Carbon-copy...I tried to tell you

[IM2]

MSP,

I did my "fighting" in the late 60's and the early seventies.

So you quit.

The marches and sit-ins was the way I did it.  I doubt if you were there.

If your parents took you there, then you did not do anything, They did. what you have done is sit on your duff thinking things have ended. So because you did not have to sit on the back of buses anymore, you figured that everything was all fine and dandy. You see MSP, I don't know how old you are, but i am 49, and do remember sit in boycotts and protests.

My dad was not stupid enough to let us stand in front of any dogs or fire hoses because he knew my mother would sic the dogs on him if he did that, but we did our part.

What part did you do? Because the shit has not ended. The goal is to end this shit, not be satisfied that you stood in protests when you were a little kid, so now you can deny the truth like the white conservatives you spend time appeasing.

I actually lived through racism that you can only read and whine about.

Actually I have lived through some of the same racism you have. I have experienced continued instances and have seen continued instances of such during my life. When its gone, then one can say they did their job. Until that time neither you or I have done jack

Such racism you talk about is not just thing of the past that is gone now. You know it. Use what life you have left to  to rid this nation of it. Stop appeasing those who want to make you a slave again. Wake up.

[Pepsi]

the premise that Obama is a "carbon copy" of Bush is utterly ridiculous.

yes, there are some things Obama is too "Bush-like" for me.    But, generally, his policies are a fundamental change in direction.    Did Bush try to reform health care?   Did Bush try to do anything about carbon?   What was Bush's major policy initiative, tax cuts to the wealthy?

[makesenseplease]

the premise that Obama is a "carbon copy" of Bush is utterly ridiculous.

yes, there are some things Obama is too "Bush-like" for me.    But, generally, his policies are a fundamental change in direction.    Did Bush try to reform health care?   Did Bush try to do anything about carbon?   What was Bush's major policy initiative, tax cuts to the wealthy?

Pepsi, you seem to be good at making comparisons.

How about comparing the accomplishments of Bush to the accomplishments of Obama.  Not initiatives accomplishments.  Just for the first year of each one's presidency.

Surprise.

[makesenseplease]

MSP,

So you quit.

If your parents took you there, then you did not do anything, They did. what you have done is sit on your duff thinking things have ended. So because you did not have to sit on the back of buses anymore, you figured that everything was all fine and dandy. You see MSP, I don't know how old you are, but i am 49, and do remember sit in boycotts and protests.

What part did you do? Because the shit has not ended. The goal is to end this shit, not be satisfied that you stood in protests when you were a little kid, so now you can deny the truth like the white conservatives you spend time appeasing.

Actually I have lived through some of the same racism you have. I have experienced continued instances and have seen continued instances of such during my life. When its gone, then one can say they did their job. Until that time neither you or I have done jack

Such racism you talk about is not just thing of the past that is gone now. You know it. Use what life you have left to  to rid this nation of it. Stop appeasing those who want to make you a slave again. Wake up.

It's changed more than you know, IM2.   

Laws can be changed but there is absolutely no way in hell that a law can be written that will change the way one human views or thinks about another human being. 

One of the unwritten Jim Crow laws in South Carolina was called "reckless eyeballing".  That was a law which allowed blacks to be beaten or hanged for looking at a white woman with lust in his eyes.

You are living proof that "reckless eyeballing" can no longer be enforced anymore.

[ivanm]

It's changed more than you know, IM2.   

Laws can be changed but there is absolutely no way in hell that a law can be written that will change the way one human views or thinks about another human being. 

One of the unwritten Jim Crow laws in South Carolina was called "reckless eyeballing".  That was a law which allowed blacks to be beaten or hanged for looking at a white woman with lust in his eyes.

You are living proof that "reckless eyeballing" can no longer be enforced anymore.

Racism is where you find it and something tells me that IM2 goes looking for it.  Some people are simply obnoxious and their race has little to do with it. In IM's case he plays the race card when he cannot hit it off with others.
How can he sell insurance to anyone if he has a chip on his shoulder?

[MerryBlooms]

So you support a president that wants to levy punitive taxes on the many for the sake of the few, to favor the feeders at the expense of the hands that do the feeding?  Don't worry dear as Vel will take good care of you and the other useful idiots that fall for Obama's snake oil.  

Take a look at the news on TV and note the uproar and the demonstrating against Obama's healthcare proposal.
The takers outnumber the givers and the givers are the ones that are getting trashed.  There is such a thing as killing the geese that lay the golden eggs and right now is not a good time to be talking more taxes and government intrusion into the private sector.  Shop owners don't have to hire and the larger firms can get by with part time help that get no bennies like you socialists think you have a right to.

