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Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« on: September 12, 2019, 04:21:19 PM »
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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2019, 05:01:34 PM »
Well.  pffft.  I read the whole thing sugar britches and I didn't get that from the article at all.  Are you suurrrre you're not just trying to read more into that than is actually going on??  hmmmmm? ::)
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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2019, 05:37:43 PM »
4 Reasons Why the Iran Deal May Be the Worst Diplomatic Decision in History
 
The deal the Obama administration reached with Iran is one of the worst in history, according to Heritage Foundation defense expert Jim Carafano:

"Rarely has there been a deal like the one reached in Vienna . . . a deal in which all the nations most closely affected by it, including Iran, pretty much start out knowing it won’t end well."


Not only does the deal undermine nuclear proliferation by legitimizing Iran as a nuclear threshold state, it also undermines our allies.

Here are the four most dangerous problems with the deal:

1.The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear. This deal most likely will accelerate nuclear proliferation. Because if regional powers feel threatened by the possibility of Iran getting a weapon and the penalty for producing nuclear weapons decreases, then why wouldn’t they?

2. Tehran gets to keep its vast nuclear infrastructure and its missile program.  And the promises from Iran only confirm the obvious: that the regime definitely has nuclear-weapons ambitions. After all, why have a massive ballistic-missile program and secret military nuclear facilities if the plan isn’t to build nuclear weapons?

3. Sanctions relief will make the region far less safe. The sanctions relief and the renewed ability to sell more oil on the open market could wind up bringing $300-400 billion into the Iranian economy, bolstering the Iranian government. Essentially, this means the deal will pay for undermining U.S. policy and interests throughout the region.

4. The deal is temporary, by design. Even the White House doesn’t claim it will permanently keep Iran from getting a bomb. So, what’s the point?

The deal enriches and emboldens Iran — an unstable and unprincipled nation. And it destabilizes the region even further and its puts its neighbors — our allies — at risk. It is a bad deal.  While the Obama administration insists that there were only two choices — the deal or war — the choices were neither that limited, nor that simple.  As Carafano concludes, “This deal is not the antidote to war. Rather, it makes increased conflict all the more likely.”

https://www.myheritage.org/news/4-reasons-why-the-iran-deal-may-be-the-worst-diplomatic-decision-in-history/
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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2019, 07:58:15 PM »
Well.  pffft.  I read the whole thing sugar britches and I didn't get that from the article at all.  Are you suurrrre you're not just trying to read more into that than is actually going on??  hmmmmm? ::)

Did you skip the first paragraph  ???

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.
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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2019, 08:06:19 PM »

Orange Hitler has no signature diplomatic achievement, and he won"t have any because he's a moron and a pathological liar. Anyone who gives him good advice that he doesn't.want to hear gets fired, because he is a weak man.

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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2019, 08:35:02 PM »
Orange Hitler has no signature diplomatic achievement

Disagree, I count 3 signature diplomatic achievements:

1 - tear up the Iran nuclear deal and pay $15B to get Iran to agree to what was agreed to in the deal previously (pending achievement)

2 - trade war with China, resulting in loss of 300,000 US jobs so far, higher cost goods, China shifting imports to other countries and Trump using tax payer money to fund bailouts for the farmers who can no longer sell to China.

3 - having historic summits and lavishly praising the NK dictator, providing him (the NK dictator) with propaganda victory at home thereby strengthening his hold on power, while continuing his nuclear weapon and missile testing and development programs unabated whatsoever.

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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2019, 01:06:37 PM »
Please take the time to watch this video:


It explains a lot.
All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
� ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)
Dagon is an idiot!!

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security, Deserve Neither- Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2019, 01:13:44 PM »

From the article:

"President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials," - This doesn't mean anything. It is pure SPECULATION.

"Trump has in recent weeks shown openness to entertaining President Emmanuel Macron’s plan, according to four sources with knowledge of Trump’s conversations with the French leader." - Funny how these "sources" never have names.

Just watch the video I posted and it explains just why something like this would even be remotely considered.
All truth passes through three stages:
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Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2019, 05:33:04 PM »
Did you skip the first paragraph  ???

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.
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Re: Iran: Trump's clusterfuck
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2019, 05:33:56 PM »
Did you skip the first paragraph  ???

President Donald Trump has left the impression with foreign officials, members of his administration, and others involved in Iranian negotiations that he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians if Tehran comes back into compliance with the Obama-era nuclear deal.

um yeah.  did you notice that word 'considering' and then read the rest of the article?  LOLOL   Pfffft I say again.
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