Was Timothy McVeigh Just Ahead of His Time?

[Velleity]

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Wouldn't he have just been the ultimate teabagger?

[JC]

Wouldn't he have just been the ultimate teabagger?

Oy (Mc)Veigh.....

[ivanm]

There are reasons why the teabaggers are not happy with the status quo.  Have you ever thought of that? Some of those reasons are non-partisan.

[lucy]

We still don't have all the information about Oklahoma City or who McVeigh really was, ultimately...certainly, not a fiscal conservative. That issue is the heart of the tea-bag movement.

[ivanm]

We still don't have all the information about Oklahoma City or who McVeigh really was, ultimately...certainly, not a fiscal conservative. That issue is the heart of the tea-bag movement.

I wonder, did he ever reveal his motives for the bombing?  Was there a book written about it?  It appeared to me that he had a beef with the agencies like the FBI and the BATF for their strong armed tactics at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

[Velleity]

We still don't have all the information about Oklahoma City or who McVeigh really was, ultimately...certainly, not a fiscal conservative. That issue is the heart of the tea-bag movement.

Most are harmless whiners, but there is a darker element that is drawn to this activity.

[lucy]

There is a dark element that is the reason this group exists. It exists because there are those who don't want America to be degraded and bankrupted. The group fights those who have an agenda perhaps to do so and all the while steal the national treasury behind the scenes.  Namely, Americans are being robbed.

oh, and this seems to be a "bi-partisan" effort, so one cannot blame democrats or republicans, really.

[lucy]

ps

Some have suggested that Tim McVeigh was "set up." I have never really been interested in this particular theory, but the whole OKC saga is an interesting read if you research the voices that were writing at the time. There are some unknown and key players, from what I remember.

[IM2]

McVeigh was not set up. There is a documented history. He was in the military, they have records.

There is a dark element that is the reason this group exists. It exists because there are those who don't want America to be degraded and bankrupted. The group fights those who have an agenda perhaps to do so and all the while steal the national treasury behind the scenes.  Namely, Americans are being robbed.

oh, and this seems to be a "bi-partisan" effort, so one cannot blame democrats or republicans, really.

These are the very people who bankrupt and degrade america Lucy. The dark element is them wanting to continue doing it.

None of what they say has much truth to it.

Scared of the debt but want to continue doing what caused it.

Scared of spending but don't mind spending endless dollars for wars.

Want to speak english only in a world economy.

Scared of Globalism when globalism has always existed.

All the bad is because of jews.

Yep, we know what this element is all about Lucy.  And sure, its bi partisan but not in any equal quantity. The reality is that the problem is more pronounced in the republican party. Haven't read many democrats sounding like NRA. Or ivanm, or most of what you probably saw at headbutters, and definetly at NOPC.


ivanm,

There are reasons why the teabaggers are not happy with the status quo.  Have you ever thought of that? Some of those reasons are non-partisan.

Most of them voted for Bush twice. Therefore they really have no reason to be angry.

[lucy]

Many of those who are in the libertarian and independent part of the original "tea-bag" movement are not Bush supporters, and many are critical of policies from the Clinton days as well.

We forget about the middle-class blacks, asians, hispanics, whites, AND jews, etc/ who are also part of the dwindling middle-class in America, and the poverty-sticken are just as stuck at this point in this downward spiral, imo.

Sad.

Stop being so partisan yourself, for one thing, IM. You are always the first one to say it's all Bush's fault. Which Bush, may I ask?

That is a start.

[johnhp]

Many of those who are in the libertarian and independent part of the original "tea-bag" movement are not Bush supporters, and many are critical of policies from the Clinton days as well.

We forget about the middle-class blacks, asians, hispanics, whites, AND jews, etc/ who are also part of the dwindling middle-class in America, and the poverty-sticken are just as stuck at this point in this downward spiral, imo.

Sad.

Stop being so partisan yourself, for one thing, IM. You are always the first one to say it's all Bush's fault. Which Bush, may I ask?

That is a start.

