Healtch Care Bill - Up or Down Vote?

[Pepsi]

Let's get this thing passed or not but lets have an vote for crying out loud in my opinion.

[lucy]

Needs to be trimmed down so that it can be read and understood before voting....cut about 1500 pages of the thing/

[johnhp]

It is odd that people complain about its length and how that is unreadable and yet complain about the contents as well.

[JC]

What is the average number of pages for a piece of legislation anyways?

[johnhp]

JC good point.  i would say enough to get the job done and grease a few palms.

And let me say there is nothing wrong with greasing a few palms.  i have a former student who teaches in the far western suburbs.  it snowed a few weeks ago.  She called me, because we speak frequently, and that was one of our topics, why it took so long for her town to clean the roads.  No graft.

[Pepsi]

I don't agree with these talking points that it is too long or too short (they have expressed both).   It is a complex undertaking with many facets, provisions and if its not defined in the bill what shall we do - guess??

[Velleity]

It is odd that people complain about its length and how that is unreadable and yet complain about the contents as well.

It's a load of crap. These people have nice budgets for a nice staff that can break these bills down for them quickly with analysis and brief them on it.

As Weiner said, there's not a single Republican who isn't bought by the health care industry. The health care industry has 8 lobbyists for every member of Congress. Anyone who thinks this doesn't matter is out of their mind.

[johnhp]

It's a load of crap. These people have nice budgets for a nice staff that can break these bills down for them quickly with analysis and brief them on it.

As Weiner said, there's not a single Republican who isn't bought by the health care industry. The health care industry has 8 lobbyists for every member of Congress. Anyone who thinks this doesn't matter is out of their mind.

Exactly.  These people are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

[Velleity]

Exactly.  These people are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

We say it over and over. They put their political and ideological ambitions before any idea that they're going solve any problems.

I hope WE, THE PEOPLE are smart enough to send Republicans another message in November.

[johnhp]

It looks like even if it goes to reconciliation the republicans are going to try to bog everything down in procedure. i think that is a poor tactic on their part.

[lucy]

If the bill was not so controlling over people's businesses, taxes, etc., it would have helped. Also, there is some concern about the availability of procedures in some cases, as well as the possibility of people being "chipped" with their vital health information, etc...too many issues--too large a bill and no, it is not good enough to have one's aides read bills for you before you vote. How do you know the aides are getting their facts straight, etc....

This is so critically important an issue...not something that should be misrepresented or misunderstood.

[Pepsi]

If the bill was not so controlling over people's businesses, taxes, etc.,

If people don't have health insurance, then they don't get check ups, they don't get normal doctor visits.  They get injured and sick and they end up in the emergency room.   And that kind of care is a lot more expensive.   And guess who pays for that kind of care for those who have no insurance?  Me, everyone who pays taxes.    In short people who have no insurance are a burden to the rest of us.

So you don't think people should have to buy health insurance if they don't want to?   Do you think it's ok that the rest of us have to pay extra to subsidize the fact that they don't have insurance?   Who should pay for those people's care?   

Or should they just be rejected for care and left to suffer and die in agony?

[Pepsi]

It's the most ridiculous situation imaginable.   Single payer, everyone covered, the largest risk pool imaginable, one bureaucracy, the same standards for all, infinitely more efficient than what we have now, freeing up business to get out of the health care business for the workforce.    Argh

[lucy]

Are check-ups mandatory in the healthcare bill?

[lucy]

Is health-care available for illegal aliens?