"Conservatives" Lie and Make Stuff Up, "Un-mooring Politics From Fact"

[Velleity]

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[johnhp]

Of course they do and when they are caught they try to act as if they did not even raise the issue.

[lucy]

Is this a lie?

"Abandoning all loyalty to the democratic processes this nation holds dear, President Obama has made the decision that getting energy tax legislation through Congress with the approval of the American people is just too much of a pain to bother with. Instead he will have the EPA declare as early as next week that CO2 is a dangerous global warming gas and will start regulating its emissions immediately.

Obama’s promise to open up vast stretches of ocean on the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico to energy exploration is simply a ruse to soften up the public for soon to be announced draconian regulations.

Similar to how Obama used the $50 million dollar study on healthcare companies competing across state lines to sell ObamaCare as a bipartisan bill, his recent decree allowing energy companies to explore (not drill, not produce energy from … just explore) new stretches of ocean for oil is also meant to be a trivial, yet impressive enough sounding carrot for conservatives right before he stuffs his Marxist trash down their throats.

House Minority Leader John Boehner responded to Obama by saying “At the same time the White House makes today’s announcement, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is plotting a new massive job-killer that the American people can’t afford.”

Every American who doesn’t live in a technology adverse commune in California will now pay even more of their hard earned cash to the federal government for absolutely no good reason.

Put simply, it means $8 for a gallon of gas and 2-3 times higher electricity bills. It also means the loss of millions more sorely needed jobs as businesses are hit with higher operating costs and the transfer of whatever remains of our manufacturing sector to China where energy is cheaper and they aren’t so concerned about CO2.
In the first week alone, American businesses estimated that ObamaCare will cost them $14 billion. By most estimates this latest Obama nightmare will be far more expensive and may literally destroy the economy in less than 20 years.

All because of climate science that has been clearly exposed as inaccurate and untrustworthy. Obama may or may not be a communist plant sent to destroy America, but he sure is acting like one. "

link  http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/21566#

[IM2]

Why are you citing the canada free press when you can go to whitehouse.gov and find what you need to know on this issue?

And please stop citing the tan man. Because he has flip flopped so many times he may as well be a pancake.

[lucy]

It helps to have a broad spectrum of commentary and opinion, don't you think? If the roosters are guarding the henhouse, then you don't just interview them to give their cockledoodledoo on what is happening, do you?

[lucy]

I guess I have  a problem with the idea that ONLY CONSERVATIVES LIE and LIBERALS TELL THE TRUTH.

[johnhp]

Is this a lie?

[johnhp]

It helps to have a broad spectrum of commentary and opinion, don't you think? If the roosters are guarding the henhouse, then you don't just interview them to give their cockledoodledoo on what is happening, do you?

No, Lucy.  It helps to have an HONEST spectrum of opinion.

[johnhp]

I guess I have  a problem with the idea that ONLY CONSERVATIVES LIE and LIBERALS TELL THE TRUTH.

Then your problem is obviously with conservatives.

[Velleity]

It helps to have a broad spectrum of commentary and opinion, don't you think? If the roosters are guarding the henhouse, then you don't just interview them to give their cockledoodledoo on what is happening, do you?

If it's honest, yes. If it isn't, no.

"Conservatives" have not been honest.

[IM2]

Lucy,

Nothing wrong with a wide variety, but the wide variety must be factual. You could have gotten the facts from any source, instead you cite the canadian press. Secondly the republicans are not going to work with him and have promised to oppose everything the democrats are trying to do, hopeing the hold up will make the american people mad enough to give them the majority back. Thirdly they have used a constant campaign of lies, diostortion, misinformation and fearmongering in order to create a situation that is basically a powder keg waiting to explode, and when it does, they will cry crocodile tears, and you will not be safe, neither will most of us, from the violence that will go down if what tre republicans are pushing happens.

So if you advocate an unconstitutional violent overthrow of a democratically elected government, then you side with republican conservatives. Because thats exactly what they are doing Lucy, and nothing this president has done has jeopardized this nations soveriegnty or citizens rights in any way shape or form. And I defy you to show me where Obama has. The executive Order is no violation and has been used, for example by the last president.

Get out of conspriacy world lady.

I guess I have  a problem with the idea that ONLY CONSERVATIVES LIE and LIBERALS TELL THE TRUTH.

Conservatives march lock step, and in the matters we have shown you, conservatives are lying.

You see Lucy you have spent so much time swallowing the conservative we are better than liberals crap, that you cannot even today, in the face of obvious conservative lies, deal with the fact that conservatives are lying and liberals are telling the truth in this matter, and have been on the side of right for the most part of the last 40-50 years.

[lucy]

I find the labels "conservative" and "liberal" somewhat overly-used and in many cases merely divisive.

I do not agree with a lot that Republicans or Democrats have done in times past....it's a case by case thing with me, not a party allegiance.

[lucy]

btw, just out of curiosity, what so-called "conspiracies" do you think I espouse....

[IM2]

btw, just out of curiosity, what so-called "conspiracies" do you think I espouse....

For one, President Obama not being an American citizen. Your global warming hoax is another.
There have been more, but these two I can remember right off the top of my head.

I find the labels "conservative" and "liberal" somewhat overly-used and in many cases merely divisive.

That’s why you could make the statement that you have a problem with an idea that was never expressed about only conservatives lying and liberals telling the truth. Right now on the major issues of our time, conservatives are lying. Right now as it pertains to our economic health, conservatives are lying. After all it was their plan that took us into the greet recession we are experiencing Lucy. It stands to reason if we keep listening to them and allow them to complete what they want done, things will not be good for the majority of the people in this nation.

They are not for smaller government Lucy, they are for taking more of your cash and using it for their own pleasure. They represent the very richest, and their policies are designed to make certain the richest of the rich, who have more than plenty to live on, get more, and those who need help don't get it. This is wrong Lucy and its what conservatives represent.  All of this we want you to get more of your money back from the government shit is a lie. the average tax cut check was 600 dollars. That is 50 buck per month back you got. Most of the large payments went to the wealthiest Americans.

And did they create jobs with this additional money they got back, like the conservatives told w you they would. NO, we lost several million jobs during Bush.

You see lucy, it’s not about partisan to me, it’s about observing what is being done and not falling for what is being said. If you observe what Obama is doing, you will see he is doing everything he promised during his campaign. This is something Bush did not do, as he claimed to not be a nation builder, but decided he would then rebuild Iraq and anywhere else in the middle east he wished. Thank goodness for folks like Chuck Hagel.

[lucy]

1) I have never even thought that Obama was not a US citizen. That is not an issue.

2) Global Warming as it is being touted is a hoax. Many articles have been written about this even in the mainstream media.

I did and do not support perpetual war operations. I said this before the war in Iraq and Afghanistan started. We have been responsible for so much death and suffering now, I honestly don't know what is going to happen at this point. God have mercy on our souls.

I dislike what is happening in the US as far as our fiscal policy is concerned. This is not Obama's fault, but has been happening for a long time now....many, many years. There should never have been a confiscation of privately owned gold in 1933, for example.

Stop repeating this mantra of my being totally supportive of Republicans. I am not, nor am I totally supportive of Democrats. As I said, it is, for me, a case by case thing.