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« on: November 19, 2007, 12:45:34 AM »

After all, if God is there, He is out there somewhere perhaps...

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"When power leads man toward arrogance, poetry reminds him of his limitations. When power narrows the areas of men's concern, poetry reminds him of the richness and diversity of his existence. When power corrupts, poetry cleanses, for art establishes the basic human truths which must serve as the touchstone of our judgment."

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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 09:14:17 AM »

It is said that God and religion are NOT what the general public percieves.

The Pope in recent years has commanded everyone to "search for God".  But I think that most all...regard it to mean they should look inwardly...and outwardly only in the sense that there are "signs of God" in everything.  Not in any REAL WORLD sense of there existing a "living God" as an actual person like Jesus was a person.  Many in the west have programmed themselves to think that Jesus is God and keep the occasional eye open for any signs of HIS return.   Not even actually believing it so much as they play the game of it. 

After all...it gives hope for the hopeless.  It lends compassion where it is sometimes needed.  It gives some sense of understanding where there is actually none.  And the historical players appeal to the sense of understanding for the need of heroics. 

But the realities have been far removed and so long ago as well.  Hence...Gods controversy...

Hosea 4:1   Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.


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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 06:20:48 PM »

After all, if God is there, He is out there somewhere perhaps...
If theories of parallel universes prove correct and we discover a way to travel between them, would it actually be wise to do so?

Imagine visiting ourselves as we were 3000 years ago... would we be regarded as gods and angels? We could certainly cause no end of mischief.
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Q. What about you, Mornac? Have you ever acted contrary to Catholic teaching and used contraception?
A. While I was a Catholic, the answer is no.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 09:46:51 PM »

What were we 3,000 years ago?
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 09:48:35 PM »

btw, there is a theological theory that man is indeed the offspring of celestrial beings (the "giants" as they are called in the OT) and creatures who inhabited the earth. Might explain some of our "dual" nature, eh/
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 01:22:50 AM »

What were we 3,000 years ago?

Nothing much different.  A bit shorter perhaps.

Now 20,000 years ago?  That's a different matter altogether.  We were quite different...at those very distant ancestors were. 
They decided to have offspring despite the extremely different geophysical situation.  But I won't go into that...s-h-h-h...it's a big religious secret. 
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 09:34:18 AM »

What were we 3,000 years ago?
Solomon died and the twelve tribes of Israel split. Imagine the chaos we could cause.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 11:04:41 PM »

You mean if the tribes hadn't split in the first place...I am still pondering the fact that my Scottish ancestors might have been Egyptian....
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 11:41:02 PM »

After all, if God is there, He is out there somewhere perhaps...

Is God there, or is God everywhere?

Why does God have to be a tangible being or object? Why anthropomorphise an entity that we know absolutely nothing about? After all our perception of matter is what, exactly? There is no difference, really, between matter and energy and what we perceive as being matter is really mostly empty space.

We don't know the true nature of our universe, so how can we even think we know anything at all about God?
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 03:07:12 PM »

After all, if God is there, He is out there somewhere perhaps...

Is God there, or is God everywhere?

Why does God have to be a tangible being or object? Why anthropomorphise an entity that we know absolutely nothing about? After all our perception of matter is what, exactly? There is no difference, really, between matter and energy and what we perceive as being matter is really mostly empty space.

We don't know the true nature of our universe, so how can we even think we know anything at all about God?

It is more like God needing to be IN-tangible.   That's right...thousands of years and people still don't know anything about God.  Yet they profess knowing everything about most everything else.  Strange...that old "human condition". 
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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 05:40:54 PM »

After all, if God is there, He is out there somewhere perhaps...

Is God there, or is God everywhere?

Why does God have to be a tangible being or object? Why anthropomorphise an entity that we know absolutely nothing about? After all our perception of matter is what, exactly? There is no difference, really, between matter and energy and what we perceive as being matter is really mostly empty space.

We don't know the true nature of our universe, so how can we even think we know anything at all about God?

It is more like God needing to be IN-tangible.   That's right...thousands of years and people still don't know anything about God.  Yet they profess knowing everything about most everything else.  Strange...that old "human condition". 

I don't understand why God has to be defined.

God is whatever God is, or isn't whatever She isn't. Defining God will change nothing.

I don't see why it even matters if "God" is just something we've made up. At least in my own religion, as I see it, the concept survives the non-existence of a deity (non-existence in a parochial sense). Being Jewish is mostly about serving humanity. It is also about uncompromising monotheism, which dovetails with serving humanity if you really get down to it.

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 08:47:46 PM »

Yeah.  If religion were no more than the nuances of human politics.  But then there's that "eternal life" and "going to Heaven" stuff that people in the west generally don't know much about either.  Why do THEY have to be defined?  Or more importantly...why do they HAVE TO BE defined as mere moral psychology? 

Well, I suppose people wouldn't have to contend with any sacrifice for, or going to, any paradisical existence.  An easy way out that just glitters golden.  Tongue

OK...I won't rant on any more, since it's holiday time.   Cool
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2007, 01:17:27 AM »

If one sees GOD as a positive force for the good in the universe, then I suppose one is drawn to God through positive action, etc. If God is a negative force, then there is no reason to try to think about God in the first place. I personally think God is an  enduring and loving entity of some sort, and that we are his children and he wants us to love him, the best we can, and maybe just maybe the commandments given to Moses and the teachings of Christ are certain guideposts for us as a gift from a higher realm of being....something to at least consider.
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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 09:41:46 AM »

If one sees GOD as a positive force for the good in the universe, then I suppose one is drawn to God through positive action, etc. If God is a negative force, then there is no reason to try to think about God in the first place. I personally think God is an  enduring and loving entity of some sort, and that we are his children and he wants us to love him, the best we can, and maybe just maybe the commandments given to Moses and the teachings of Christ are certain guideposts for us as a gift from a higher realm of being....something to at least consider.

I think that separating "positive" from "negative" is our own artificial creation. Look at nature. Nature has no such construct. Nature is simply survival.

I think that if there is a God it is far more likely that God said "Here you are. You have everything you need. Let's see what you can do with it."

Heaven and Hell are right here. It's whatever we make it. Unfortunately, we are destroying it and we are going to destroy ourselves.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 12:53:06 PM »

Unfortunately...Salvation is not for the majority.  Few are willing to make the REAL sacrifice for it.  Religion is easier for most to see in earthly terms, omitting the divine perspectives and teaching their children no differently.
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