Can We Admit That The Bush Years Were An Epic Failure?

[JC]

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1. Inability to protect after receiving a warning about a 9/11 type attack.

2. Katrina Response and Relief Effort - Heckuva Job Brownie

3. Never Finding Bin Ladin and can't substantiate proof that he's dead.

4. Tried (and actually succeeded in hoodwinking US Citizenry) to tie Sadaam and Iraq to Al Qaida and 9/11, and claiming WMDs were there and we HAD to go in!-never found.

5. Outing of a CIA Operative - That's TREASON!

6. Vice President has an alcohol and firearms moment, shooting a friend in the face - "oops, my bad"

7. Warrantless Wiretapping "A-OK" w/ these clowns and trashing Habeus Corpus.

8. Turned a Record Surplus into a Record Deficit

9. Patriot act gets rammed down our throats unread all because it had the word "patriot" on the cover (with us or against us was the extortion claim).

10. The Stock Market, Banks and Housing Markets Collapsed during BUSH's term -ON HIS WATCH, just like 9/11!


Did they do anything right besides succeeding in fucking up-I give them an A+ for being monumental fuckups.

[IM2]

Yep.

[SpaceCadet]

Yes, and don't forget declaring combat operations to be over in Iraq, when they were no where close to being over.

But, to be fair, the President has no control over the stock market.  Investors play the market at their own risk.

[IM2]

This is not what republicans are saying now, so then it is not what we should be saying now either. Unless you want a return to total republican rule

[SpaceCadet]

This is not what republicans are saying now, so then it is not what we should be saying now either. Unless you want a return to total republican rule

Sorry, but what's true is true.  The solution is to educate the American people, not to continue lies and deception to the point where rhetoric has absolutely no relation to reality.

[JC]

Then if you believe in truth and education, will you please acknowledge that the ground zero mosque is not really at ground zero and it's not really a mosque and Obama is not a muslim and that he is an American ciitizen? I'm not saying that you have ever claimed any of the above to be false, but I am asking you to acknowledge all the above as truths-that is if you are interested in truth and education. Could you do that? It may go a long way in convincing others around here given your history as an person working in the intelligence field if you would weigh in on these statements.

[SpaceCadet]

Then if you believe in truth and education, will you please acknowledge that the ground zero mosque is not really at ground zero and it's not really a mosque and Obama is not a muslim and that he is an American ciitizen? I'm not saying that you have ever claimed any of the above to be false, but I am asking you to acknowledge all the above as truths-that is if you are interested in truth and education. Could you do that? It may go a long way in convincing others around here given your history as an person working in the intelligence field if you would weigh in on these statements.

Absolutely.  All of this crap over this mosque, or community center, or whatever you wish to call it, is a bunch of bigoted nonsense.  I argued strenuously over at NoPC that although I don't personally have any fondmess for Islam, that there is no rational basis for opposing this development.  There is certainly no legal basis, and there is not even any moral basis. 

You should have seen the response of many of the "conservatives" over there.      It was wildly irrational, emotional, and even hysterical.  It continues still over there, I think  The idiots want to turn us into a country like Saudi Arabia, if necessary, in order to stop this development.  It's completely crazy.

I think conservatives would be better served to focus on real issues, like the economy, rather than hysterically opposing building this community center, in an extremely un-American manner, I have to say.

[ivanm]

This is not what republicans are saying now, so then it is not what we should be saying now either. Unless you want a return to total republican rule

I think we need a balanced Congress where both sides have a say in policy making. 

[SpaceCadet]

I think we need a balanced Congress where both sides have a say in policy making. 

Me too, nominally speaking, although I'm beginning to care less and less what Republicans have to say.   

[IM2]

Sorry, but what's true is true.  The solution is to educate the American people, not to continue lies and deception to the point where rhetoric has absolutely no relation to reality.

I agree, but then that means we all must realize the recesison is not Obamas fault, nor is the bad economy his fault. But republicans are not going to admit to this no matter how much you educate them. And they will continue plastering the airwaves witht thier lies,which are basically responsible for Obamas falling approval ratings.

Finally, policies created do have a bearing on how the stock  market operates. Slashing Glass-Steagall was the thing that started the mess we have happening now.

[Pepsi]

But, to be fair, the President has no control over the stock market.  Investors play the market at their own risk.

