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[Mornac]

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I wish that the heathens present could share the disgust that the rest of us feel when we see stories like this. Sad that one mans graveyard is another mans hobby collection:

Abortionists Kept Aborted Babies in Jars

by Matthew Archbold
Sunday, September 05, 2010

Two abortionists in Maryland (Dr. Steven Brigham and Dr. Nicola Riley) were ordered to stop practicing abortions in Maryland after a woman was severely injured.

Subsequently, police raided the clinic searching for medical records and to their horror they discovered dozens of unborn babies stored in a freezer.

After being shocked and disgusted my mind raced back to an incident a few months ago.

This would be a strange and horrible story if it had never happened before but just a few months ago another abortionist, this one in Philadelphia, was discovered to be keeping aborted babies in jars.

The offices of Philadelphia abortionist Kermit Gosnell were raided earlier this year after a woman was injured and they found the conditions of the clinic to be “deplorable and unsanitary.”

Authorities reported: “There was blood on the floor, and parts of aborted fetuses were displayed in jars.”

I used to think that the abortion industry were simply capitalists who allowed their greed to override their humanity. I used to think that maybe it was just feminism run amok and that cooler heads would eventually prevail. I used to think that pro-lifers were simply up against the extreme of secularized logic. Over the past few years though I’ve come to believe that it’s more than that. It’s worse than that. We’re immersed in a culture with a death fetish. Our fascination with death is boundless.

Our culture increasingly sees humanity as the problem. We elevate animals in order to grant them human rights and increasingly view humans as animals.

I have increasingly come to agree with C.S. Lewis who said we are in “enemy occupied territory.” Hate has become so commonplace that it has lost its power to surprise me. Kindness now moves me more than hate. I have come to see love as the exception; kindness as counter cultural. Maybe it was always this way and I am simply more aware of it now. But maybe on the other hand we’ve stepped off a cliff here. Maybe things actually are getting worse. Maybe all the standards and rules we as a society saw as bars of a cage were actually protecting us. From each other.

No matter what, I think it’s time love made a comeback.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/abortionists-kept-aborted-babies-in-jars/

[ivanm]

I wonder what the intent of keeping the aborted remains in jars was.  I can see where the frozen materials might be of use for research by other organizations but fetuses  in jars, probably preserved by some sort of solution, leaves me wondering.

As to our society being overcome by meaness and evil, one must consider the relatively small number of abortions there are each year and one should keep things in perspective.  Additionally the number of abortions seems to be falling. 

Perhaps an abortion provider does prey on the weakness of the expectant mother who for some reason does not want to keep the baby or cannot afford to rear it.  It does seem to be barbaric in a way, but looking at it another way, it is less barbaric for an abortion to take place under a doctor's care than in a back alley with a coat hanger.  I am speaking of the welfare of the expectant mother.

One might wonder where I got my calloused attitude on the issue.  My previous wife had three children
by another man that did not help support them and it was a real burden on her, both mentally, physically, and financially, to try and care for them.  She would have been much better off had the father kept the children, but they would have really suffered with him as he was a drunk that refused to work rather than pay child support and lived off a lonely older woman.

Summing it up, I look more at the quality of life than at the quantity of life.  It is easy to shell out a bunch of unwanted kids but it isn't easy to provide a decent upbringing for them.  Too many times these unfortunate kids become wards of society, and that is not my idea of a good thing for the kids, for the parent, or for the taxpayer.

[ivanm]

I shouldn't be knocking the Catholic policy against contraceptives but I find it pretty irresponsible for a family to pump out a bunch of kids they cannot support or cannot give an even chance at life.  This may be wrong of me, but I think the policy came about in the early days of Catholicism in order to promote growth of the Church in numbers because the early infant church was small in numbers and weathered a lot of persecution and harm, even death for its followers.  Safety in numbers may have been the idea, the old thing of ovewhelming the enemy over time by outbirthing them.

[IM2]

When the heathen who  started this thread understands that bodies piled up in wars are aborted human beings also, then perhaps there will be empathy for your positon. Until that time, showing the most extreme examples is not going to get your position any more respect than it has now.

[Mornac]

I shouldn't be knocking the Catholic policy against contraceptives but I find it pretty irresponsible for a family to pump out a bunch of kids they cannot support or cannot give an even chance at life.

--Actually it’s not “policy”- it’s teaching, and I’m not sure what it has to do with the responsibility of a family for its size.

This may be wrong of me, but I think the policy came about in the early days of Catholicism in order to promote growth of the Church in numbers because the early infant church was small in numbers and weathered a lot of persecution and harm, even death for its followers.  Safety in numbers may have been the idea, the old thing of ovewhelming the enemy over time by outbirthing them.

--The problem is that you continue to confuse “teaching” with “policy”. Unlike sola scriptura sects, the Catholic Church does not, and never has, formed doctrine based on what may be happening in secular society at a given moment.