How Pitiful Can Israel Get??

[Velleity]

Holly's problem is that she cannot make the case.  She begins with a falsehood and instead of admitting she had erred gets defensive.

Holly's problem is that she harbors an irrational hatred towards Jews and Israel and she cannot understand why anyone else would not share her irrational hatred.

[Velleity]

Please show me where in the law being proposed it differentiates between "group" expression and "individual" expression. Maybe I didn't see this.

If you ran a small state where a group of people had a history of things like suicide terrorism and shooting rockets at your people wouldn't you attempt to enact legislation that would minimize the efforts of those who would engage in these activities?

Free speech is not an absolute. You're not free to incite someone to violence or to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

I'm not defending this particular legislation but I would defend the right of Israel, as a sovereign nation, to debate the efficacy of it. In the meantime I still see little evidence of the mistreatment or oppression of Arab Israeli citizens.

Holly's hype and disinformation isn't evidence.

[johnhp]

Holly's problem is that she harbors an irrational hatred towards Jews and Israel and she cannot understand why anyone else would not share her irrational hatred.

Holly's main problem is antisemitism, no doubt.

[Hollybaere]

Holly's problem is that she harbors an irrational hatred towards Jews and Israel and she cannot understand why anyone else would not share her irrational hatred.

This statement is incorrect!

You have shown no proof whatsoever to back up this claim. So, cram it!

All I have done is point out the irrationality and the crimes of the Israeli government on Palestinian people, it's Arab neighbors and other people around the world.

Israel was basically formed on the sorrow over the holocaust, yet it has the audacity to make and try to pass laws forbidding the commemoration of the loss of the Palestinian's homeland.

Whether this law is passed or not, the Israeli government not only came up with it, they keep trying to bring it up for passage. That is what is so pitiful.

[Hollybaere]

If you ran a small state where a group of people had a history of things like suicide terrorism and shooting rockets at your people wouldn't you attempt to enact legislation that would minimize the efforts of those who would engage in these activities?

This is not legislation to prevent violence, this is a legislation to prevent Israel from having to deal with the sadness of the Palestinian people over  the loss of their homeland.

Free speech is not an absolute. You're not free to incite someone to violence or to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

I'm not defending this particular legislation but I would defend the right of Israel, as a sovereign nation, to debate the efficacy of it. In the meantime I still see little evidence of the mistreatment or oppression of Arab Israeli citizens.

I also would defend the right of Israel to be a sovereign nation, but in turn, I also would defend the right of Palestine, as a sovereign nation with defined borders.[/quote]

Holly's hype and disinformation isn't evidence.

This statement is also FALSE! I do not post hype and disinformation. I back up everything I post.

All you and john do is squeel that I am wrong, yet you post nothing to back up your claims, other than you don't like the content of what I post. You both go on and on, to distract from the subject, so members will get tired reading all your crap and give up.

As long as people like you are around, I won't give up.

[Velleity]

This is not legislation to prevent violence,

That isn't up to you to decide. You have no say whatsoever in it.

As long as people like you are around, I won't give up.

Give up doing what? Being recognized as a hateful witch and a miskite? What is it exactly that you think you're doing?

Am I supposed to care?

[ivanm]

That isn't up to you to decide. You have no say whatsoever in it.

Give up doing what? Being recognized as a hateful witch and a miskite? What is it exactly that you think you're doing?

Am I supposed to care?

Maybe US citizens do have a voice in Israel's behavior. See my post about Biden slamming Israel's housing plans.

Someday you may wish we did have a say in Israel's security if Iran drops and egg on her. I hope we stay out of it, assuming the attack by Iran was provoked by Israel.

[IM2]

In 1947, the United Nations General Assembly proposed partitioning The British Mandate of Palestine into two states, Jewish and Arab.

We always seem to miss the originators of the problem and argue incessently about the reult.

Secondly while palestinians have hoisted bombs at isreal, let's not forget that isreal had occupuied Lebanon for about 7 years. Ariel Sharon massacred palestinans, so did Netanyahu, and that Isreal was expanding settlements and denying right to palestinans as a matter of policy also.