That is a bit simplistic isnt' it?    The government sets economic policy via the Fed and regulates the markets.  both of these if done correctly should prevent the type of bubbles we saw in the real estate market which when it came crashing down nearly brought down our financial systems and brought about economic collapse.   

Let's not forget that the real estate bubble was promoted by Bush et al as a sign of successful economic policy.   Lets not forget that deregulation of the financial sector increased the risk of the credit crisis which ensued.   Deregulation is a core principle of the republican ideology.   

[Observer]

1. Inability to protect after receiving a warning about a 9/11 type attack.

Let's see... that President's Daily Brief to which you are making a vague and inaccurate reference can be found HERE

You might want to read it. It does not say anything remotely similar to what Leftists claim it says.

2. Katrina Response and Relief Effort - Heckuva Job Brownie

The Bush Administration response to the Katrina disaster was larger and faster than any Federal response to any natural disaster in the history of this country. That is an undeniable fact. No one, Republican or Democrat could have done more. If President Bush is to be disparaged for the Federal response it should be because he took actions to help that may well have been outside his authority. The question is not whether he did enough, but whether he did too much.

3. Never Finding Bin Ladin and can't substantiate proof that he's dead.

I must have missed the news headlines when the Obama administration found and captured Bin Laden. When did that happen?

4. Tried (and actually succeeded in hoodwinking US Citizenry) to tie Sadaam and Iraq to Al Qaida and 9/11,

Blatantly untrue. that particular lie is so old and tired and thoroughly debunked that I am surprised anyone would even drag it out of the closet anymore and actually expect someone to believe it. Of course, I guess we should take your target audience into account.

Be so kind as to show me a single quote from President Bush in which he tries to tie Iraq to the attacks of 11 Sep 01.

and claiming WMDs were there and we HAD to go in!-never found.

The Congressional Resolution authorizing the use of military force in Iraq can be found HERE

Again, I suggest you read it. It is obvious you do not know why we went into Iraq.

5. Outing of a CIA Operative - That's TREASON!

Baseless allegation. That is a polite way of saying... Lie.

6. Vice President has an alcohol and firearms moment, shooting a friend in the face - "oops, my bad"

Do you have evidence the Vice President was impaired by alcohol when that accident occurred. If you do, please present it.

7. Warrantless Wiretapping "A-OK" w/ these clowns and trashing Habeus Corpus.

Another distortion of the truth. Why do you do that?

8. Turned a Record Surplus into a Record Deficit

Also untrue. Perhaps you could provide some actual figures to support your claim.

9. Patriot act gets rammed down our throats unread all because it had the word "patriot" on the cover (with us or against us was the extortion claim).

Congress makes LAW, not the President... Article I, Section 1 of the United States Constitution. Maybe you should add that to your reading list.

10. The Stock Market, Banks and Housing Markets Collapsed during BUSH's term -ON HIS WATCH, just like 9/11!

I wasn't aware the President controlled the Stock Market. What Article of theConstitution gives him that power?

It seems you went 0 for 10. That gives a monumental FAIL for this project.

[Observer]

Absolutely.  All of this crap over this mosque, or community center, or whatever you wish to call it, is a bunch of bigoted nonsense.  I argued strenuously over at NoPC that although I don't personally have any fondmess for Islam, that there is no rational basis for opposing this development.  There is certainly no legal basis, and there is not even any moral basis. 

You should have seen the response of many of the "conservatives" over there.      It was wildly irrational, emotional, and even hysterical.  It continues still over there, I think  The idiots want to turn us into a country like Saudi Arabia, if necessary, in order to stop this development.  It's completely crazy.

Bullshit.

You know, you really don't have to debase yourself by sucking up to these people like that.

[SpaceCadet]

That is a bit simplistic isnt' it?    The government sets economic policy via the Fed and regulates the markets.  both of these if done correctly should prevent the type of bubbles we saw in the real estate market which when it came crashing down nearly brought down our financial systems and brought about economic collapse.   

Let's not forget that the real estate bubble was promoted by Bush et al as a sign of successful economic policy.   Lets not forget that deregulation of the financial sector increased the risk of the credit crisis which ensued.   Deregulation is a core principle of the republican ideology.   

My comment, which you quoted, was regarding the stock market, not the real estate market.

[SpaceCadet]

Bullshit.

You know, you really don't have to debase yourself by sucking up to these people like that.

As you well know, I don't suck up to anyone.  As far as it being BS, anyone can go read the thread.