Vatican II’s sex abuse scandal

[Mornac]

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It's the Pope's turn to retaliate in Catholic civil war

By Gerald Warner
28 March 2010

'NEVER let a good crisis go to waste" was the political maxim formulated by Hillary Clinton. It has been adopted by the fading trendies in the Catholic Church who still carry the burnt-out torch of the Second Vatican Catastrophe, in their Intifada against Pope Benedict XVI.
The sex abuse scandal in the Church – the product of the post-Conciliar nihilists' own iconoclastic destruction of traditional Catholic morals and spirituality – has audaciously been conscripted to serve their desperate agenda to overthrow the Pope, secure a "progressive" successor and eventually replace the Papacy with some kind of lay soviet (well, that is what happens to your brain if you inhaled substances other than incense, back in the 1960s).

Such an inversion of the truth is not without precedent: the Venerable Pius XII saved 860,000 Jews from the Nazis; but today, thanks to defamation by a German playwright, propagated by "liberal" Catholics, the one individual who did more than anyone on earth to help the Jews is demonised and bracketed with Heinrich Himmler. Now, the Spirit-of-Vatican II groupies are going after Benedict XVI on the child abuse ticket.

"Radical" Catholics are attacking the Vatican, like the chav mobs that sporadically besiege the houses of paediatricians. Our television screens are filled with geriatric ex-Jesuits, feminist nuns, "progressive" theologians and every variety of Lollards and Fifth Monarchy Men. Even their 1960s poster-boy Hans Küng (yes, he is still alive) has emerged from obscurity to throw his pebble at Benedict.

Who was to blame for child sex abuse but precisely the generation of Vatican II revolutionaries who are now wringing their gnarled hands in hypocritical outrage? As the official Irish government report into abuse in the archdiocese of Dublin proves, this orgy of evil was overwhelmingly perpetrated in the post-Vatican II era. During the 1970s and 1980s, when it was at its height, there was only one mortal sin in the Catholic Church: attempting to celebrate or attend the Latin Tridentine Mass.

Contrast the vicious persecution of traditionalist priests and laity with the extravagant indulgence extended to serial child abusers. Today, their chickens have come home to roost. These were the children of Paul VI, of aggiornamento, of the great Renewal: now they must be made to take ownership of their own scandal. It is they who are in denial, not the Pope.

They are being supported by the media, whose agenda is to pressurise the Catholic Church into moral relativism, to withdraw its condemnation of abortion, contraception, divorce, homosexuality, embryo experimentation, ordination of priestesses and every other precept that conflicts with the secularist New World Order.

That will not happen. The fatuity of much of the attack is blatant. Evidently priests abused altar boys because of clerical celibacy. There is no compulsory celibacy in the Church of England, yet vicars and boy scouts have been mainstays of the Sunday tabloids for a century. The Dublin report recorded a ratio of 2.3 boy victims to one girl: the last thing these men wanted was a wife.

The much-hyped Wisconsin scandal, used to traduce Benedict XVI, is another example of forcing the wrong pieces into the jigsaw to fabricate the required picture. The local police investigated Father Murphy in 1974 and refused to believe his accusers. More than 20 years later, when Murphy was dying, his case was referred to the then Cardinal Ratzinger. In 1998 he declined to unfrock the now repentant offender who died four months later.

The Milwaukee district attorney had refused to prosecute Murphy because the statute of limitations had run out; the Vatican faced the same canonical problem. Why are the Milwaukee authorities not blamed instead of the Vatican? Why was Cardinal Ratzinger expected to unravel a case that had baffled the local police 24 years earlier?

Unfrocking would not have deprived Murphy of his priesthood – that is irremovable. It would only have prevented him functioning as a priest, which he was no longer capable of doing.

It is time for the Pope to retaliate. He should adopt the liberals' strategy of not wasting a crisis. The media are howling for the heads of bishops. Very well: give them dozens, even hundreds. This is an opportunity to get rid of every mitred 1960s flower-child obstructing the return of the Tridentine Mass, liturgical reverence and doctrinal orthodoxy. The episcopal gerontocracy, along with the flared-trousered seminary rectors promoting the ordination of social worker priests and blocking genuine vocations, is ripe for a cull. The abuse scandal is only a part of the larger crisis that has engulfed the Church since the Second Vatican Catastrophe – it really is too good to waste.

