130 miles east of him and while not everyone in his town is a backward yokel, the majority are. During my college days at KSU, me and other brothers had to beat down many like ivanm who thought they could express their yokality to the faces of black folks and that black folks were supposed to take it.

ivan,

Rest assured that if there is a revolution, the righties are going to get blasted to oblivion. They are a very small minority. Loud, but small in number.

[dagon]

ivan,

Rest assured that if there is a revolution, the righties are going to get blasted to oblivion. They are a very small minority. Loud, but small in number.

that's exactly what i was going to say.  ivan must have no idea what time it is.

peace

[Observer]

Simple question concerning the issue you raised here: that this hearing is somehow legally defective or of little importance because it is not a trial.

Not at all. However, it is not a finding that domestic violence occurred... only that it has been alleged that domestic violence occurred.

That is what annoyed me about your initial post. You insinuated that this guy is some kind of a wife beater because someone got a restraining order against him. I deal with protective orders like that all the time. One of my clients is a battered woman's shelter and one of the services they offer is assisting women seeking restraining orders against abusive spouses. Any of the staffers there would tell you that although most of those orders are warranted, a not insignificant number of them are baseless. Lawyers often encourage their female clients to seek them to bolster their case in divorce proceedings. Women often seek them as a way to hurt a spouse, particularly if he is a prominent figure or works in a profession that requires him to be armed (like a Police Officer).

One of my clients is a Special Master, directed by the Courts to handle certain child custody issues, and I have no doubt she will tell you that women often seek Restraining Orders to sabotage a husband's attempt to seek custody of the children in a divorce. Many judges would rather err on the side of caution and will issue such an order on nothing more than an accusation.

As I said earlier, I don't know anything about this guy. He may be a major scumbag who slaps around his wife and the order might very well be justified, BUT the simple fact that the order was issued in no way establishes that as fact.

  If this man violates the restraining order, is the fact that this order is not the result of a trial a legitimate defense to the violation of the order?

It is a valid Court Order as soon as it is served.

[Observer]

There are two things here.  First of all, earning a doctorate is not simply a matter of taking a certain number of courses.  There are research abilities (which you sorely lack), languistic abilities (not only do i have to read French and German and Italisn, but i have to research in those languages as well), in many disciplines writing a dissertation and defending it, etc.  i think you are oversimplifying what it takes to earn a doctorate.

Is English one of your "required" languages?

[IM2]

I don't know much about the guy except that he is a mnuteman, and that's bad enough.  I also agree with Observer here relative to the allegations of spousal abuse. Its a scarlet letter that issued by women in a vindictive way a lot of times.

Yet in this case, this asshole needs to be exposed for what he represents. That is the worst part of the human species.

[Observer]

Yet in this case, this asshole needs to be exposed for what he represents.

What would that be?

[johnhp]

Not at all. However, it is not a finding that domestic violence occurred... only that it has been alleged that domestic violence occurred.

Everything after "not at all" is superfluous to the issue i raised.  You are dismissed.

That is what annoyed me about your initial post. You insinuated that this guy is some kind of a wife beater because someone got a restraining order against him.

No, you inferred it from my statement.  i cannot help it if basic reading skills are against you.  i clearly wrote "beat down or threaten to beat down" which was clearly an opinion of mine not a statement of fact.

I deal with protective orders like that all the time.

Really you should stop bringing your legal troubles into this.

One of my clients is a battered woman's shelter and one of the services they offer is assisting women seeking restraining orders against abusive spouses. Any of the staffers there would tell you that although most of those orders are warranted, a not insignificant number of them are baseless. Lawyers often encourage their female clients to seek them to bolster their case in divorce proceedings. Women often seek them as a way to hurt a spouse, particularly if he is a prominent figure or works in a profession that requires him to be armed (like a Police Officer).

Oh, you're pretending to be a detective again.  Your appeal to authority is noted and summarily dismissed.

One of my clients is a Special Master, directed by the Courts to handle certain child custody issues, and I have no doubt she will tell you that women often seek Restraining Orders to sabotage a husband's attempt to seek custody of the children in a divorce. Many judges would rather err on the side of caution and will issue such an order on nothing more than an accusation.

See above.  If you are going to appeal to things like this as evidence of anything, you need to offer verifiable evidence.  Like i did in the first post.

As I said earlier, I don't know anything about this guy. He may be a major scumbag who slaps around his wife and the order might very well be justified, BUT the simple fact that the order was issued in no way establishes that as fact.

Who claimed it did?  There you go whining for several pages on your misunderstanding.

[johnhp]

Is English one of your "required" languages?

Yes.  Thank you for asking. 

[IM2]

What would that be?

Why don't YOU tell me what he represents?

Because if I were to say he represents white racist extremists, you are going to tell me he doesn't or ask for some kind of proof, when we all know what the minutemen are all about.

We all includes you.