Was Timothy McVeigh Just Ahead of His Time?

[nraforlife]

Lucy,

The Clinton policies creared jobs and economic growth. ...........................

nah the Repubs keeping him from actually doing anything other than getting his cigar monicaed were what kept the economy stable & growing. Gridlock in DC is Good for Bidness.

[ivanm]

Probably not as we already have twice  as many people attending 'university' as are capable of absorbing a truly rigorous post high school education.

There is another downside to sending a bunch of people to college.  Where will they work when they finish school?  So much of the cirriculum in the little colleges is more like masturbation than a real working education, unless they are pursuing a technical course of study like medical services or some other useful trade.

We are already overburdened with talkers.  We need more doers, people with creative minds and hands.

On a more serious note, it leaves me to wonder what people should or can do for a living in the future.  So much of our basic survival needs are being provided by automation and technology.  Even the lowly farmer now has access to some rather sophisticated GPS gear to help him harvest his crops.  Our fruits and veggies are still being harvested with a lot of hand labor, but how can a gringo make a livable wage doing that? People fuss about immigrants but without their cheap labor our fruits and veggies would be out of reach price wise for many of us.

Countries such as mainland China find work for their masses by building for export, something that we seem to be at a disadvantage to do.  I assume our labor costs just won't let us compete with low cost foreign sweat shops.
But maybe we have ridden that excuse too long.  Look at Japan, who was prostate after WW II and could only make cheap toys and such for export.  In time they became a power house and it appears that their standard of living has risen many fold since then.  South Korea also comes to mind with its exports driven by cheap labor. 
Even the mighty Japan was concerned about Korean competition at one time. 

Surely the standard of living for the peons in these low cost labor countries has improved.  Granted, they may not live in mansions like Americans do and may not have two cars, but relatively speaking, they are surely better off now than just after the war. What has driven that prosperity? Our incessant purchasing of their goods is a big factor. If they didn't have a market for their output then it seems they would have massive unemployment like we have.

So what is the solution for our job market?  It appears that we need to bring some of those jobs back home.

[johnhp]

There is another downside to sending a bunch of people to college.  Where will they work when they finish school?

Bet you are glad they weren't saying things like that when they passed the GI Bill.

So much of the cirriculum in the little colleges is more like masturbation than a real working education, unless they are pursuing a technical course of study like medical services or some other useful trade.

You should really on speak about things you actually know.  A logic class would have done wonders for you.

[Pepsi]

Bet you are glad they weren't saying things like that when they passed the GI Bill.

 

[Velleity]

A logic class would have done wonders for you.

No it wouldn't. Clearly the man is speaking from his personal experience when he expresses his belief in the futility of education. He is surely ineducable and he thus can't wrap his mind around the reality that others can excel, given good training and education.

[lucy]

just interesting....

"Giving a Degree to GI's

We all know the fabled stories of the GI Bill of Rights and how it assisted returning veterans after the Second World War and the conflict in Korea. Many who never would have thought of going on to college were able to do so with support from Uncle Sam who lent a hand in other ways as well, for example, making it possible for people to buy homes as they put their military service behind them and embraced civilian life.

So how are we doing on behalf of veterans these days? Well, stories about the quality of medical care provided at Walter Reed Hospital run alongside others regarding the thousands of veterans who, upon coming home from combat, are discovering that their benefits aren’t sufficient to actually make matriculation possible.

The print and media ads and military recruiters imply that after service in the armed forces lies a higher education. Turns out that the old GI Bill, the one that our fathers and a couple of mothers received, provided funding for tuition, housing, and living costs. The Boston Globe reports that 8 million veterans took advantage of that program before it was scaled back. According to the article, today the most a veteran can receive is $9,600 a year for four years, no matter what college costs, so the GI’s better limit their plans to a community college or Harvard.

The average tuition at a public four-year school is $13,589 and the average private four-year is $32,307. Of course this is the gross, not the net. The schools have scholarship programs that will make attendance more accessible as they complement the government benefits, but still. Some people in Washington want to take a new look at the GI benefit package; others — particularly in the Defense Department — worry that if the benefits are too good, people will stay in service less time than they currently do, a problem for an all-volunteer military. Lowering the re-enlistment rate could be a serious matter.