What the baggers are against are the policies that create and sustain a strong middle class.    This involved strong government spending, massive education spending, a unionized industrial workforce etc.  Would the baggers support a massive government spending campaign for loans and grants for Americans on post secondary education that would send millions of students to community colleges and universities?  This would reverse the trend of adjuncting the teaching force, increase employment at universities and the surrounding support businesses.  And it is a major investment in America's working class.  Education spending is one of the key components of governmental programs that aided in building America's middle class after the second world war.

Could baggers get on that train?

[nraforlife]

.................. Would the baggers support a massive government spending campaign for loans and grants for Americans on post secondary education that would send millions of students to community colleges and universities?  ......................................

Probably not as we already have twice  as many people attending 'university' as are capable of absorbing a truly rigorous post high school education.

[IM2]

Lucy,

Many of those who are in the libertarian and independent part of the original "tea-bag" movement are not Bush supporters, and many are critical of policies from the Clinton days as well.

The Clinton policies creared jobs and economic growth. The Clinton policies created projected surpluses for right now and the end of deficits. If we had elected AL Gore instead of falling for propaganda conservatives pushed from 1994 until 2000, we would have been better of now than we are. Instead we went dumb, fell for a proven lie, and now we are here. Seems like you forgot these little pieces of fact Lucy. Besides what is this so called tea bag movenent really based upon? Wwhy are so many whites dissatisfied with the federal goverment Lucy. Whites still are the major benefactors of all governent largesse in every mannner. So why the dissatisfaction?

You do not reduce the size of a business when your customer base increases. The government cannot be reduced when the population of this country continues to grow Lucy. The argument you guys wage in this regard is dumb. Plain and simple.

We forget about the middle-class blacks, asians, hispanics, whites, AND jews, etc/ who are also part of the dwindling middle-class in America, and the poverty-sticken are just as stuck at this point in this downward spiral, imo.

The middle class is shrinking because the rich want more and you guys want to give it to them. The grestes shift of wealth redistribution occured durg the reagan years and he created a increase itihe gap betwenet hose who ahve and those who don't. tht is not theincrease you want. Yet you guys want go back to those very same polices. Its retarded when yo considerer th truth of whatg was casued.

A 180 plus percent increase in the debt. No one comes even close to this record. It is why people began suffering in the 1990s', but you guys went on the blame everything on the poor and miinorities campaign using raice baiting to gain a majority in both houses.

top being so partisan yourself, for one thing, IM. You are always the first one to say it's all Bush's fault. Which Bush, may I ask?

I'm not being partisan, I am speaking truth, You don't want to accept that republican polices have caused this. Look back at he record debt Reagan created and thats the start of it. The we had further debt increases during the first Bush, smaller during Clinton, and more large debt increases during Bush 2. What does that tell you lady?

For over 70 years this nation was protected from a second grreat depression by a law called Glass -Steagal. About 8 years after Glass- Steagall was repealed by republican majority and by a law sponsored, and created by 3 republicans, we faced a economic crisis that was very close to the second great depression. You will say Clinton signed the bIll so demcrats are jst as much at fault, but republicans wer  going to ovveride any presidential veto intis instace, because they had the votes to do it, therefore Clinton had no real power.
 
Anything to not look at the truth of what her dear repulbican party has done.

Sure in the history of this nation democrats have messed up. But we are talking right now, and the reason we are here right now is because of republican policy. Republicans went out there bragging about leadership. They talked all this shit about ending liberalism, well they got their chance. With such leadership comes responsiblity and one of those is taking responsiblity for what you fucked up. Time for you to do ths Lucy.

[johnhp]

Probably not as we already have twice  as many people attending 'university' as are capable of absorbing a truly rigorous post high school education.

You are really ridiculous.

[Velleity]

There is a dark element that is the reason this group exists. It exists because there are those who don't want America to be degraded and bankrupted.

The small number of teabaggers are Republicans. The are overwhelmingly white, and it's rather curious that it was Barack Obama's election that brought them out to this particular protest.

I don't believe what you're saying here. I don't believe it for a second.