Sorry to disappoint so many so soon, but I don't watch M$M.  I prefer to read news (avoiding the bs spin from both sides), but do listen to a lot of C-span 1 & 2 for legislative information. 

Our system is a combination of capitalism/socialism, whether you choose to see it or not.  I notice you're quick to dog on those individuals you label 'feeders' and conveniently overlook the government subsidies to the 'egg layers'.  Corporate welfare is a plague on our system ... much more so than the tiny $600 checks to a small percentage of our fellow citizens.

[lucy]

I agree with you. One problem has been the accountability re government funding, imo....for one thing, military spending...

[IM2]

merryBlooms,

Thank you! I have long been saying this. So have others, but conservatvies don't seem  to understand that the government givng away billions to coporations are handouts, and that those handouts are the problem. Not the pittance given to poor folks.

ivanm,

Racism is where you find it and something tells me that IM2 goes looking for it.  Some people are simply obnoxious and their race has little to do with it. In IM's case he plays the race card when he cannot hit it off with others.
How can he sell insurance to anyone if he has a chip on his shoulder?

Again dumnb ass, I don't sell insurance. Secondly no one wants to read the old white racists opinion on where racism exists. YOU live, therefore it exists , because it exists in you. Don't have to go looking for it, all I need to do is go find Mr Matthews in Abilene and I am in it. NO ONE goes lookng for racism. That's another stupid over repeated statement made by racists like yourself. Why in the fuck would I go around looking for ways to get belittled and disrespected?

Why in the world would I want to go around spending every day mad? I mean, your rationale is so illogical that its apparent that you have mental issues associated with aging that you need to address immedialty.  

[IM2]

Msp,

It's changed more than you know, IM2.   

No, I know how much it has changed. It has not ended, and that’s the goal, that is the dream of Dr. King that your conservative friends repeat all the time. Until its over we cannot be satisfied. You are satisfied with a first down, the objective is to score touchdowns. In this case a touchdown is the end of white racism. The end of white racism will end any other form of racial animosity created by white racism.

Laws can be changed but there is absolutely no way in hell that a law can be written that will change the way one human views or thinks about another human being. 

That’s why the fight must continue, because until such views are erased, the potential of being taken back into slavery by the force of the same written law exists.  You see MSP, despite all the changes you say I don’t see, the reality is that the voting rights for blacks comes up for a vote every 20 years or so. This does not happen for whites.

One of the unwritten Jim Crow laws in South Carolina was called "reckless eyeballing".  That was a law which allowed blacks to be beaten or hanged for looking at a white woman with lust in his eyes.

Because I don’t live in South Carolina and have never, ever wanted to live in the south, and never will, this law never would have applied to me. Still every 20 years the blacks folks right to vote is up for vote. That has not changed MSP, what’s your excuse for this?

You are living proof that "reckless eyeballing" can no longer be enforced anymore.

I think that perhaps you need to go tell Walter McMillan that. Or in fact I had a friend who was killed about12 years ago, the killer has never been found. But 2-3 weeks before he was found dead, he was telling me how his girlfriends father did not like the fact their daughter was living with a black man.

Didn’t matter that he had a full time position at the university paying full benefits and a great salary.

Shortly after that he was found dead , his car unwrecked, and he was found in shallow water supposedly he drowned.

The goal is to end this shit MSP. That’s the only reasonable and proper outcome. Anything else is not acceptable. Its our duty for our kids and grandkids. If you cannot stand up to your responsibility, then don’t say shit to those of us who are.

[makesenseplease]

Sorry to disappoint so many so soon, but I don't watch M$M.  I prefer to read news (avoiding the bs spin from both sides), but do listen to a lot of C-span 1 & 2 for legislative information. 

Our system is a combination of capitalism/socialism, whether you choose to see it or not.  I notice you're quick to dog on those individuals you label 'feeders' and conveniently overlook the government subsidies to the 'egg layers'.  Corporate welfare is a plague on our system ... much more so than the tiny $600 checks to a small percentage of our fellow citizens.

No disappointment here.  Surprise perhaps.

I wonder what you would consider corporate welfare though.

[makesenseplease]

Msp,


No, I know how much it has changed. It has not ended, and that’s the goal, that is the dream of Dr. King that your conservative friends repeat all the time. Until its over we cannot be satisfied. You are satisfied with a first down, the objective is to score touchdowns. In this case a touchdown is the end of white racism. The end of white racism will end any other form of racial animosity created by white racism.

That’s why the fight must continue, because until such views are erased, the potential of being taken back into slavery by the force of the same written law exists.  You see MSP, despite all the changes you say I don’t see, the reality is that the voting rights for blacks comes up for a vote every 20 years or so. This does not happen for whites.

Because I don’t live in South Carolina and have never, ever wanted to live in the south, and never will, this law never would have applied to me. Still every 20 years the blacks folks right to vote is up for vote. That has not changed MSP, what’s your excuse for this?