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/comment/Gerald-Warner-It39s-the-Pope39s.6186172.jp

[johnhp]

It's the Pope's turn to retaliate in Catholic civil war

By Gerald Warner
28 March 2010

'NEVER let a good crisis go to waste" was the political maxim formulated by Hillary Clinton. It has been adopted by the fading trendies in the Catholic Church who still carry the burnt-out torch of the Second Vatican Catastrophe, in their Intifada against Pope Benedict XVI.
The sex abuse scandal in the Church – the product of the post-Conciliar nihilists' own iconoclastic destruction of traditional Catholic morals and spirituality – has audaciously been conscripted to serve their desperate agenda to overthrow the Pope, secure a "progressive" successor and eventually replace the Papacy with some kind of lay soviet (well, that is what happens to your brain if you inhaled substances other than incense, back in the 1960s).

Why would you post a dishonest article?

70% of the priests responsible for these crimes were formed in pre-Vatican 2 seminaries.

[johnhp]

Why did these crimes drop off beginning in 1970 in the US and the later 70s in Ireland?  If Vatican II was responsible the more people trained in its aftermath would lead to more crimes.  The obverse is obviously true: ar the teachings of the Council take firm root, we are beginning to weed out this crime.

[ivanm]

"They are being supported by the media, whose agenda is to pressurise the Catholic Church into moral relativism, to withdraw its condemnation of abortion, contraception, divorce, homosexuality, embryo experimentation, ordination of priestesses and every other precept that conflicts with the secularist New World Order."

I certainly respect and admire the good people of the Catholic Church who want to hold the line on the above moral issues.  Being a Protestant, I have different views on all the issues except homosexuality and I have
what I think are pragmatic reasons for my viewpoints, but I certainly am not going to diss anyone who agrees with the Church on these matters. Maybe I tend to look at the issues as secular issues that need secular solutions but to the Church these are only moral or doctrinal issues.

I think it is a shame that the parasitic media has to wreck any sense of decency this country may still have, just for the sake of ratings and income. If the churches with their doctrine cannot be the bastions of morality
and civility then we are adrift without a sense of direction and propriety because they are our moral rudder.

[dagon]

If the churches with their doctrine cannot be the bastions of morality
and civility then we are adrift without a sense of direction and propriety because they are our moral rudder.

as a life-long non criminal, non child-molesting agnostic,  i can give my honest opinion that they are NOT our moral rudder.  quite the contrary in my opinion.

i'm with hitchens and dawkins;  arrest this bastard who calls himself the pope next time he comes to England.

peace

[Mornac]

i'm with hitchens and dawkins;  arrest this bastard who calls himself the pope next time he comes to England.

--On what grounds? That dagon doesn't like Catholics?

[dagon]

--On what grounds? That dagon doesn't like Catholics?

well, dagon doesn't like any religion but here's the relevant info:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/richard-dawkins-promises-to-arrest-pope-benedict-xvi/story-e6frf7lf-1225852600931

peace

[Malone22]

I don't konw Dagon...It seems similar to trying to repeal the Health Care Plan.

[dagon]

I don't konw Dagon...It seems similar to trying to repeal the Health Care Plan.

hunh?

i don't see the relevance of that statement at all malone.

peace

[Malone22]

 Dagon
Sorry I wasn't clearer
I am startng to post like Ivanm.

I meant is was insurmountable task.

[dagon]

i guess what i'm saying malone is that people are acting like the HCR plan was something that was dictated or pushed through some sort of fiat.

.....it wasn't!  it was Voted into law;  no nuclear option,  just standard negotiations with dissenting lawmakers.

comparing that to trying to question the pope for what is an allegedly systematic and concerted effort to stymie the investigations into priests who molested children and were subsequently shielded is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

peace

[dagon]

Dagon
Sorry I wasn't clearer
I am startng to post like Ivanm.

I meant is was insurmountable task.

ok,  gotcha!

but you know what they say;  sunlight and all that....

peace

[Malone22]

Dagon
Sorry I wasn't clearer
I am startng to post like Ivanm.

I meant is was insurmountable task.

That is what I meant...I can't type worth a shit anymore!!!

[dagon]

That is what I meant...I can't type worth a shit anymore!!!

s'alright.

well,  i doubt the brits have the balls to pull this off but there is precedent.  at the very least,  it's giving Benedict something to think about as he travels around peddling his nonsense.

peace

[Mornac]

well, dagon doesn't like any religion but here's the relevant info:

Professor Dawkins has hired a team of lawyers to see if Pope Benedict XVI can be charged over his handling of the sexual abuse scandal engulfing the Roman Catholic Church, according to The Sunday Times.

--Gee. We finally get a Pope who, unlike his predecessors who turned a blind eye to these problems, has taken action to rid the Church of these atrocities and bring the perpetrators to justice and how does Dawkins react? He wants the Benedict XVI to be charged over his handling of it. Makes you wonder what kind of pervert Dawkins is, don’t it.