Who has been responsible for more American deaths?

[Velleity]

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[lucy]

I would add Big Pharma to the list...uneccessary prescription drugs and defective pharmaceuticals, etc...

My main problem with insurance/drug companies is that that they seem to squash any real health initiative that seems to be CURING a disease rather than putting a band=aid sort of prolonged pharmaceutical effect to mask or help with symptoms only....

[dagon]

I would add Big Pharma to the list...uneccessary prescription drugs and defective pharmaceuticals, etc...

My main problem with insurance/drug companies is that that they seem to squash any real health initiative that seems to be CURING a disease rather than putting a band=aid sort of prolonged pharmaceutical effect to mask or help with symptoms only....

i don't think that are all simply monsters however lucy.  the pharmaceutical companies have developed some really beneficial drugs but without a culture of moderating their profit motive, you get what we have now.

there is definitely some truth to that chris rock skit on big pharma.  "the money's not in the cure,  the money's in the comeback".   

peace

[lucy]

like 14K a hit shots of nupron which only mask the testosterone for a while and does nothing to nip the cancer in the bud/

My eyes have been opened.

[johnhp]

Yes.  Treating symptoms when you cannot treat the disease is a tragedy.  It is unfortunate, but that is the state of research.  Why curse the darkness?


As Dag wrote, if we had a culture of expenditure on genuine human need rather than boutique medicines, this would not be an issue.

Now, who is standing between research in the public interest and a newed dick drug?  People opposing healthcare reform.  If you want all of this crap in private hands, you can't be shocked when those hands give you the finger.

[nraforlife]

......................  If you want all of this crap in private hands, you can't be shocked when those hands give you the finger.

Sure thing what we reaaallllyyy need is the quality control, innovation, respect for the Customer and honesty of say The USPS, NASA, Congress and the local DMV

[johnhp]

Sure thing what we reaaallllyyy need is the quality control, innovation, respect for the Customer and honesty of say The USPS, NASA, Congress and the local DMV

Give me a call when you can drive from the East to the West coast on private roads.

[lucy]

Those "private" hands are getting oodles of "public" funds for research, so your point is rather moot,imo. If the government wanted to find a real cure for many diseases they are paying researchers to "find," we would be looking at every possible cure instead of shutting out natural cures for the sake of pharmaceutical/chemical cures...after all, "sickness" means money, while  being well doesn't/

[johnhp]

Those "private" hands are getting oodles of "public" funds for research, so your point is rather moot,imo.

Please cite specific instances rather than making blanket claims.

Beyond this there is a difference between giving money to corporations and having these last beholden to the public interest.

If the government wanted to find a real cure for many diseases they are paying researchers to "find," we would be looking at every possible cure instead of shutting out natural cures for the sake of pharmaceutical/chemical cures...after all, "sickness" means money, while  being well doesn't/

Look, aspirin is a naturally occurring drug, kind of.  It is based on medicines derived from the willow tree and other plants with similar chemicals.  now, if i want to cure a headache and i going to chew the bark of a willow?  No, that is ridiculous.  A researcher has taken the chemicals that naturally occur and separated them from their natural state and distilled them into pharmaceuticals.  There is nothing terrible about this.  it is called science.  On the other hand naturopathy wants us largely to stick to bark chewing.

[lucy]

There are so many....I don't think I need to cite each and every one...I am not your google-master/:D

Many drugs are derived from natural sources, but sometimes there are natural cures as well without the toxic and harmful side effects of "manufactured" drugs that should at least be considered without rancor or having the FDA shut the possible benefits of these down from seeing the light of day...

The research is available. And I have posted a few links you might peruse in other posts.

Enjoy/

[johnhp]

There are so many....I don't think I need to cite each and every one...I am not your google-master/:D

Nice Observer move.  You are making the accusation, you should back it up.

Many drugs are derived from natural sources, but sometimes there are natural cures as well without the toxic and harmful side effects of "manufactured" drugs that should at least be considered

List them.

