How Pitiful Can Israel Get??

[ivanm]

Lucy

Who said wait to oppose it?  Read my first post: i stated that it should be opposed at the legal (that is to say parliamentary) level.

The reason for my first post was to clarify the FALSE information Holly was promoting, not to support the law.

i am glad i could clear up your mistaken impression.

I am sure she and Holly will be eternally grateful for your condescending opinion.

[nraforlife]

I truly believe that much of the bad things we hear about Arabs in Arab countries is pumped up propaganda, used to make Arab people look like barabrians.

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My personal experience is that both Israeli's and moslems are decidedly unpleasant people best avoided if at all possible. Certainly neither group should be allowed to enter the USA on anything but a short term visa.

[Velleity]

My personal experience is that both Israeli's and moslems are decidedly unpleasant people best avoided if at all possible. Certainly neither group should be allowed to enter the USA on anything but a short term visa.

Yeah, but you never get along with anyone, so. . .

[Velleity]

I truly believe that much of the bad things we hear about Arabs in Arab countries is pumped up propaganda, used to make Arab people look like barabrians.

You believe a lot mishugash, miskite.

[lucy]

We are very much allied with some ME countries other than Israel. We support SA, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, now Iraq big-time, Kuwait, the Emirates, Dubai, etc..etc...we now have a falling out apparently with Turkey in part because of the Armenian Resolution...why that is a biggie, I am not sure...

Anyway, just a thought. Iran is a dicey situation, to be sure. BUT, imo, war is not a viable option.

[johnhp]

I am sure she and Holly will be eternally grateful for your condescending opinion.

Holly, like you, can not admit when she is wrong.  She began this fear-mongering thread with a post that a law had been passed.  Not just showing complete ignorance of legislative procedure, but also the history of proposing the law itself (which has ultimately been defeated by the Knesset.

The last thing Holly, or you, seem to appreciate are facts.  You consider actually knowing something about an issue condescension. 

[johnhp]

You believe a lot mishugash, miskite.

What Holly cannot understand is that societies are made up of differing constituencies that often are at conflict with their government.  This is the case in Israel as it is for Arab countries.  What we all need to do is to quit assuming that the heads of Arab states speak for its citizenry.  The Saud regime speaks no more for its subjects than Mr. Obama speaks for me on the issue of single payer healthcare.

[Hollybaere]

What Holly cannot understand is that societies are made up of differing constituencies that often are at conflict with their government.  This is the case in Israel as it is for Arab countries.  What we all need to do is to quit assuming that the heads of Arab states speak for its citizenry.  The Saud regime speaks no more for its subjects than Mr. Obama speaks for me on the issue of single payer healthcare.

No, what you and Velliety can't understand is why the Israeli government would come up with a law like this in the first place. Passed or not passed, it simply gives a good idea just what the demeanor of Israel is toward Arab people.

We have a never ending barrage of movies, documentaries, and such, about the holocaust. We have holocaust museums popping up all around the world. We have German's paying out never ending reparations for the supposed actions of their ancestors to Israel for the holocaust. We have laws in Europe that will land you in prison for even questioning the events of the holocaust.

And when I have the nerve to bring up Israel's audacity to even consider a law preventing Palestinian's the right to morn over the loss of their homeland, I am the one who is wrong?? You guys are just simply twisted in your humanitarian morals here.

And just because, right now it is the norm for governments to speak for themselves, rather than the people who voted them into office, doesn't mean it is right, or will continue. Many many people around the world are waking up to what is going on and are well aware of who is pulling the strings. BIG changes are coming. Are you ready??

[johnhp]

No, what you and Velliety can't understand is why the Israeli government would come up with a law like this in the first place. Passed or not passed, it simply gives a good idea just what the demeanor of Israel is toward Arab people.

Are you just stupid?

Which of us, you or i, knew the actual status of the law?  That would be me; you thought the law was in effect.

Which of us, you or i, knew the Knesset has considered and rejected this law several times before?  That would be me.

Since both of us, you and i, oppose making this a law, which of us is in a more informed position to speak against it?

[Velleity]

it simply gives a good idea just what the demeanor of Israel is toward Arab people.

Yeah. It's called "being at war with." Why? Maybe because there has been five wars which Israel won, yet only peace with Egypt and Jordan? Maybe it's because the bulk of the Arab world still officially seeks the destruction of Israel?

Maybe it's your anti-Semitic demeanor that needs a little adjustment?

[ivanm]

My personal experience is that both Israeli's and moslems are decidedly unpleasant people best avoided if at all possible. Certainly neither group should be allowed to enter the USA on anything but a short term visa.

Both seem to be very nationalistic or xenophobic.  For them it is all or nothing. I guess their religious doctrine specifies that outlook on those who are not of their own faith. 

I agree, they need to stay where they belong and we need to stop sending them so much aid. If they cannot get along with each other then they need to pay the consequences. Only then will they come to realize that there are limits to their behavior.

[ivanm]

We are very much allied with some ME countries other than Israel. We support SA, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, now Iraq big-time, Kuwait, the Emirates, Dubai, etc..etc...we now have a falling out apparently with Turkey in part because of the Armenian Resolution...why that is a biggie, I am not sure...

Anyway, just a thought. Iran is a dicey situation, to be sure. BUT, imo, war is not a viable option.

But do we finance their state sanctioned aggression against neighboring countries like we do Israel?

As to Iran, I read somewhere that it is a matter of time before we go to war with her.  How sad.

[ivanm]

Holly, like you, can not admit when she is wrong.  She began this fear-mongering thread with a post that a law had been passed.  Not just showing complete ignorance of legislative procedure, but also the history of proposing the law itself (which has ultimately been defeated by the Knesset.

The last thing Holly, or you, seem to appreciate are facts.  You consider actually knowing something about an issue condescension. 

Hey donkey, it is the thought or rationale that is at issue.  Forget the small shit about whether or not the law was actually passed. You just cannot get over dealing in minutiae can you? As I said before, a law in this case would merely whitewash the intent behind it.  If that would ease your concsience then there is a fox hole waiting for you in Tel Aviv.

[Hollybaere]

Yeah. It's called "being at war with." Why? Maybe because there has been five wars which Israel won, yet only peace with Egypt and Jordan? Maybe it's because the bulk of the Arab world still officially seeks the destruction of Israel?

Maybe it's your anti-Semitic demeanor that needs a little adjustment?

Oh yea....instigating wars to land-grab. That's right! It was easy to "win" wars when your neighbors had nothing to fight back with. But, not any more. That's why they got their asses kicked by Lebanon and Hezbollah last time.

The bulk of Arab nations do not want to destroy Israel. That's another propaganda tale told to create sympathy for a state that was founded by terrorists and terrorises it's Arab neighbors on a daily basis to this very day. And when they caught with their  hand in the cookie jar, they squeel and point to the Arab nations as the perpatrator. Everyone in the world is wise to Israel, except of course the US lap-dog, who not only licks Israel's butt, but follows it around where ever it wants to go.

Like I said....BIG changes are coming............Are you ready??

[johnhp]

Hey donkey, it is the thought or rationale that is at issue.  Forget the small shit about whether or not the law was actually passed.

The premise of the post was that the law was passed.

You just cannot get over dealing in minutiae can you?

Facts are not minutiae.  How can you possible have a rational discussion without the facts?