Don't get me wrong, I do support the right for Isreal to exist, unlike some here, but I do also respect that if you did not live in a land before, people should not be forced out of their homes to satisfy british and american desire to control oil.

[ivanm]

We always seem to miss the originators of the problem and argue incessently about the reult.

Secondly while palestinians have hoisted bombs at isreal, let's not forget that isreal had occupuied Lebanon for about 7 years. Ariel Sharon massacred palestinans, so did Netanyahu, and that Isreal was expanding settlements and denying right to palestinans as a matter of policy also.

Don't get me wrong, I do support the right for Isreal to exist, unlike some here, but I do also respect that if you did not live in a land before, people should not be forced out of their homes to satisfy british and american desire to control oil.

I wasn't aware that there was much oil in that area, maybe to the south in Egypt.  Give it time, when Israel needs more land they will just take it.  After all they are the "chosen few" aren't they?  Sacred cows make the rules as they go and anything goes as long as it suits their agenda. Our support of Israeli aggresson makes us to be the biggest hypocrits on the planet.

The initial partition of the area really stunk and the Pals haven't forgotten the shaft they were handed. They are human beings so what more can we expect.

[johnhp]

I wasn't aware that there was much oil in that area, maybe to the south in Egypt.

i do not think that IM was saying there was oil in the area.  i think that the US and Britain viewed Israel as a possible base of operations.

[Velleity]

i do not think that IM was saying there was oil in the area.  i think that the US and Britain viewed Israel as a possible base of operations.

The relationship is more than that.

Are you aware of the story where Jordan kicked out the "Palestinians" and Syria sent a column of tanks to Jordan to retaliate? Kissinger called Golda Meier and asked her if she would please help. She said sure, and sent some planes. The Syrian tank column turned back and Kissinger said thank you, and in the future we will remember this.

Back in the day it was said that the Israelis could wipe out the Soviet presence in the Middle East in about 20 minutes.

Further, who do you think tested all of our hardware and strategies against Soviet armament? A lot of information goes back and forth. I have heard too that the various Arab governments who have big problems with radical Islam and Iran are closer to the Israelis than you might think.

It can come in handy to have an Israel to do something like blowing up an Iraqi reactor and then take all the "blame" for doing it.

[ivanm]

The relationship is more than that.

Are you aware of the story where Jordan kicked out the "Palestinians" and Syria sent a column of tanks to Jordan to retaliate? Kissinger called Golda Meier and asked her if she would please help. She said sure, and sent some planes. The Syrian tank column turned back and Kissinger said thank you, and in the future we will remember this.

Back in the day it was said that the Israelis could wipe out the Soviet presence in the Middle East in about 20 minutes.

Further, who do you think tested all of our hardware and strategies against Soviet armament? A lot of information goes back and forth. I have heard too that the various Arab governments who have big problems with radical Islam and Iran are closer to the Israelis than you might think.

It can come in handy to have an Israel to do something like blowing up an Iraqi reactor and then take all the "blame" for doing it.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.  Who has been the aggressor state in recent years, not Iraq and not Iran?

[johnhp]

i think it is very similar to the client state status that we had with Iran, after 53, and Chile with Pinochet.

[Hollybaere]

Give up doing what? Being recognized as a hateful witch and a miskite? What is it exactly that you think you're doing?

Am I supposed to care?

Isn't it convenient for you to disregard this statement I made: "I also would defend the right of Israel to be a sovereign nation, but in turn, I also would defend the right of Palestine, as a sovereign nation with defined borders."

Is it because it disproves your degrading of my character and your ignoring my actual intent to show the crimes the government of Israel is guilty of?

[ivanm]

Isn't it convenient for you to disregard this statement I made: "I also would defend the right of Israel to be a sovereign nation, but in turn, I also would defend the right of Palestine, as a sovereign nation with defined borders."

Is it because it disproves your degrading of my character and your ignoring my actual intent to show the crimes the government of Israel is guilty of?

I think that pathetic would be a better word than pitiful, even pathological might fit better.