[lucy]

Here is a good start re drugs that are being investigated....

"

The FDA website recently published names of potentially dangerous drugs under review. Among these potentially dangerous prescription medicine side effects are bleeding caused by a diet drug, suicidal ideationfrom an antipsychotic prescription medicine, and possible birth defects from popular antidepressant drugs.

Drugs on this updated investigation list include: antidepressants Prozac, Zoloft, Lexapro, and Celexa; schizophrenia drug Abilify; and diet drug Xenical.

After issuing warnings about these antidepressants' side effect of suicidal behavior, FDA officials are finally investigated SSRI and SNRI antidepressants for potential congenital disorder (birth defects) side effects. The form of these suspected antidepressant-caused birth defects was not disclosed, but both Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI), such as Prozac and Zoloft and other popular antidepressants, and Selective Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors (SNRI) antidepressants, such as Viloxazine (Vivalan) and Maprotiline (Ludiomil), are under evaluation. Both Atomoxetine (Attentin, Strattera), an ADHD medication with off-label uses as a antidepressant and the smoking cessation drug Bupropion (Wellbutrin), which also is prescribed as an antidepressant, are on this list.
(For more on antidepressants' negative affects on prenatal infants, check out Tennessee's Law Blog's coverage back in 2006 on this very issue in Does Paxil Put Unborn Babies at Risk?)

Additionally, Abilify, a prescription drug schizophrenia approved by the FDA in 2002 and one of pharmaceutical giant Bristol-Meyes Squibb’s fastest growing products, is being evaluated for possible the side effect of hepatotoxicity (drug-based liver damage). Xenical, an anti-obesity drug approved by the FDA in 1999, which may cause rectal bleeding.

All of these prescription drugs are presently on market. Being under investigation does not necessary indicate harmful side effects. These drugs have only been identified as having, in the words of the FDA, “a potential safety issue.” If FDA drug officials’ investigations determine these prescription medication pose severe side effect risks, label changes or development with the pharmaceutical company of a Risk Evaluation and Mitigation Strategy (REMS) may be initiated.

This dangerous prescription drugs list update was posted as part of the 2007 mandate from Congress that the FDA publish quarterly those dangerous prescription and OTC drugs whose potentially harmful side effects are under review. Click to open the full FDA potentially dangerous drugs list.

Residents of Tennessee, Kentucky, and Georgia who believe they or a loved one have been injured by a FDA investigated prescription drug should contact our Nashville law offices online to speak with ourdefective drug injury team or give us a call at 800-705-2121. As always, initial personal injury consultations are offered free of charge and in many cases, we only collect attorney’s fees after you’ve been compensated for your injury and future losses."

link  http://www.tennesseelawblog.com/2009/02/fdas_suspected_harmful_prescri.html

I'll get back on the trail re drug companies receiving federal grants/funds for research....

<don't know why you are still so plugged into this observer thing...he is gone--enough already...>

[johnhp]

Lucy

i was asking you to name the natural cures.

[lucy]

Okay, I can get back to you....

bye for now/

[lucy]

This is a list with the money given for cancer research alone...link given...

# Cancer Biology Research, $1,137,678,000 total funding
# Cancer Cause and Prevention Research, $1,324,610,000 total funding
# Cancer Centers Support Grants, $398,534,000 total funding
# Cancer Construction, $3,000,000 total funding
# Cancer Control, $224,468,000 total funding
# Cancer Detection and Diagnosis Research, $427,400,000 total funding
# Cancer Research Manpower, $174,431,000 total funding
# Cancer Treatment Research, $1,127,636,000 total funding

link  http://funding-programs.idilogic.aidpage.com/funding-programs/

<this is for 2005 only....so, the totals for let's say the past 10 years of research would be substantially higher>

Note, this is for CANCER-RELATED RESEARCH only...the site link lists most of the types of funding that has been given and in many cases continues...really amazing.