Catholic Professor “marginalized” by homosexuals

[Mornac]

Mornac, why are you defending this guy? What are you really trying to say here?

--Not accepting his lifestyle marginalizes him. This is his position on the issue. He has to live it and he understands the realities of it. You don't live it and clearly you don't understand. You aren't empathizing. You are superimposing your own construct on him.

[Velleity]

--Not accepting his lifestyle marginalizes him. This is his position on the issue. He has to live it and he understands the realities of it. You don't live it and clearly you don't understand. You aren't empathizing. You are superimposing your own construct on him.

You're right. I'm not empathizing with him at all.

Explain to me why you think I need to be more tolerant of the intolerant?

[johnhp]

Mornac

That is an amazing amount of horseshit.  You should look for what your new pal says about your friends in the SSPX.

[Mornac]

You're right. I'm not empathizing with him at all.

Explain to me why you think I need to be more tolerant of the intolerant?

--Let's be fair about this. You were the one who leveled that charge against me first, so I say you get to bethe first to do the explaining.

[Velleity]

--Let's be fair about this. You were the one who leveled that charge against me first, so I say you get to bethe first to do the explaining.

I honestly believe you're intolerant.

I am not lockstep with John, whom I believe dislikes you as a person for it. I have never said I dislike you as a person and that would be untrue. I actually respect your ability to engage me even though we disagree. That kind of thing is all too uncommon these days.

I also believe that you're a good person.

Not speaking for John here, but I believe there is a big difference on this between he and I and I apologize if I spoke out of turn.

But even still I call them as I see them Mornac, and I encourage you to do the same. Honesty is the best policy, IMHO.

[Mornac]

I have never made a dishonest reply here or anywhere else and I challenge anyone to show where I have. All anyone has to do who wants to know what I think is ask (except for those who are currently ineligible to enter a discussion with me). If you believe I'm "intolerent", then please demonstrate your case.

[Velleity]

I have never made a dishonest reply here or anywhere else and I challenge anyone to show where I have. All anyone has to do who wants to know what I think is ask (except for those who are currently ineligible to enter a discussion with me). If you believe I'm "intolerent", then please demonstrate your case.

I believe your position on gay people is intolerant. I have been telling you why.

I have also told you that I find you to be evasive, and I don't regard that as being totally honest. But I don't think it makes you a bad guy Mornac.

I'm sorry that my opinion of you isn't entirely flattering to you but I'm sure your opinion of me is equally unflattering and I don't begrudge you that opinion.

I don't agree with your opinion, but I don't begrudge it to you.

So what's the big deal here?

[johnhp]

I honestly believe you're intolerant.

I am not lockstep with John, whom I believe dislikes you as a person for it. I have never said I dislike you as a person and that would be untrue.

This is inaccurate; i could not care less about Mornac as a person; i do not know him.  i think his posts are full of shit and treat him accordingly.

[Velleity]

This is inaccurate; i could not care less about Mornac as a person; i do not know him.  i think his posts are full of shit and treat him accordingly.

Didn't mean to speak for you, sorry. I'm just saying that I am not you is all, so I stand corrected.

Of course I don't know him well either but that doesn't mean I can't like him. I find him to be interesting. Unlike every other Headbutter he has something to say, even if I disagree with him. He's not an Ann Coulter wannabe, IMHO.

[johnhp]

i find him tiring and not too bright.  He is a fascist; that is one of the last things i would find fascinating.

[Velleity]

i find him tiring and not too bright.  He is a fascist; that is one of the last things i would find fascinating.

I don't consider him to be fascinating. I consider him to be someone capable of discussion.

Certainly you understand what I'm saying here.

[johnhp]

Actually, to be honest with you, i do not.  There is something about fascism that is just too repulsive.  Sure they can and must be corrected but that is not a discussion.

[Mornac]

I believe your position on gay people is intolerant. I have been telling you why.

--You’re going to have to be more specific: Which position and in what way is it “intolerant”?

I have also told you that I find you to be evasive, and I don't regard that as being totally honest.

--I am not purposefully evasive. The problem (at least in you’re sace) is that you tend not to be specific in neither your statements or your allegations. If I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about, then I cannot give you an exact reply to your questions. That doesn’t mean that I can’t or that I don’t want to. I’m more than happy to tell everyone (eligible) whatever it is that they want to know. However I must insist upon clarity. Expect a reply that is proportionate in accuracy to the wording of your questions. 

But I don't think it makes you a bad guy Mornac.

--I didn’t think that you did.

I'm sorry that my opinion of you isn't entirely flattering to you but I'm sure your opinion of me is equally unflattering and I don't begrudge you that opinion.

--I do not come here to flatter or to be flattered so everything is just fine.

I don't agree with your opinion, but I don't begrudge it to you.

--Likewise.

So what's the big deal here?

--A propos of the subject at hand? I think it’s the disparity between how you feel “gays” should be treated vis a vis people of other minority communities.

[Mornac]

Something for you legal types to chew on.

[Mornac]

******Novus ordo backpedals post haste!!!*******

Gee, I wonder why they would suddenly be sticking up for a fellow who gives instruction based on what “a physician told” him. Guess it’s just the current state of Novus ordo academia. Or perhaps they just like the creepy way he writes e-mails to students about anal sex. Considering whom we’re dealing with here, that must be it. Hope the Novusordinarians don't get too upset about this one. They've been taking a lot of hits lately.

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