I think that perhaps you need to go tell Walter McMillan that. Or in fact I had a friend who was killed about12 years ago, the killer has never been found. But 2-3 weeks before he was found dead, he was telling me how his girlfriends father did not like the fact their daughter was living with a black man.

Didn’t matter that he had a full time position at the university paying full benefits and a great salary.

Shortly after that he was found dead , his car unwrecked, and he was found in shallow water supposedly he drowned.

The goal is to end this shit MSP. That’s the only reasonable and proper outcome. Anything else is not acceptable. Its our duty for our kids and grandkids. If you cannot stand up to your responsibility, then don’t say shit to those of us who are.

IM2,

Which race do you is killing more blacks today?  We are killing ourselves and while crying racism.  You don't have to google that because you already know it.

Back to slavery?  No sane person of any color believes that will ever happen.  Who is feeding this to you?

The only way blacks will lose the right to vote is if all Americans lose the right to vote.  Don't get it twisted.

http://www.black-network.com/voting.htm

That song I posted by Funkadelic is still there, listen and heed.

[MerryBlooms]

No disappointment here.  Surprise perhaps.

I wonder what you would consider corporate welfare though.

From the not so, way-back machine and TIME (but unfortunately, still holds true today)

<snip>
[Politicians stumble over one another in the rush to arrange special deals for select corporations, fueling a growing economic war among the states. The result is that states keep throwing money at companies that in many cases are not serious about moving anyway. The companies are certainly not reluctant to take the money, though, which is available if they simply utter the word relocation. And why not? Corporate executives, after all, have a fiduciary duty to squeeze every dollar they can from every locality waving blandishments in their face.]

Full article -
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,989508,00.html

[lucy]

You will probably not like the source as it has some inflammatory stuff, but I googled about the government debt and found this...


hmmmm

"Begin Excerpt
 
Jerome R. Corsi of WorldNetDaily.com tells it straight: "As the Obama administration prepares to finance a 2010 budget deficit expected to top $1.5 trillion, the American public is largely unaware that the true negative net worth of the federal government reached $70.7 trillion last year. That's more than $70,000,000,000,000. The figure is five times last year's U.S. GDP and exceeds the world GDP by about $10 trillion. 'The future of this course is hyperinflation,' said John Williams, editor of the electronic newsletter Shadow Government Statistics. Williams argues the total U.S. obligations, including Social Security and Medicare benefits to be paid in the future, have effectively placed the U.S. government in bankruptcy. He comes to that conclusion even without taking into consideration any future and continuing social welfare obligations embedded in the Obama administration's planned massive overhaul of health care insurance." Keep in mind, however, that they will give us war before it reaches that point. That is their only way to escape direct blame for insolvency--have the debt wiped away with nuclear war.
 
CHINA SPENDING THEIR DOLLARS AWAY
 
Nations holding large blocks of dollar denominated debt instruments all realize they can't dump those dollars on the markets without undermining the rest of their reserves. So, as Megan Carpenter points out, China is moving from US Treasuries to direct foreign investment. "L.A. Times writer Don Lee found that China was investing the money [US dollars] in private companies throughout the world. China poured $43.3 billion into foreign direct investments in 2009 and, according to U.S. Treasury figures, it actually shed $45.1 billion in U.S. Treasuries in the last half of 2009. Not that China's private investments were primarily American: Experts estimate that, while China bought stock in everything from a theater in Branson, Mo., to Coca-Cola, its total direct investments in the U.S. in 2009 ranged between $3.9 and 6.4 billion. That amounts to a total of about 3 percent of all the foreign direct investment in the United States in 2009."......................

link  http://www.rense.com/general90/amrch.htm
 

[makesenseplease]

From the not so, way-back machine and TIME (but unfortunately, still holds true today)

<snip>
[Politicians stumble over one another in the rush to arrange special deals for select corporations, fueling a growing economic war among the states. The result is that states keep throwing money at companies that in many cases are not serious about moving anyway. The companies are certainly not reluctant to take the money, though, which is available if they simply utter the word relocation. And why not? Corporate executives, after all, have a fiduciary duty to squeeze every dollar they can from every locality waving blandishments in their face.]

Full article -
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,989508,00.html

Good find, Merry.  True in every sense.

Let's go one step further with it though.

What do you think of the supreme court decision regarding corporations and political donations.  I see nothing wrong with it.

On the other hand, there was a suggestion on this board about requiring our politicians to wear NASCAR type suits emblazoned with their political donars names as they tour the country campaigning.  I think that ws an excellent suggestion.

What do you think?

BTW--welcome aboard.

[lucy]

A publication which might be worthy of a look....GOVERNMENT DRIVEN INVESTING...