Running parallel to this issue is that veterans are having problems getting academic credit when they reach campus for the training and education they had while in uniform. Some colleges are more accommodating than others, but one has a sense that there is no general scheme to it all. There is a consortium of institutions, known as Service Members Opportunity Colleges, with 1,800 schools committed to working with GI’s to get their degrees. While the Ivy League and others are taking a look at their financial-aid policies, they might also try to make Senator Charles E. Grassley and others happy by redoubling their efforts to serve those who have served our country. Is anybody writing speeches for Senators Clinton, Obama, and McCain reading this blog? I see an opportunity."

link  http://chronicle.com/blogPost/Giving-a-Degree-to-GIs/5791/


<Of course, we have a lot of young people graduating as it is, GI or not, who cannot find a job in their field right now...>

[Velleity]

Everyone I know who has the opportunity to avail themselves of the VA has benefited greatly from it. One has to know how to use it, and it should not be the sole source of medical care. However it's pretty damn good for certain things. I think the VA often gets a bad rap.

That said, I'm sure it can improved like anything else.

[johnhp]

No it wouldn't. Clearly the man is speaking from his personal experience when he expresses his belief in the futility of education. He is surely ineducable and he thus can't wrap his mind around the reality that others can excel, given good training and education.

When you are right you are right.

[johnhp]

<Of course, we have a lot of young people graduating as it is, GI or not, who cannot find a job in their field right now...>

And how many men returning from WW2 could find a job immediately?  Seriously, why do you think we had something like the G I Bill?  And the highway bill and bills to help soldiers buy homes?  All of those things did what?  They helped stimulate the economy.

[Velleity]

And how many men returning from WW2 could find a job immediately?  Seriously, why do you think we had something like the G I Bill?  And the highway bill and bills to help soldiers buy homes?  All of those things did what?  They helped stimulate the economy.

The highway bill had another motive, after seeing how effective the German Autoban was in facilitating war production. But you are still absolutely correct.

How much poorer would we be today without this massive spending 55 years ago? And how was it paid for? It was paid for by the people who ended up benefiting the most from it: the rich.

Of course there a many, many other examples of extremely profitable investments we made in ourselves. Fortunately our fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers ignored the likes of Ayn Rand, Maury Rothbard, and Milton Friedman and managed to push ahead despite them.

Why Lucy is so enamored with Ron Paul is beyond me.

[IM2]

NRA,

Wrong.

Your way has been shown to be incorrect. It has been tried by 3 out of the prior 4 presidencies before Obama, and each time the result was increased debt. There was a tax increase in 2003 and republicans took advantage of the anger people felt and used it to gain control. Just like they are trying to do now, they manufactured shit and beause odf democratic slumber at the polls they got a majority. Hopelfully this doesn't happen in the next election because we do not need the upcoming gridlock that will happen if republicans gain control again.

NRA, you talk about republicans saving the nation, yet when republicans were in total command they screwed this nation like no other.

[johnhp]

The highway bill had another motive, after seeing how effective the German Autoban was in facilitating war production.

Not to mention troop mobilization.

How much poorer would we be today without this massive spending 55 years ago? And how was it paid for? It was paid for by the people who ended up benefiting the most from it: the rich.

You mean in terms of the availability of goods and services and the transportability of specialized labor?  Much.

Why Lucy is so enamored with Ron Paul is beyond me.

Belief in a golden age.

[nraforlife]

NRA,

Wrong.

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Nope a simple statement of Reality-

"Probably not as we already have twice  as many people attending 'university' as are capable of absorbing a truly rigorous post high school education. "


A person with an IQ below 110 is simply not capable of absorbing a true university education. Sooooooo why even bother with the glorified trade schools which ALL community colleges are and a majority of state U. departments also. Teach the trades from ages 16 to 18 at the high schools.

[IM2]

NRA,

You and reality got divoced at approximately the time you started believng in white supremacy.

[nraforlife]

NRA,

You and reality got divoced at approximately the time you started believng in white supremacy.

If you wish to call the simple Reality that negro median IQ is 85 and that White median IQ is 103 'believing in white supremacy' be my guest foolish uncle. Reality is that government intervention aside most negroes will ALWAYS do poorly compared to Whites or East Asians in any modern economy. That is the dictate of biology.